Isn't that what's referred to as the "trickle down effect" 
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Even more plausible is a completely automated restaurant.
California's wage law could pave the way for $18 Big Macs
Working Lunch: A McDonald's in Connecticut is already charging that much for a combo featuring the signature sandwich. Might that become thewww.restaurantbusinessonline.com
Bring it.
I tried my first Kiosk in a McDonalds in France in 2016 while on a motorcycle trip. Was at Cherbourg Port as I was taking ferry to England and wanted something fast. Never touched a Kiosk before. It was so intuitive that I had my order placed faster than standing in line and dealing with some zit-faced slacker at a USA Mickey-dee's. I got a slip. Took a table. And about 3 minutes later a lovely, smiling young French girl placed my tray in front of me with a "Bonjour!" Everything was cooked perfect... order was perfect.
Now I understand that the robots will be doing most of the food cooking. Which means that, unlike the other day when I chanced a Bacon Egg and Cheese Biscuit while on the road... It won't come basically cold. Uncooked. Nasty.
So bring on the robots! And maybe the little retards who lose their jobs will realize that the screaming blue-hair Bernie Socialists ruined any chance they had of getting an entry level job, learning some skills, getting a valuable resume entry, making some spending money in High School, etc.
Bring on the Robots. Let the incompetent and lazy starve. Fuck them. Their socialism will be great for them until other people's money runs out. Then... they can starve. While drinking $9 lattes and having $1,000 phones with $200 a month data plans...
Sirhr
Be careful about wishing the whole starving thing on others.
History says it never ever turns out the way you think it will.
There is pretty much only 2 political parties for all of history.
1. Those who are currently in charge and want to stay in charge.
2. Those who are currently not in charge and want to be in charge.
Starving people or desperate people, or those with nothing or no hope (deserved or not) are what gives a lot of power to those who want to be in charge.
Usually if they harness that power successfully, their first act is to be seen to send Uniform Hangers to go "redistribute" things in some fashion to appease the masses. And it's not their stuff or their buddies' stuff that they will be handing out.
It's pretty much how the Democrats, who were the party dedicated to slavery, dedicated to racial oppression have managed to convince all the people they hated to be their loyal supporters. Promising to take from others and give.
First they legislate you out of a job and then they legistate you back into one. The law maker is the case and solution to the problem. Kind of like drug dealers.
McDonald's has plans for 10k more "restaurants" by 2027 across the globe utilizing automation and AI. They can't staff them as it is so there's no choice but to go automated. Several fast food places offer $18 to start and still can't get help.
No, this Bidenomics.Isn't that what's referred to as the "trickle down effect"
Door dash is literally the reason the positions were eliminated. The title is just click bait. Most of those places are already paying over minimum wage. There is diffrent insurance and other stuff when you have delivery drivers. Door dash turning them back into contract workers is a step back but it's going to save places that eliminated their own delivery services money. So really minimum wage has nothing to do with it. But don't tell the economists in the room that.
so door dash *isn't* going to have to pay the $20/hr?Door dash is literally the reason the positions were eliminated. The title is just click bait. Most of those places are already paying over minimum wage. There is diffrent insurance and other stuff when you have delivery drivers. Door dash turning them back into contract workers is a step back but it's going to save places that eliminated their own delivery services money. So really minimum wage has nothing to do with it. But don't tell the economists in the room that.
Costs go up. Prices go up to make margin to stay in business.
If door dash is going to have to absorb the costs of the new delivery drivers, it's costs are going to go up too. Get ready for drone deliveries ala Ready Player One
M
No door dash does not pay an hourly wage. Door dash people are contract workers. Which is something pizza restaurants had already tried to do. Declare delivery drivers as contract workers. The labor department made that very difficult if not impossible with their rules.
No minimum wage is not driving inflation. Minimum wage is not driving the higher price of goods or the increase in the prices of things.
Um kay. How exactly are rising costs not driving the price of goods up?
Do me a favor and use small words in your explanation cause some of us aren't real bright
M
Umm kay. Not sure I can say it much simpler but I will try.
Minimum wage increase is not the driving factor in inflation or the increased cost of goods. Its just something for the monkeys to hoot at.
That was a statement and a simple one to understand and think out for yourself. If you were actually trying.
1.5-1.9% of workers make minimum wage or less. Less than 2 out of 100. Its kind of like when you get some retarded cyclists in the middle of a 2 lane they slow it up right, they drastically change the average speed. If you have 100 lanes and only two cyclists to block lanes, they dont have much effect. Especially when we're firing rockets and laser beams and drag cars down a few lanes and averaging in their speed too.
Printing trillions, flooding the borders, laundering money through multiple wars, bailing out China while also letting them commit economic sabotage against us, killing domestic oil and gas, draining social security, letting our power infrastructure crumble while funneling money to green energy scams, deliberate inflation of property value. Its those three slow guys on the 200 lane highway. Since we can't have 1.5 cyclists blocking lanes.
That's an explanation. 1.5% sounds a lot better than 1.1 million. Especially to those businesses that have to pay those workers. ...which drives up costs. Which drives up prices. Which leads to loss of jobs as in the OP
You're arguing something different than I am. You're arguing inflation. I'm pointing out that increased costs to businesses have consequences that the ideologically minded refuse to see. Course, loss of jobs ultimately costs all of us, even if it's 'only' 1.5% of the workforce.
Where are those 1.1 million people going to find work? Where are they going to get experience to move up in the wage ladder? What's next? Universal basic income? That's going to cost us a shit ton in both short and long term. Watch and see
M
Except increased minimum wage did not eliminate those jobs. I am not arguing anything. I am pointing out click bait and obvious blame shifting tactics. The increase in minimum wage is nothing compared to everything else increasing the price of doing business. But it gets the upper middle class hooting at the lower middle class.
1.5 percent is 1.5 percent. 1.5 out 100 is exactly the same 1.5 million out of 100 million. You can argue what ever you want. The math is the math. What's a cart of groceries now. About 250 for what 100 bought 3 years ago? But business is suffering right?
Corporate profits by quarter U.S. 2023 | Statista
Corporate profits in the United States exceeded three trillion dollars for the first time in the second quarter of 2022, but shrank slightly in the next quarter
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I agree that wage increase is not inflation but it is an increase in the cost of a service.
So, I once surmised that the word socialist and economist are oxymoronic when placed together. When I was a younger man full of hope and, dare I say, braggadocio, I thought I could teach a socialist how to understand math. The harsh rocks of reality of splintered that image of myself. Because it is one of the documentable impossibilities in the known universe for a socialist to be able to understand even the most basic of math.
1 + 1 = 2. A > B. This is beyond the ability of the socialists and communists among us and I am not exaggerating.
So, you cannot pay someone $20/hr and only sell for a fraction of that. Your business goes out of business because the outflow in resources through payroll would be greater than the income.
So, I once surmised that the word socialist and economist are oxymoronic when placed together. When I was a younger man full of hope and, dare I say, braggadocio, I thought I could teach a socialist how to understand math. The harsh rocks of reality of splintered that image of myself. Because it is one of the documentable impossibilities in the known universe for a socialist to be able to understand even the most basic of math.
1 + 1 = 2. A > B. This is beyond the ability of the socialists and communists among us and I am not exaggerating.
So, you cannot pay someone $20/hr and only sell for a fraction of that. Your business goes out of business because the outflow in resources through payroll would be greater than the income.
Wrong.
Taco Bell is one of the best laxatives ever invented. Get clogged up, eat a couple chicken chipotle burritos. For $4 I can completely clear myself and clear out a room.
At least I can trust that my order wouldn't get crapped on or spitted on because I am white redneck!
I stopped going to that crap hole as I watched the idiot picked stuff back up off the floor and put back into the container.
When I was younger I worked at Applebee's on fry side. I've seen dropped steaks get put back on the grill, cleaning solution end up in food (it was served), people spitting in food, putting hairs in food, using dirty dishes etc.
It was an eye opening experience.
Watch the movie “Waiting.”
Fucking hilarious and even though fictional, it will definitely make you think twice about eating out.
Fucking hilarious and even though fictional, it will definitely make you think twice about eating out.
Apparently you haven't seen the FUSSR or China...
They make Love Canal look like a nature preserve....
Sirhr
I would suggest you haven't gotten around the world very much.
Your statement "especially American's" (I assume you just mixed up your punctuation) is pretty ignorant.
You obviously haven't traveled around Asia, Africa or South America if you think Americans are bad when it comes to cleanliness.
Profits are up because the government is literally dropping helicopter me money over all of America. $34T in debt now. Mostly to buy voters and cover up their corruption and money laundering grifts. How the fuck is every politician and their family members now all suddenly multi-multi millionaires?Except increased minimum wage did not eliminate those jobs. I am not arguing anything. I am pointing out click bait and obvious blame shifting tactics. The increase in minimum wage is nothing compared to everything else increasing the price of doing business. But it gets the upper middle class hooting at the lower middle class.
1.5 percent is 1.5 percent. 1.5 out 100 is exactly the same 1.5 million out of 100 million. You can argue what ever you want. The math is the math. What's a cart of groceries now. About 250 for what 100 bought 3 years ago? But business is suffering right?
Corporate profits by quarter U.S. 2023 | Statista
Corporate profits in the United States exceeded three trillion dollars for the first time in the second quarter of 2022, but shrank slightly in the next quarter
Go Ukraine! Hunter needs more hookers.
There used to be a t-shirt of the ilk
"Stop bothering me or I will replace you with a very small shell script"
And yea it came to pass.
Taking orders and delivering pizzas ain't AI level (ok maybe delivering pizzas via robot...).
"Stop bothering me or I will replace you with a very small shell script"
And yea it came to pass.
Taking orders and delivering pizzas ain't AI level (ok maybe delivering pizzas via robot...).
Although I never traveled to other countries but all the dam stories I heard will make you want to not eat at all. So true especially muslims world.
They plan to use AI Robots so that is already preprogramed into the system , the robots will be able to detect what you are.At least I can trust that my order wouldn't get crapped on or spitted on because I am white redneck!
Nah, no we won't. Not until we have nothing left to lose, and by then, we'll have not much to fight back with.
Until then...ASGH....unfortunately.
We're just too soft as a nation.
Branden
I think the cashless society is more about control than anything. They're going to say it's to fight crime and terrorism, but in the end, it's about control. Make a post on facebook, Instagram, or just a text to a friend that they don't like, sorry, you don't have access to your funds for a bit, until we think you've learned your lesson. They can hold your money hostage to socially engineer you. They can create localized upheaval in order to get widespread support for strict military, or police controlling of a area to bring peace. Look how people react when the EBT system goes down for a few hours. They can declare a health emergency, and mandate an experimental drug, and if you don't get it, your account is locked. It's a bit tinfoil hat, but the last couple of years have the tinfoil hat wearers looking more like fortune tellers anymore.
Branden
I believe that Canadian POS of a PM named Trudy did just that with with everyone money when the trucker strike was happenening during the coof fraud.
German chancellor admitted this was the goal when banning cash transactions over $1000eur
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biteffect.net I was led an automation initiative at major US manufacturer - cannot hire people to work. I visited multiple industry leaders in Europe and Brazil that had modern manufacturing sites with extensive automation. They are forced by government regulations to hire people they no longer need. We will call it Universal Basic Income
Exactly... Wait for the sales propaganda to kick in.
"Never touched by human hands".
Of course, that will cost a little more.
16 Tons
… You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
All right. What DID eliminate those jobs then? You know... the ones that the businesses are saying were eliminated BECAUSE of that $20/hr wage.Except increased minimum wage did not eliminate those jobs. I am not arguing anything. I am pointing out click bait and obvious blame shifting tactics. The increase in minimum wage is nothing compared to everything else increasing the price of doing business. But it gets the upper middle class hooting at the lower middle class.
1.5 percent is 1.5 percent. 1.5 out 100 is exactly the same 1.5 million out of 100 million. You can argue what ever you want. The math is the math. What's a cart of groceries now. About 250 for what 100 bought 3 years ago? But business is suffering right?
Corporate profits by quarter U.S. 2023 | Statista
Corporate profits in the United States exceeded three trillion dollars for the first time in the second quarter of 2022, but shrank slightly in the next quarter
M
Well, half the population thinks we should be more European.
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It’s more complicated than that explanation. Both @mikeshaw2 and you are correct…but just like everything in economics it’s not the whole story.Except increased minimum wage did not eliminate those jobs. I am not arguing anything. I am pointing out click bait and obvious blame shifting tactics. The increase in minimum wage is nothing compared to everything else increasing the price of doing business. But it gets the upper middle class hooting at the lower middle class.
1.5 percent is 1.5 percent. 1.5 out 100 is exactly the same 1.5 million out of 100 million. You can argue what ever you want. The math is the math. What's a cart of groceries now. About 250 for what 100 bought 3 years ago? But business is suffering right?
Corporate profits by quarter U.S. 2023 | Statista
Corporate profits in the United States exceeded three trillion dollars for the first time in the second quarter of 2022, but shrank slightly in the next quarter
Any manipulation to wages doesn’t directly impact ie shift labor supply curve…just movement along the curve.
A great example corndog brought up is increase to $20 will only effect a million people that currently work for minimum wage. Which at face value is correct.
What he didn’t mention is the people that will now enter the labor market for 20 vs 10 or 15. Plus the competition in other industries that were paying 20/hr will now have to pay 25-30/hr because of the labor pool shifting to jobs with less stress/responsibilities etc. So by increasing minimum wage for a million or so jobs it actually increases wages for millions more through the trickle up effect. Which intended or not drives up the cost of goods and further weakens buying power.
And whose buying power is weakened the most? The “minimum “ wage earner based off percentage of disposable income. And with the higher wages and cost of living when a minimum wage earner loses that job it has devastating effects.
So when in reality the law forced upon employers is ment to help a million people out…actually ripple effect hurts the very people “they”are trying to help.
There shouldn’t be a minimum wage. Period.
