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You dont need to pay someone to get an FFL. You can get it straight from the ATF's website.
What are you looking at getting them for, if you dont mind me asking?
You dont need to pay someone to get an FFL. You can get it straight from the ATF's website.
What are you looking at getting them for, if you dont mind me asking?
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Don't waste your money on them sights. I see them all the time in shotgun news and roll my eye's every time I see it and think what a scam it is because you can get all the info (for free I might add) you want on the atf's website. I beleive they even have a hotline you can call to ask questions about getting one.
Don't waste your money on them sights. I see them all the time in shotgun news and roll my eye's every time I see it and think what a scam it is because you can get all the info (for free I might add) you want on the atf's website. I beleive they even have a hotline you can call to ask questions about getting one.
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Yup, the only things those sites help you do is lighten your wallet. Believe it or not the BATFE is your best resource on getting your FFL, and for info on exactly how to do it. The forms are pretty self explanatory.
Yup, the only things those sites help you do is lighten your wallet. Believe it or not the BATFE is your best resource on getting your FFL, and for info on exactly how to do it. The forms are pretty self explanatory.
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My boss bought the 123FFL deal and then found it was just a copy of the ATF's ...just like posted above
My boss bought the 123FFL deal and then found it was just a copy of the ATF's ...just like posted above
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kenda</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup, the only things those sites help you do is lighten your wallet. <span style="font-weight: bold">Believe it or not the BATFE is your best resource on getting your FFL,</span> and for info on exactly how to do it. The forms are pretty self explanatory. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span>
I found ATF (Phoenix) to be very helpful in answering all of my really lame questions, fixing the multiple errors on my application, and truly walking me by the hand through the process.
I got my license back in a much shorter time than I was expecting even.
Heck we're already paying for these folks, why pay a third party?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kenda</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup, the only things those sites help you do is lighten your wallet. <span style="font-weight: bold">Believe it or not the BATFE is your best resource on getting your FFL,</span> and for info on exactly how to do it. The forms are pretty self explanatory. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span>
I found ATF (Phoenix) to be very helpful in answering all of my really lame questions, fixing the multiple errors on my application, and truly walking me by the hand through the process.
I got my license back in a much shorter time than I was expecting even.
Heck we're already paying for these folks, why pay a third party?
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FFL 123 the REAL way:
1. Call the ATF and request the forms
2. Call the ATF and request the forms
3. Call the ATF and request the forms
Plan to wait a month
Fill out the forms
When you go to get fingerprinted most likely your local PD will have a Motorola scanner type device. Your packet will contain FBI cards from the 1960's. Just use the PD's and include a cover letter explaining it. You'll be fine.
Take your photo from the chest up. Uncle Sugar doesn't care how big your junk is. Remove any eye wear.
Be sure to include/have a copy of any lease agreements or additional zoning requirements as listed with your local municipality.
Eventually you get a call from the regional industry operations office stating that an inspector will be out to see you. You'll talk for a couple hours and he leaves.
He/she will have a pile of stuff for you to read.
READ IT. Remember, much of the BATF is like any other bureaucratic monster. I can call 3 times and get 3 different answers to a question. It's kinda like asking Mom if you can go out this Friday. Ask enough times and eventually you'll get the answer you want.
About 90 days later the "golden ticket" shows up.
Life can then begin.
Good luck. It's easy, just takes a little while.
C.
Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.
FFL 123 the REAL way:
1. Call the ATF and request the forms
2. Call the ATF and request the forms
3. Call the ATF and request the forms
Plan to wait a month
Fill out the forms
When you go to get fingerprinted most likely your local PD will have a Motorola scanner type device. Your packet will contain FBI cards from the 1960's. Just use the PD's and include a cover letter explaining it. You'll be fine.
Take your photo from the chest up. Uncle Sugar doesn't care how big your junk is. Remove any eye wear.
Be sure to include/have a copy of any lease agreements or additional zoning requirements as listed with your local municipality.
Eventually you get a call from the regional industry operations office stating that an inspector will be out to see you. You'll talk for a couple hours and he leaves.
He/she will have a pile of stuff for you to read.
READ IT. Remember, much of the BATF is like any other bureaucratic monster. I can call 3 times and get 3 different answers to a question. It's kinda like asking Mom if you can go out this Friday. Ask enough times and eventually you'll get the answer you want.
About 90 days later the "golden ticket" shows up.
Life can then begin.
Good luck. It's easy, just takes a little while.
C.
Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.</div></div>
I had a Q clearance for years at Sandia Labs?
I would not have thought that this would interfere?
Interestingly, both my CCW (same day service) and my FFL (<30 Days) came back in record time.
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Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.</div></div>
I had a Q clearance for years at Sandia Labs?
I would not have thought that this would interfere?
Interestingly, both my CCW (same day service) and my FFL (<30 Days) came back in record time.
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Well my Secret delayed the hell out of mine. Before I had the FFL I started getting delayed as well.
I have not bought a "counter gun" since getting my FFL so it'd be interesting to see what happens now.
None of this ever happened till I after I had the clearance.
A good friend works for Naval Criminal Investigations. The way he explained it is your name "flags" because you've been looked at by the FBI. This puts you on hold till they find out why. Your folder goes to some other Joe's desk on the pile. He filters through it, see's you've been investigated as part of a background check for a clearance, and moves you onto the next desk.
Point he was making to me was, the more desks involved, the more time it takes to get it done.
Well my Secret delayed the hell out of mine. Before I had the FFL I started getting delayed as well.
I have not bought a "counter gun" since getting my FFL so it'd be interesting to see what happens now.
None of this ever happened till I after I had the clearance.
A good friend works for Naval Criminal Investigations. The way he explained it is your name "flags" because you've been looked at by the FBI. This puts you on hold till they find out why. Your folder goes to some other Joe's desk on the pile. He filters through it, see's you've been investigated as part of a background check for a clearance, and moves you onto the next desk.
Point he was making to me was, the more desks involved, the more time it takes to get it done.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take your photo from the chest up. Uncle Sugar doesn't care how big your junk is. Remove any eye wear.
</div></div>
HA! Funniest damned thing I've ever heard in a conversation regarding FFL procedure!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take your photo from the chest up. Uncle Sugar doesn't care how big your junk is. Remove any eye wear.
</div></div>
HA! Funniest damned thing I've ever heard in a conversation regarding FFL procedure!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.</div></div>
Sorry to revive a nearly dead thread, but out of curiosity... has this caused issues for anyone else? My FFL was slow, but I didn't notice any abnormal problems. I frequently provide FFL services to co-workers and it seems to me like the clearance actually helps the process when talking to the robot people (first tier) for the 4473. Rarely do I have to talk with the actual humans that seem to have feelings.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other tid bits. If you've have or ever had a security clearance (as in the EQUIP SF86 application, Secret, TS, TS Special Compartmental, etc. . .) plan on being delayed, delayed, delayed. It works the exact opposite of how one would think. It took me almost 9 months to get mine because of it.</div></div>
Sorry to revive a nearly dead thread, but out of curiosity... has this caused issues for anyone else? My FFL was slow, but I didn't notice any abnormal problems. I frequently provide FFL services to co-workers and it seems to me like the clearance actually helps the process when talking to the robot people (first tier) for the 4473. Rarely do I have to talk with the actual humans that seem to have feelings.
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Wholesalers and manufacturers mostly refuse to sell to home based FFL’s or individuals with an FFL. Would it be beneficial to have a list of home based friendly resources and inside sales contacts to call directly to get an account setup without a rejections when you apply for an account?
ATF meeting before license issuance can last 5 to 6 hours, would it be beneficial to have an outline of everything they will discuss with bullet points and references to read and review before they arrive? Often taking the meeting down to less than 1 hour and having an ATF employee highly impressed with your knowledge and preparedness.
ATF requires record keeping in a book or electrically. Would it be beneficial to have an ATF approved program that complies 100% with ATF requirements that works in MS Excel? Get a 20% discount on the bestselling A&D book online?
Help completing a form 2 to make a full auto machine gun from an AR lower for less than $100 bucks.
IRS allows you to do your taxes for free, do you call the IRS for tax advice? Spending money to save time and have insider connections is often wiser than most would be willing to admit.
Brandon Maddox, Owner FFL123.com
ATF meeting before license issuance can last 5 to 6 hours, would it be beneficial to have an outline of everything they will discuss with bullet points and references to read and review before they arrive? Often taking the meeting down to less than 1 hour and having an ATF employee highly impressed with your knowledge and preparedness.
ATF requires record keeping in a book or electrically. Would it be beneficial to have an ATF approved program that complies 100% with ATF requirements that works in MS Excel? Get a 20% discount on the bestselling A&D book online?
Help completing a form 2 to make a full auto machine gun from an AR lower for less than $100 bucks.
IRS allows you to do your taxes for free, do you call the IRS for tax advice? Spending money to save time and have insider connections is often wiser than most would be willing to admit.
Brandon Maddox, Owner FFL123.com
