Feeling down, how about euthanasia as meds?

[Snuby642]

Here is a tidbit to distract otherwise fine gentlemen from matters of the cloth.

In Texas you can shoot someone to prevent them from committing suicide.

Kind of blurs the lines don't it.

 

[Longshot231]

That's nuts. Imagine it is your kid hooked up to machines in a hospital bed waiting to find out if they live or die. Someone comes in DOA on the meat-wagon who is a perfect match, but they didn't fill out their fucking organ donor info on their drivers license, and now you have to watch as that organ, that could save your kid, rots and your child dies for some bullshit internet story.

Whatever the imagined risk you think there is, it is vastly, massively, and unquestionably outweighed by the very real possibility that your death may mean life for someone else. I would think that's a gift that every Christian would jump at the chance to give as their last act...

All you say is true except that people are corruptible, including medical personnel. I'm not convinced the system is fool proof enough yet.

Now let's turn this around.

Imagine that it's your kid that is hanging on to life by a thread. Some very famous rich kid in another room or hospital needs an organ.

The doctor approaches you and with a somber tone tell's you that your kid has died. Then he says, "Sir, I know it's a bad time to ask this but can we harvest your son's heart, liver, kidneys, eyes or whatever? There are some folks that are in desperate need for these organs. Please help us out."

Would you really be convinced that your kid's demise wasn't rushed along to help a very rich person who could care less about you or your kid?

 

[Inifinty]

I agree with the Chicken who plates himself in Iron, in that belief that we find the nether of nothing after death or that we all find peace by default is still a whole lot of belief and faith in something.

I also believe we take our sack of intellectual problems with us, unless we humble ourselves and ask the Owner, in the manner in which He instructed, to be set free.

 

[Fig]

All you say is true except that people are corruptible, including medical personnel. I'm not convinced the system is fool proof enough yet.

Now let's turn this around.

Imagine that it's your kid that is hanging on to life by a thread. Some very famous rich kid in another room or hospital needs an organ.

The doctor approaches you and with a somber tone tell's you that your kid has died. Then he says, "Sir, I know it's a bad time to ask this but can we harvest your son's heart, liver, kidneys, eyes or whatever? There are some folks that are in desperate need for these organs. Please help us out."

Would you really be convinced that your kid's demise wasn't rushed along to help a very rich person who could care less about you or your kid?

Wow. No. Doctors and nurses are not going to kill my kid to harvest his organs for money. As I said, that's internet bullshit. There may be some Yakuza shit like that going on in the far East, but there is ZERO evidence that has ever happened here...unlike the proof that Planned Parenthood was trying to sell baby parts on the black market (very illegal).

Contrary to leftist bullshit, sick kids who have no money whatsoever get the best medical care in the world in this country absolutely free. If my kid was sick I'd have no problem taking him to a Shriner's hospital, I wouldn't, because I have insurance and don't want to absorb resources I don't need, but their care is every bit as good as the world class hospitals we have where I live.

The idea that poor kids are parted out to rich ones is offensive to me.

 

[Rthur]

I'll be surprised if the "choice" to be a donor or not isn't "decided" for us shortly.
Like all other things in this current society, some will always have an
advantage in the system and we all know who and what they are.
Blackmarket guts is probably a much larger problem than we think.

R

 

[Fig]

Now, that's another matter entirely. It should absolutely be a choice, and I'm sure there are good reasons for not wanting to be an organ donor. Fear of having your parts sold for money, in America, is NOT one of them.

 

[Inifinty]

The new fad reported, or maybe its an old fad brought out into the light recently, is to infuse young peoples blood to rejuvenate ones old failing body. I have only seen reports on this so can't say that it's true. But I sure would not doubt it.

Or how about cloning human cells, smearing them all over your face, and calling it make up.

People do the darnedest of things.

 

[Snuby642]

Hospitals and ambulance services have parts chasers on staff.

 

[Rthur]

The new fad reported, or maybe its an old fad brought out into the light recently, is to infuse young peoples blood to rejuvenate ones old failing body. I have only seen reports on this so can't say that it's true. But I sure would not doubt it.

Or how about cloning human cells, smearing them all over your face, and calling it make up.

People do the darnedest of things.

Making face "cream" out of foreskins...
The above should be an indication of what "they" would be willing to do
for youth and beauty let alone survival.

R

 

[Snuby642]

Is that were the term dick head came from?

 

[Rthur]

Is that were the term dick head came from?

No but still a humorous idea.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

Its good until they try to ram it down your throat or burn you at he stake because you think differently.

One little point is that those that hate the idea of religion also will kill you to force you "Not" to believe in religion.
They are just as much and possibly more vicious and murderous than any acting in the name of a specific religion.

You should take a look at how much out right mass killing of anyone with a religious ideas was done by the "Atheist" Communists over the 20th century, or for that matter, how much the Communist Atheist Chinese government is currently viciously persecuting Muslims, Christians, any other religious folks.

It in the end boils down to people using whatever ideological justification suits them most to kill anyone that doesn't exactly toe the line.
Then if they toe the line, using the same ideology to make sure the ones in charge stay in charge and don't get questioned about it.

Pretty much the entire history of humanity with a few gaps in between.

Which is why if you want to have freedom, you have to make sure there are a lot of competing ideologies and that one specific group with one specific ideology doesn't take over the place completely.

A great Science Fiction writer once put it in the book that the reason America (after a few false starts before there was a bill of rights) had religious freedom is that while most were Christian, each denomination wanted to be the one in charge, but even more passionately didn't want any other denomination to be in charge over them. So that kept everyone free.

It can work similar even in Muslim world, for example in Syria (at least till the whole intervention mess), there was plenty of religious freedom as long as you were respectful of others (and of course Islam). Christians openly worked there just fine as long as they played by the rules, because the government was from one small sect of Islam and several other sects also competed for power and the brutal dictator in charge was very careful to try to make sure no one group got too powerful (Especially the Saudi front groups) and could overrun everyone else.
Of course eventually the whole brutal dictator thing comes crashing down to reality eventually.

 

[Longshot231]

Wow. No. Doctors and nurses are not going to kill my kid to harvest his organs for money. As I said, that's internet bullshit. There may be some Yakuza shit like that going on in the far East, but there is ZERO evidence that has ever happened here...unlike the proof that Planned Parenthood was trying to sell baby parts on the black market (very illegal).

Contrary to leftist bullshit, sick kids who have no money whatsoever get the best medical care in the world in this country absolutely free. If my kid was sick I'd have no problem taking him to a Shriner's hospital, I wouldn't, because I have insurance and don't want to absorb resources I don't need, but their care is every bit as good as the world class hospitals we have where I live.

The idea that poor kids are parted out to rich ones is offensive to me.

Read this article then let me know if still want to put any blind trust in the doctors and nurses.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/news/prosecutor-discuss-doctor-accused-ordering-135651694.html

Keep in mind they only caught him after patient #25. At least those are the ones that we know about.

 

[Fig]

I've visit a doctor, and I've been in hospitals. My opinions are formed based on my experiences rather than on news stories. I pray you don't get sick and have to rely on all those serial murderers to save your life.

 

[Longshot231]

I've visit a doctor, and I've been in hospitals. My opinions are formed based on my experiences rather than on news stories. I pray you don't get sick and have to rely on all those serial murderers to save your life.

Thanks. I appreciate that.

 

[thejeep]

The right to swing my fist ends at another’s nose.

 

[buffalowinter]

I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.
- D. H. Lawrence


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[W54/XM-388]

The right to swing my fist ends at another’s nose.

There is the good old idea of...

I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you stand right where I'm about to shoot.... (or in this case punch).

 

[Maggot]

I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.
- D. H. Lawrence


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Beautiful piece. I remember it from toward the end where he gave her his Navy Cross? When I first saw it it gave me pause to think deeply.

 

[Maggot]

The right to swing my fist ends at another’s nose.

One of my arguments against abortion.

 

[Inifinty]

I've visit a doctor, and I've been in hospitals. My opinions are formed based on my experiences rather than on news stories. I pray you don't get sick and have to rely on all those serial murderers to save your life.

This one came out recently. All industries have evil people in them. Suggest not clicking the video unless you really want to get bent. Not safe for work children or mankind for that matter.

 

[Inifinty]

Even if mock babies that is claimed by some in the twitter feed, that is extremely unprofessional and disturbing.

I personally knew of an anesthesiologist that shorted his patients pain meds on the operating table and shot them up his own arm later.

Those who want to espose that all medical professionals are above human reproach are fooling themselves or others. That Virgina governor wants to act like a relationship between the patient and doctor should be held in such high esteem that it could never be nefarious in nature. Well he’s full of shit.

Nothing against the majority of medical professionals out there that do good work and are honest people. But like I said there is no place that evil can not touch.

 

[Fig]

Seriously? Who said anything remotely like that. That’s a two story straw man.

 

[Inifinty]

Now, that's another matter entirely. It should absolutely be a choice, and I'm sure there are good reasons for not wanting to be an organ donor. Fear of having your parts sold for money, in America, is NOT one of them.

Homey if an anesthesiologist can smuggle schedule whatever drugs out of a hospital and up his arm, it’s certainly within the realm of possibilities of human tissue smuggling.

Seriously.

 

[Fig]

How many hospitals, doctors, nurses? Probably more likely to get struck by lightning while eaten by a shark. But, whatever. It has to be voluntary, and if you don’t get it oh well. I hope someone you love never has to rely on receiving a donated organ. If so karma’s a bitch.

 

[Inifinty]

How many hospitals, doctors, nurses? Probably more likely to get struck by lightning while eaten by a shark. But, whatever. It has to be voluntary, and if you don’t get it oh well. I hope someone you love never has to rely on receiving a donated organ. If so karma’s a bitch.

I don’t want to come off like I’m picking a fight. If I did it’s not my intent and I’ll apologize for that. But I get a little perturbed with the trust topic as it’s thru that avenue via lies and breach of trust that this once great nation is being brought down to its knees.

 

[Fig]

NOW were getting down to it. Youre such a sweet little boy.

I was specifically answering your question about someone advocating sharia. Not you.

The idea that all religions are the same because they require faith is a ridiculous one. They have very different cannon and very different ethos, and while you can point out some similarities the differences are stark, and objectively quantifiable in as much as one can compare them to one’s personal moral code.

For instance, Jude/Christian religion teaches homosexuality is a sin. If you celebrate that, then you find it immoral like the far left in this country. I think that’s quite different than when a religion instructs to murder anyone who isn’t a coreligionist. If you can’t see a difference then even discussing it is pointless.

 

[Maggot]

I was specifically answering your question about someone advocating sharia. Not you.

The idea that all religions are the same because they require faith is a ridiculous one. They have very different cannon and very different ethos, and while you can point out some similarities the differences are stark, and objectively quantifiable in as much as one can compare them to one’s personal moral code.

For instance, Jude/Christian religion teaches homosexuality is a sin. If you celebrate that, then you find it immoral like the far left in this country. I think that’s quite different than when a religion instructs to murder anyone who isn’t a coreligionist. If you can’t see a difference then even discussing it is pointless.

First, Ive been a bit touchy lately because of personal crap going on around me. Apologies if I was pissey.

Agreed, but at one level or another they all distort the truth, cloaking it in dogma and ritual. Sooner or later that becomes intolerance. Read the history of the Inquisitions, or how Martin Luther or John Calvin started with lofty ideals and then ended up brutalizing people for dissent. Read in the Bible about what the Israelites did after crossing the Jordan River into the Promised Land. They killed every living thing, man, woman, child, horse, ox, sheep. I dont know the history of Hinduism so well but Ill bet there are very similar historical events. The entirety of the Bhagavad Gita, one of the Hindu holy texts, is a story of two warring tribes/families lined up for battle with the chief protagonist in a dialog with Krishna/God. Perhaps Veer could comment on that one.

I just suggest that its better to disregard the religion and seek the truth oneself.

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

 

[Rthur]

First, Ive been a bit touchy lately because of personal crap going on around me. Apologies if I was pissey.

Agreed, but at one level or another they all distort the truth, cloaking it in dogma and ritual. Sooner or later that becomes intolerance. Read the history of the Inquisitions, or how Martin Luther or John Calvin started with lofty ideals and then ended up brutalizing people for dissent. Read in the Bible about what the Israelites did after crossing the Jordan River into the Promised Land. They killed every living thing, man, woman, child, horse, ox, sheep. I dont know the history of Hinduism so well but Ill bet there are very similar historical events. The entirety of the Bhagavad Gita, one of the Hindu holy texts, is a story of two warring tribes/families lined up for battle with the chief protagonist in a dialog with Krishna/God. Perhaps Veer could comment on that one.

I just suggest that its better to disregard the religion and seek the truth oneself.

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

I understand.
I've heard this can help:

R

 

[Maggot]

I understand.
I've heard this can help:
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R

Is that what you take?

 

[Rthur]

Is that what you take?

Weak sauce.

R

 

[Inifinty]

Maggot consider they were told to do that to cleanse the area of a DNA infestation left by alien invaders and the societal norms of a people that allowed themselves to live in and amongst that sort of thing. You might note every time the aliens/angels arrive they start screwing everything in sight and it was critically important that Adams line to be clean for Jesus to be brought into this world.

 

[Tucker301]

Just briefly and for clarity - The rules do not prohibit religious elements in our discussions, and it would be naive to think that suicide and human euthanasia could be debated with no inclusion of the religious aspects of same.

As for the rules and what is official, I'll take another look and cleanup where needed. At one time we had several versions of "The Rules" pinned atop each section. Some were being update while others were not, so I made the effort to remove the inconsistencies and have just one master copy posted in the Site Information section.


Specifically to this discussion, I see no preaching directed at anyone in particular and no personal attack or accusations. The religious thoughts were posted broadly and not directed anyone directly, but more as reference material.

Carry on respectfully.