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Ebola virus patients are being transported from west Africa to Atlanta

Again a case of way too much media stirring everyone up. The CDC has stuff I their basement that makes this Ebola strain look like a common cold. If we can get those guys here under our control we can hopefully develop a vaccine. Or knowing Washington will weaponize it and store with the other insane bugs we have on ice in Atlanta
 

Conspiracy websites will make you stupid.

Seriously, if there was evidence than Ebola had mutated into an airborne version, this would be such a major development that the entire scientific (and security) community would be talking about it....loudly. Unless of course, they're all part of an international conspiracy! AHHH!!!!
 
Conspiracy websites will make you stupid.

Seriously, if there was evidence than Ebola had mutated into an airborne version, this would be such a major development that the entire scientific (and security) community would be talking about it....loudly. Unless of course, they're all part of an international conspiracy! AHHH!!!!


Conspiracy website, because it's not Fox/CNN news that reported on this study that did occur. Yeah go back to drinking the kool aid. Everyone is so quick to dismiss non mainstream news. Do you think the news/government would tell you something if it would collapse everything of how we knew it and sent us back to the stone age. Not saying this is one of them, but just because it's not reported by MSM doesn't make it false information.


Also sodium fluoride is great for the teeth.....oh and has just been declared a neurotoxin also. Trust your government. Just sayin

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/05/21/fluoride-health-hazards.aspx
 
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Dog town, you have no way of certainty in any case especially this one. We live in simple uncertainty with everything in this world. I don't drink koolaid and I don't wear a tin foil hat. It's always prudent to be a prepared and informed individual and since we don't know for.....certain. I think yielding to the side of extreme caution in this matter is simply wise. No ones yelling fire in a theatre here.
 
We have seen the effect of flouride. We have higher birth defect, higher neurological diseases, more people with lowered IQ's. And all since the 70's when they started this whole "it's great for your teeth" campaign. Also the Germans used it in WW2 to create a domicile population in the prison camps. And one last great fact...it's the number 1 ingredient in rat poison.
 
See that's the problem though - too many people who aren't informed spreading bad information. That's precisely one of the problems with west Africa and why it's been spreading there: people spreading bad information (among many other things). Here it just gets sensationalized in the news, partially for headlines sake and partially because the media tends to be pretty scientifically illiterate as well. This gets scooped up by an equally scientifically illiterate populace and the conspiracy folks who're oblivious to our natural cognitive biases and raise the alarm on high without any evidence to back up their claims.

I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people here in anti-science/anti-govt land, but I'm going to trust the experts who research this shit every day instead of Alex Jones and people with zero credibility on the subject. And continuing to spread misinformation is just fucking wrong, but being a conspiracy theorist means you never have to admit when you're wrong.
 
See that's the problem though - too many people who aren't informed spreading bad information. That's precisely one of the problems with west Africa and why it's been spreading there: people spreading bad information (among many other things). Here it just gets sensationalized in the news, partially for headlines sake and partially because the media tends to be pretty scientifically illiterate as well. This gets scooped up by an equally scientifically illiterate populace and the conspiracy folks who're oblivious to our natural cognitive biases and raise the alarm on high without any evidence to back up their claims.

I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people here in anti-science/anti-govt land, but I'm going to trust the experts who research this shit every day instead of Alex Jones and people with zero credibility on the subject. And continuing to spread misinformation is just fucking wrong, but being a conspiracy theorist means you never have to admit when you're wrong.


Not a conspiracy theorist....just not waiting for the government to tell me the sky is falling.
 
I don't trust anything that comes from any kind of news source, reputable or mainstream or not. Unfortunately everyone has an agenda, and they can claim that they are fair, balanced and un-biased, but if they do I'll stand up and call them liars. If that puts me in with the ranks of conspiracy theorists then so be it, I've just never been given good reason (lately) to believe a word anyone says. I'll do what research I can and look to the experts not throwing their name at every news source in the country to form my own conclusion. Anyone who feels that the media is keeping us fully informed and not hiding anything needs to have their heads examined.
 
World wide pandemic, Agenda 21, depopulation, FEMA camps. What did I miss?

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I think these dr's were here days before this photo op happened. In there minds they knew there was no way to get them in without the media finding out. So why not do it in plain sight. I doubt the Dr' s are in Atlanta. They are probably some where like plumb island. And they were probably transported by the military under very high security. The potential danger here is probably more dangerious than a nuke. If this does reach our shores it won't be from Mexico. It will be on a plain from Africa or Europe by some one traveling under all the proper guidelines. I seriously doubt that any of these people in Africa have the funds to travel to Mexico and than sneak across the border. How much do you think that would cost. That's probably the stupidest thing that I have ever herd.

My fear is oblivious travelers going on safari or other adventures. And than thinking I'm I feel a little sick I'm going home early. That's where this problem will arise AIDS did not sneak across the Mexican border neither will Ebola

Because you clearly have no idea who or what is coming over the border, and neither do our authorities, you may be wrong. Read this, it is an accounting of what is coming across the border, and that's only the ones we caught and therefore know about:
Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe
 
I work in intensive care units as an rn.

I can only assume that the cdc feels it is a good opertunity to bring in these two sick individuals in hopes of research and a possible cure. I would hope the cdc feels like they have a pretty good handle on the situation before attempting it.


However, why the hell are you going to fly in the f-=-ng plague into a major metro area on a continent which this plague has never been to?

I'm sure that flying these mf ers was ok'd all the way up the chain of command through the president, and i believe everyone who ok'd it should be shot in the balls, then the next day executed.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for the study and implementation of care for the sick, but don't bring some f'd up super virulent pathogen 90 miles from my house when it naturally occurs across the fn ocean.

Lastly If you're a volunteer do gooder and go out side of the border to help what ever the latest greatest super cause is , and you become ill, killed, kidnapped, raped, whatever, thats really too bad, and i'm sorry, but you asked for. On the contrary there are many many good causes here for the volunteer to engage in and if any of the above happened i'd be all for getting them the help they needed.

It would have been better to take the research/care team to africa, however the above would still apply for the out of bounds do gooder.

I would have hoped for a publicity stunt the rescue plane would have picked up the patients and then crashed, possibly in the Ukraine. (joke)


I agree with a lot of what you said as well...being an ICU RN in the dc-metro area, I've had the fun in playing around with some nasty shit...especially when I worked at Walter Reed...keep that shit in it's home country and send research teams and equipment to treat it there! Furthermore if you want to find a place to do some good...you know who you bleeding hearts are...you don't have to fly 4k miles from home...try you're local shit hole part of town or pretty much anywhere in Baltimore. Time to take care of our own for a change!
 
We should be more concerned about containing the disease abroad than having 2 people transported through the highest levels of security. All it takes is 1 to slip through the cracks undetected and as the disease spreads abroad the greater the risk for us.
 
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Because you clearly have no idea who or what is coming over the border, and neither do our authorities, you may be wrong. Read this, it is an accounting of what is coming across the border, and that's only the ones we caught and therefore know about:
Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe


lets just say that some one in one of these dirt poor countys in africa was able to scrape together enough money to make the jorny to mexico and than across to the U.S. First how long do you think that journy would take? Do you think that they would even be well enough to make the entire journy? even if they were infected hours before the left africa.. I'm simply saying it is way more likely and belevable that it will make it here by some one who can come and go with relitive ease not by some one who has to take a pilgramige that will take them 2 to 4 weeks most likely they will be dead or to sick to move by the time they reach mexico.

im not saying its impossable im just saying its less likely.
 
not a good move bringing them back, who the hell did the risk assessment here? CDC might inadvertently release a country killing germ on us, I just don't trust these docs, you know, the ones who got infected in the first place, same group.
 
Love how people quote part of your statement. Do the research and stop listening to what they say is good for you.
 
This is exactly how I would transport one of the most deadly virus infected people ever....yep I would stop at traffic lights and have no police escort. I would also make sure to break every protocol of every medical transport company out there and let the "patient" who's been infected with one of the deadliest viruses ever and into his second week with it and should be bleeding out and turning to jelly internally, walk out of an ambulance across the fucking ground and into the hospital under their own power? Any one buying this and need a bitch slap?

Breaking News : American Ebola Patient arrives at Emory University in Atlanta Georgia (Aug 02, 2014) - YouTube

OMG!!!! They just smuggled our next African POTUS into the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Now, seriously, I get sick every time I fly commercial. Airplanes spread more germs than any thing else in the world. Hundreds of thousands of people from all walks of life and most all countries fly every day. Illegals bring God knows what here every night. So, if they really brought a guy with Ebola to ATL then it ain't the end of the world. As already noted there is a lot of methyl-ethel bad shit already stored in gym lockers at the CDC.
 
Being that Ebola is now in the ATL has anyone considered what would happen if an Ebola/KFC hybrid was created?? Could this be the end of the FSA?
 
Say a certain terrorist from a certain group decided it would be a good idea to infect himself, then double timed it to Mexico and across the border; what could we do?
 
lets just say that some one in one of these dirt poor countys in africa was able to scrape together enough money to make the jorny to mexico and than across to the U.S. First how long do you think that journy would take? Do you think that they would even be well enough to make the entire journy? even if they were infected hours before the left africa.. I'm simply saying it is way more likely and belevable that it will make it here by some one who can come and go with relitive ease not by some one who has to take a pilgramige that will take them 2 to 4 weeks most likely they will be dead or to sick to move by the time they reach mexico.

im not saying its impossable im just saying its less likely.

And what I am saying, since you didn't follow the link, is that not only is it likely it has already happened hundreds of times a year. The link was to a list of captured illegals by nationality, and yes west African countries are on the list. As far as whether Ebola can get in I agree that it is easier for a tourist to carry it in, but we have controls for that. We can screen those people, and if one of them turns out to be a carrier we know when and where they came in etc etc. We know next to nothing about who or what enters our southern border, which is a travesty 13 years after 9/11.
 
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Don't worry gents, Jessie is on it, look for a comeback show on "conspiracy theories".
 
We have arsenals of weaponized pathogens than can eradicate humankind and strains of flu/TB that have been taken to their extremes in search of better understanding of the diseases and we're supposed to lose our shit over a couple of people under extreme quarantine?!?

As usual, KYP has it right, it's the people we don't know about that we ought to be worried about. As far as leaving Americans behind or calling them 'do-gooders' and worthless as a result - yeah, right. You'd be saying 'Murica! if they were Army medics or such. I'm glad they're being brought back, I hope their care and quarantine isn't messed up.
 
See that's the problem though - too many people who aren't informed spreading bad information. That's precisely one of the problems with west Africa and why it's been spreading there: people spreading bad information (among many other things). Here it just gets sensationalized in the news, partially for headlines sake and partially because the media tends to be pretty scientifically illiterate as well. This gets scooped up by an equally scientifically illiterate populace and the conspiracy folks who're oblivious to our natural cognitive biases and raise the alarm on high without any evidence to back up their claims.

I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people here in anti-science/anti-govt land, but I'm going to trust the experts who research this shit every day instead of Alex Jones and people with zero credibility on the subject. And continuing to spread misinformation is just fucking wrong, but being a conspiracy theorist means you never have to admit when you're wrong.

Conspiracies are kind of self full filling. I mean how do you prove its not true? See you can't must be true LOL. And when the conspiracy never happens they just say, see once we brought it into the open they stopped. LOL

We have arsenals of weaponized pathogens than can eradicate humankind and strains of flu/TB that have been taken to their extremes in search of better understanding of the diseases and we're supposed to lose our shit over a couple of people under extreme quarantine?!?

As usual, KYP has it right, it's the people we don't know about that we ought to be worried about. As far as leaving Americans behind or calling them 'do-gooders' and worthless as a result - yeah, right. You'd be saying 'Murica! if they were Army medics or such. I'm glad they're being brought back, I hope their care and quarantine isn't messed up.

Your right they are our people and good ones at that. I grew up during a time when Americans stood up for each other, and looked out for each other. Now we have become a people who eat their own.
 
We have arsenals of weaponized pathogens than can eradicate humankind and strains of flu/TB that have been taken to their extremes in search of better understanding of the diseases and we're supposed to lose our shit over a couple of people under extreme quarantine?!?

As usual, KYP has it right, it's the people we don't know about that we ought to be worried about. As far as leaving Americans behind or calling them 'do-gooders' and worthless as a result - yeah, right. You'd be saying 'Murica! if they were Army medics or such. I'm glad they're being brought back, I hope their care and quarantine isn't messed up.


yet there's no known cure or at least one they want to advertise for the masses....hmmm
 
No, conspiracies are a tool to demonize, marginalize and obfuscate matters so that anyone questioning party line can be ridiculed, mocked and dismissed as crazy. They are useful tool to discredit any legitimate question and/or inconsistency in official story. On top of that it also serves feeble minded and those lacking broader view as a escape valve to be able to survive their own inadequacy which they constantly feel living in a world too complex for them to grasp and process (basically a mechanism of simplification, 1/0, black/white, crazies/not crazies).
 
Agreed here on many levels, but several problems are entailed with "first-rate care".

By which I meant a comfortable bed, A/C, and fluids. The first few/few dozen cases will receive such care, but by the time we're stacking bodies in the hallway like cordwood, it'll be no different than any third world pandemic, with people dying in the streets and huge numbers infected and infecting others.
I still say bringing infected people here, especially to a nice warm humid area, may yet be a colossal mistake.


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Meanwhile, another infected doctor has simply hopped a plane and flown himself home, and is just waiting to see if he gets better or dies. Great containment procedure. U.S. doctor isolates himself at home - CNN.com Video

He's not infected.

CNN said:
Jamison, 69, said he's had no symptoms of the deadly virus, but has been in seclusion since he returned to his hometown of Morristown, Tennessee.

He plans to be in isolation for 21 days, which is the incubation period for the disease -- or the time between infection and onset of symptoms.

"My last encounter with a patient who had Ebola was on July 19," he said. "I contacted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on my arrival ... and informed them I had been in West Africa and my history."

The father of three said his daughter picked him up from the airport and dropped him at home, where he's quarantined himself and has had no contact with anyone since.

"I'm feeling normal and doing the typical things a person would do in their home," he said. " I have my family who can bring me food if I need anything, and they would not enter the house. They can leave items outside the home."

Ebola spreads through contact with organs and bodily fluids such as blood, saliva, urine and other secretions of infected people.

Patients are only contagious when they show symptoms, not during the incubation period, according to the World Health Organization.

"I was not concerned that I was contagious when I left Africa, and not concerned at this time because I have no symptoms of the disease," Jamison said.
 
Thats good news if true that would make this and all viruses alike vastly less dangerous as long as production of "top secret medicine" is not too complex to make a stash of it.
 
He's not infected.

you assume.....you don't know shit any more then the 6 oclock news. if he is not infected that is excellent but it doesnt supercede the fact that he easily could be or have been when he flew home. thankfully the good of common man is held in a high regard with him.
 
Im very concerned, as it makes zero sense. There is no cure and they are risking infecting an entire continent for nothing. And for those that will say its been here already, yea its been here in vials, not in person, and The CDC doesnt have the best track record either. Its a cluster fuck from the word go and makes you wonder about all the conspiracy theory stuff thats been discussed.

It has been here already in infectious vectors. Pigs, monkeys, intentionally infected to study the disease. With USAMRIID and CDC.

There is no cure, but there is better supportive care here. The obscene mortality rates this strain delivers are quite possibly due to lack of the best supportive care.

Let us not forget that it was only by pure chance that in 1989 the Reston Virus turned out not to be the Mayinga strain of Ebola.
 
I work in intensive care units as an rn.

Thank you for the job you do. I have several dear friends who are nurses in emergency medicine. They don't get nearly the praise they deserve.
 
There's nothing they can do for them to treat them at this late stage. this thing has changed, adapted or morphed I think. They are bringing them back here to sequence the virus strain and find out what has happened. That's my .02

You don't need a whole, or even live, patient for that.
 
Airborne rabies...now that would be something like a zombie apocalypse come true! Living out in the country I've come across rabid animals a few times and have always been thankful it is not as difficult to transmit as something like the flu.
 
this has nothing to do with humanity.... it has to do with the CDC and military trying to break the code on ebola and develop the next generation germ warfare weapon. my beliefs do not require you to believe.

No, but they certainly do require a heap of ignorance.
 
Since when is Ebola airborne?

Leeeets take a step back here.

The Kikwit strain of Mayinga Ebola has never been proven to be truly airborne. I have the Nature paper in front of me.

Abstract:

"Ebola viruses (EBOV) cause often fatal hemorrhagic fever in several species of simian primates including human. While fruit bats are considered natural reservoir, involvement of other species in EBOV transmission is unclear. In 2009, Reston-EBOV was the first EBOV detected in swine with indicated transmission to humans. In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. Interestingly, transmission between macaques in similar housing conditions was never observed. Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected. Infectious virus was detected in oro-nasal swabs of piglets, and in blood, swabs, and tissues of macaques. This is the first report of experimental interspecies virus transmission, with the macaques also used as a human surrogate. Our finding may influence prevention and control measures during EBOV outbreaks."

And an important take home message:

"The design and size of the animal cubicle did not allow to distinguish whether the trans- mission was by aerosol, small or large droplets in the air, or droplets created during floor cleaning which landed inside the NHP cages (fomites). The husbandry flow during the sampling days was: clean- ing, followed by sampling, then feeding, with staff changing dispos- able outer gloves between procedures and animals. Pigs and NHPs were sampled on alternative days except for day 3 post infection, when NHPs were sampled in the morning and the piglets in the afternoon."

Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

doi:10.1038/srep00811
 
It has been here already in infectious vectors. Pigs, monkeys, intentionally infected to study the disease. With USAMRIID and CDC.

There is no cure, but there is better supportive care here. The obscene mortality rates this strain delivers are quite possibly due to lack of the best supportive care.

Let us not forget that it was only by pure chance that in 1989 the Reston Virus turned out not to be the Mayinga strain of Ebola.

Thank you for bringing that up. The Reston incident was one of those very near misses, and revealed yet another previously undocumented strain of Ebola (now known as Ebola Reston). Here's a brief synopsis of the incident for anyone who's interested:

Internet Scientific Publications
 
Others already mentioned this now the propaganda organ is putting it out

Secret serum likely saved Ebola patient

So how does the administration explain to all the African leaders in DC for "the greatest summit since Earth Day 1970" that the health of their continent wasnt worth this drug but two Americans get saved most ricky tick?

Aren't we all "little jesus's"?

PS- If the good Dr is still breathing, not a puddle of fluid, in one week Ill believe it.
 
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If the reporting of this "miracle drug cure" turns out to be true I expect Kanye West will be reprising his famous quote about "Which POTUS doesnt like Whom".

Ill not hold my breath to hear that though we have domestic employment numbers, embracing cheaper labor at economic peril to that group and standing by watching a plague take hold in Africa that indicate that just may be the case.

So much for compassion.
 
Gadzukes and forsooth; a foresworn utterance of the 'B' word!

Must I stand offended and eject the abominable politics flag?

(Just kidding...)
 
It will still be bush's fault. ;)


Phone - RINNGGGG! RINNNNGGGG!

POS - Hello His Excellency

GWB - Hey Barry I forgot to mention. Look in the lower left drawer of the desk. In the way back you will find a bottle of pills. Its the Ebola serum. Figured you may want to use the drug we developed rather than have to go down and perform a laying of the hands on cure. I know your busy fund raising.

POS - Thanks. You know Ill blame you for hiding this and claim that you invented Ebola.

GWB - Thats okay, no problem, I still dont suck as bad as that guy running Congress.

Phone - click!