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Coastal bermuda uses about 250# / ac N. worms don't shit that much.

There are plenty of guys using legumes to sequester enough N to grow corn with higher yields than tilled fertilized fields. The videos posted are a wealth of information, not to mention there are many more like them. All these made up cants make me laugh.
 
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Fertilizer, N is huge in production farming but so is herbicide. I would have a terrible time without Gramoxone, Glyphosate, species selective herbicide and insecticide. Without any of this stuff you'll be subsistence and not production farming.

Except there are people who do production farming with out any of that stuff. Just because you don't know how doesn't mean t can't be done. And there are people who don't till and use herbicide and insecticides. No till and no chemicals are not one in the same.
 
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Coastal bermuda uses about 250# / ac N. worms don't shit that much.
Birds do

Fertilizer, N is huge in production farming but so is herbicide. I would have a terrible time without Gramoxone, Glyphosate, species selective herbicide and insecticide. Without any of this stuff you'll be subsistence and not production farming.
And who owns and makes a lot of those chemicals now?
 
Lol. You talk like all the others. Talk talk talk. No do

And yeah it’s a lot different in a field paying market rent or mortgage and farming for profit versus a backyard.

Let’s hear your solution for slugs.


You don’t know what you don’t know. Your not alone though.

There is no natural fast solution for an infestation. You have to take measures. Infestations happen when all natural controls for a creature are gone. Slugs are to a huge problem here, they were more of a problem when i tilled every year. After two years of not tilling I couldn't find a slug. After 4 years I stopped having to spray grasshoppers.

I said the soil is the same. Getting off the expensive inputs gets farmers off farm welfare.

It used to be I thought you couldn't do what I do in a backyard garden in a field. I now grow my garden like they cover crop and no till on large fields, as they say it seams to scale just fine. Its a lot easier to crimp down winter cover crops, than to spread compost and haul inputs to make compost, which would be nearly impossible on an industrial scale.

ITs funny I say no till and everyone jumps to no chemical inputs, lets me know 100% for sure its people who didn't watch any of the videos. There are guys in the videos that have no tilled for years, and would be offended if you called them "organic."
 
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So we have a bermudagrass field drilled with winterpeas, clover or other. Zap w/ 2,4D in spring and that's going to replace all the N that gets taken off in 5 cuttings? With similar crude protein to a field that gets N after each cutting?
 
Birds do


And who owns and makes a lot of those chemicals now?
Well I've got a ton of birds shitting every year in a millet field and I'm still having to fertilize every planting. My birds suck.
 
My suppliers birds are awesome

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Yeah we use a lot of chicken litter. It's too hot to be used entirely. It also rarely matches the soil sample analysis and is just a base fertilizer. Also no till most everything. Still have to burn down a place before no till. Try and farm here without herbicide.....good luck. I am sure you'll have some backwards way to tell I'm stupid though and farmers everywhere that no how are totally organic and feeding everyone so carry on.
 
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Not likely, you would need a legume that sequesters more N than winter peas. Also you can't go off fertilizer cold turkey and expect not to loose yields. Most guys no tilling and cover cropping are having to use fertilizer for the first few years still. Some guys continue, and some find they don't need once they have reestablished the life and organic matter they were loosing from tilling.

A very popular cover mix is something like winter rye, hairy vetch, winter pears, crimson clover, and some type of radish. getting away from the monoculture is important for pest control, soil aggregation, and simply getting roots deeper. I like to think of last years root column of buckets that hold water. They also wok as some what of a highway for roots to follow as they grow. Roots don't like to push through dirt. They like to travel through the air space in soil. Tilling removes this air space.

Most of your predator species breed slower than pest species, and like to live on different plants than pest species. Its takes a few years for these guys to recover. So generally , the option is loose crops for a couple years or keep spraying insecticides. IPM will keep pests at bay, and reduce the spraying needed, and the impact from the spraying. Many, many solutions out there to problems. Don't think because i have seen another way i am calling anyone a bad farmer. But what i talk about is the solution to feeding a larger population without degrading farm ground. Guys like Gabe Brown, who has many videos also, are growing crops as well as building top soil rather than loosing it. That is a sustainable farming practice. But it also forces hime to change the way he does some things.

So we have a bermudagrass field drilled with winterpeas, clover or other. Zap w/ 2,4D in spring and that's going to replace all the N that gets taken off in 5 cuttings? With similar crude protein to a field that gets N after each cutting?
 
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Yeah we use a lot of chicken litter. It's too hot to be used entirely. It also rarely matches the soil sample analysis and is just a base fertilizer. Also no till most everything. Still have to burn down a place before no till. Try and farm here without herbicide.....good luck. I am sure you'll have some backwards way to tell I'm stupid though and farmers everywhere that no how are totally organic and feeding everyone so carry on.

Where did I or the videos say anything no herbicide and pesticide? Do you crimp down a cover crop mix? Did you watch the videos? Could some please reference the videos and give me a specific problems with what they said rather than this he said she said bull shit fest.

"Well if you want to" followed by some shit I didn't say or some hypothetical question that cant be answered. The devil speaks in ridicule.
 
Where did I or the videos say anything no herbicide and pesticide? Do you crimp down a cover crop mix? Did you watch the videos? Could some please reference the videos and give me a specific problems with what they said rather than this he said she said bull shit fest.

"Well if you want to" followed by some shit I didn't say or some hypothetical question that cant be answered. The devil speaks in ridicule.
You don’t know what you are talking about


Cover crops and planting green equals a failure in most of the I states with dark heavy soil.

I could go on. You don’t know what you are talking about with slugs either


And lol at no manure no fertilizer just cover crops while pulling off 9 ton a year just in grain.
 
You don’t know what you are talking about


Cover crops and planting green equals a failure in most of the I states with dark heavy soil.

I could go on. You don’t know what you are talking about with slugs either


And lol at no manure no fertilizer just cover crops while pulling off 9 ton a year just in grain.

Your ego is what makes think anything but what you do, doesn't work. You sir are a blowhard. I am an idiot because here i am in back and forth with a blow hard.
 
Your ego is what makes think anything but what you do, doesn't work. You sir are a blowhard. I am an idiot because here i am in back and forth with a blow hard.
Your like someone who just bought a 10/22 and shot an Appleseed telling lowlight how to shoot a 65 at distance.

It’s worse than that though because shooting has the sameness fundamentals from Siberia to South America.
Farming doesn’t. One field might be sandy low OM and able to use cover crops no till etc. the other a half mile away might be heavy soil with a high water table that needs to have as much Black showing as possible to be able to get a crop planted on time in the spring.

Let alone the differences in farming in the delta in LA or the small steep arid pacific NW or the wet cold soil of MN.

Blowhard? Better than being arrogant and thinking you know better than the people making millions of dollars and growing crops that are double the county average. Ego and not trying new things? I love cover crops but slugs make that a hard no here.
 
Where did I or the videos say anything no herbicide and pesticide?

This is where you said it. Am I missing something?? Or I just don't know how??
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Fertilizer, N is huge in production farming but so is herbicide. I would have a terrible time without Gramoxone, Glyphosate, species selective herbicide and insecticide. Without any of this stuff you'll be subsistence and not production farming.
Except there are people who do production farming with out any of that stuff. Just because you don't know how doesn't mean t can't be done. And there are people who don't till and use herbicide and insecticides. No till and no chemicals are not one in the same.
 
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this covid shit is exactly the ticket they are going to use to try to seize the reigns of tyranny.

no debate.....mail in ballots.....and now they are going to try this shit.

these motherfuckers have covered everyone is gasoline and are playing with the matches.
Yea that’s how you can tell covid wasn’t an accident everything falling perfect for them to steal the election and turn us into a socialist country. That’s very obvious with the bills they tried to pass.
 
Wait until the Democrats start the popular vote shit again and pull the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact out to invalidate the Electoral College by order of the Democrats who agreed to it.
 
Wait until the Democrats start the popular vote shit again and pull the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact out to invalidate the Electoral College by order of the Democrats who agreed to it.
Pretty sure the Supreme Court said they can’t do that anymore
 
Pretty sure the Supreme Court said they can’t do that anymore
Sad part is that they keep threatening to add more to increase the chances they get better decisions. I don't understand how they get away with not taking up 2nd amendment cases.
 
Sad part is that they keep threatening to add more to increase the chances they get better decisions. I don't understand how they get away with not taking up 2nd amendment cases.
Roberts has something planted in his house so he is a reliable commie voter now. Can’t have important cases get “decided” till we get another person in the court
 
Roberts has something planted in his house so he is a reliable commie voter now. Can’t have important cases get “decided” till we get another person in the court
Supreme Court being political is the worse thing for this country.
 
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Something went wrong when the supreme law if the land says
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
And we have places you cant carry. Places you need a license. Places that have all kinds of gun bans

Not to mention this retarted unconstitutional “balancing test” where they decide if the tyrants wants are more important than your god given rights.
 
I'll cast my vote like everyone else.

And it’s pretty clear that the election will be stolen and your vote negated...we will see, but with no witness mail in voting, found votes, massive voter fraud and so on, it’s going to be pretty hard to believe anything in this election was legit.
 
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And it’s pretty clear that the election will be stolen and your vote negated...we will see, but with no witness mail in voting, found votes, massive voter fraud and so on, it’s going to be pretty hard to believe anything in this election was legit.
Hopefully the gap is so big between the two it won't matter.
 
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Something went wrong when the supreme law if the land says
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
And we have places you cant carry. Places you need a license. Places that have all kinds of gun bans

Not to mention this retarted unconstitutional “balancing test” where they decide if the tyrants wants are more important than your god given rights.
Yea pretty obvious were not as free as intended.
 
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And it’s pretty clear that the election will be stolen and your vote negated...we will see, but with no witness mail in voting, found votes, massive voter fraud and so on, it’s going to be pretty hard to believe anything in this election was legit.
It’s clear if dementia and the ho won, it was stolen with this bs mail in voting. 2 week voting period. Late voting. Same day registration. Etc
 
Let’s hope. But what if the gap is so big, the other direction?
Let's hope not. I honestly believe Biden could bring on the next Civil War. Im sure I'm not the only one who believes that.
 
It’s clear if dementia and the ho won, it was stolen with this bs mail in voting. 2 week voting period. Late voting. Same day registration. Etc

Yes sir! So that begs the question, what’s our recourse? Crap gets blown out in courts for years, which we already know how they lean. Meanwhile Dementia and his woman get to play in the office until it’s sorted out, which it won’t be! Think about that. So, realistically what’s the recourse?
 
I go to Lowe's, Wal-mart, other hardware stores, etc. every day, multiple times a day for work. These places are fucking packed at all hours of the day. IF I CAN GO TO THESE PLACES AND BE DEEMED SAFE B/C OF A FUCKING MASK AND "SOCIAL DISTANCING", THEN BY GOD, I CAN GO TO A VOTING POLL AND DO THE SAME SHIT I DO EVERYWHERE ELSE I GO. This mail in shit has got to be put down. I dont even agree with absentee ballots and early voting, much less any of this new fuckery they're talking about. GTFOH with that shit.
 
Scary times and I'm not thrilled with my stockpile of ammo.

Welcome to the club!

I go to Lowe's, Wal-mart, other hardware stores, etc. every day, multiple times a day for work. These places are fucking packed at all hours of the day. IF I CAN GO TO THESE PLACES AND BE DEEMED SAFE B/C OF A FUCKING MASK AND "SOCIAL DISTANCING", THEN BY GOD, I CAN GO TO A VOTING POLL AND DO THE SAME SHIT I DO EVERYWHERE ELSE I GO. This mail in shit has got to be put down. I dont even agree with absentee ballots and early voting, much less any of this new fuckery they're talking about. GTFOH with that shit.

Agreed, but they just made it legal, at least in some places!
 
Coastal bermuda uses about 250# / ac N. worms don't shit that much.
That is no shit right there. Coastal will cost to keep, straight up facts.

Lol. You talk like all the others. Talk talk talk. No do

And yeah it’s a lot different in a field paying market rent or mortgage and farming for profit versus a backyard.

Let’s hear your solution for slugs.


You don’t know what you don’t know. Your not alone though.

Army worms. 100 yards a DAY they can take out. Trees, coastal, hay, yards. All of it. Good luck telling me that I am essentially just not organic enough to keep them out. Here is the biggest rule I have found on organics: If the bugs wont eat it after I apply it then I had better get that shit off before I try to feed it to my cows or its a no-go.

If you have never fought infestations on a pasture level scale it really is not something that is easily comprehended.

I will say though that the absolute BEST fertilizer I have used is when I feed my cows haygrazer or millet on my coastal fields and then break up the turds later with equipment - usually just a drag. I have found that I can fertilize a sub-par pasture all winter with a herd of cattle and the fertilizer that was used in the hay goes through my cows and into the ground. Work wonders. Still check everything and add to the ground as necessary.
 
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Mail in voting is so 2020. Wait until 2028 when it's all done online. Won't be the least bit surprised if that's the next big push.
 
Pretty sure the Supreme Court said they can’t do that anymore
There was nothing that said that the EC has to reflect the States popular ballot. Only that states may punish faithless electors. It still leaves enforcement at a State level. Its going to fall to Voters suing States to overturn NPVIC in each state that changes the election outcome.
 
This is where you said it. Am I missing something?? Or I just don't know how??

I said there are people doing it, that is a fact. Just like there are people no tilling with out herbicide. Apparently you just don't know how, if someone else can and you can't, huh? I don't know how else to explain it. To say someone else is doing it does not mean its the norm. Its also not seen as detrimental as tillage. Also people crimping down cover crops, report using less of both to achieve the desired effects. As well as less fertilizer. Those are three big cost
inputs.

You are the ones saying I said you can't use them. You don't read posts or watch videos then try to argue with the content. Seems silly. Hell the one guy talks about how much it reduced his need for the use glyphosate and herbicide. And said he took offense to someone calling him organic. Seems few understand they are not one and the same.