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Ft Hood...again?!?
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Well, at least we know its not a Terrorist.....
may God Bless the boys and gals at Ft Hood. My family included.
may God Bless the boys and gals at Ft Hood. My family included.
No idea who/what it's about. But for you folks at Hood... stay safe.
More to follow, I am sure.
Sirhr
More to follow, I am sure.
Sirhr
i never understood why these soldiers are trusted with the most advanced and destructive weapons on the front lines (talking artillery and such) yet are trusted with even a sidearm when stateside.
+1 on this.
One known shooter is dead...many personnel allegedly injured but no details released yet on numbers/condition of the injured. Base is still on high alert with a shelter-in-place in effect until they have confirmed there are no further active shooters, etc., etc.
What a fucking shame. Its one thing to worry about taliban attacking your base, but here at home this shit is getting unacceptable.
The 1st ft hood shooting could have been easily prevented
The Navy Yard shooting could have easily been prevented/minimized ..... still have a joke for security rent a cops with zero long guns.
Who knows what will come out all this. All I know, is Military Bases are among the softest targets. Old , fat, complacent Gate guards....... masses of unarmed people, And no one is carrying to protect themselves/buddies. Hell in most places you cant even keep a gun in your own house on base.
When the fuck are service members and civil servants going to wake up say enough is efucking 'nough.
The 1st ft hood shooting could have been easily prevented
The Navy Yard shooting could have easily been prevented/minimized ..... still have a joke for security rent a cops with zero long guns.
Who knows what will come out all this. All I know, is Military Bases are among the softest targets. Old , fat, complacent Gate guards....... masses of unarmed people, And no one is carrying to protect themselves/buddies. Hell in most places you cant even keep a gun in your own house on base.
When the fuck are service members and civil servants going to wake up say enough is efucking 'nough.
The cynic in me says they have a psych program there - producing wind up toys to further an agenda.
Historically speaking though, we know with certainty the MIL has never been used as unwitting test subjects.....
Historically speaking though, we know with certainty the MIL has never been used as unwitting test subjects.....
Because for many of them guns are a job, not a hobby and not something they grew up with. I don't really trust people on the basis that they served. Some people are good, some are not.
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Please pardon my unfamiliarity with the terminology here... but WTF is "Soldier on Soldier" violence? Who euphemized that? Who the he** came up with "Soldier on Soldier?"
The guys shooting up bases and folks wearing uniforms have abdicated the title of soldier, haven't they? Either by pursuing fundamentalist religious beliefs that make them no longer U.S. soldiers... or because they are psycho or criminal. In which case, they don't deserve the title 'soldier.'
Then again, I suppose you can't say "Psycho on Soldier" violence, can you? It might make the Section-8's feel bad or something. And you can't say "Muslim terrorist on soldier," as it may imply something unseemly and un-PC about the durka-durka-Mohammad Jihad types.
But calling the Navy Yard or Hood Pt. 2 (if that's what it turns out to be) "Soldier on Soldier" violence is the worst kind of term imaginable. Worse, even, than calling an event "workplace violence." At least that doesn't imply that the person committing the act is a soldier. Because IMHO, the moment you go after a brother in arms, you lose the right to be called a soldier. Appalling.
Then again, newsies probably love the term.
Pardon my rant. But $##@@$%.
Sirhr
It makes a difference beacuse it says in once simple phrase what happened. It tells us that it was another soldier as the shooter and not some person who snuck on or was on base unauthorized. It also tells us it was not a civilian or contractor.
Soldier on Soldier..........probally over a piece of pussy, but who knows untill they release the details of the investigation.
Lieutenant General Mark A. Milley "I dont think soldiers should be able to carry on base" "Our law enforcement is highly trained and can deal with any threat"
Well GENERAL, with two mass shooting in less than 5 years on your base alone......maybe they can't deal with it. How many more do we need, 3 or 4 or 10 more shootings to get it through the head of these politican soldiers and decision makers that the ONLY thing that stops a bad dude with a gun, is another person with a gun.
But then again, they have full time PSD to protect them around the clock. E2 Johhny's life is not worth a General's life. He does not have the same right to self defense and self preservation as you do.
Well GENERAL, with two mass shooting in less than 5 years on your base alone......maybe they can't deal with it. How many more do we need, 3 or 4 or 10 more shootings to get it through the head of these politican soldiers and decision makers that the ONLY thing that stops a bad dude with a gun, is another person with a gun.
But then again, they have full time PSD to protect them around the clock. E2 Johhny's life is not worth a General's life. He does not have the same right to self defense and self preservation as you do.
I just got home from work and my wife left the TV on, which was NBC news talking about this situation. What has me concerned is they are described as a "Smith and Wesson 45,... and it was not registered with the base". Not sure why the heck it matters if it was registered to the base or not, even if it was required to live on base, which I do not know whether he was or not, it does not change a thing, he still went off the deep end, resulting in a tragedy, and the gun is not the culprit, just the tool.
"Specialist Ivan Lopez went from one building at the sprawling Texas military base to a second, firing a .45-caliber handgun, killing three people and wounding 16 more." - CNN. Yes it later states it was a Smith and Wesson .45 and it wasn't registered. The reason why it's posted is because you are damned if you do, damned if you don't from a journalism perspective. You either make mention of it, get attacked, or you don't and leave it out only to get called out later for leaving out information relevant to the story.
It's important to note they made a solid mention of the fact he was being treated for depression and mental health is possibly a huge issue here. Personally, I hope that this brings back into focus the issues with mental health in our society, specifically for those who we train to take life and then welcome them back without a care in the world for what they are going through or how that effects them in the long term.
It's a sad situation all the way around. I feel terrible for the shooter's wife as well as the families effected by this.
I don't think so, John Farnham sent this out on Monday:
"The truth which makes men free is, for the most part, truth which men prefer not to hear."
Herbert Agar
New threat to American military bases:
Federal authorities are frantically searching for a self-professed Islamic jihadist, Muhammad Abdullah Hassan (aka "Booker"), who has threatened to duplicate the Ft Hood Massacre of November 2009.
He was recruited by the Army, but then immediately discharged due to his threats. Agents interviewed him, but then inexplicably cut him loose, a move they now sincerely regret!
Military posts around the Country have been put on alert.
Who is going to protect all these defenseless, unarmed members of our so-called "armed" services from gun-wielding lunatics?
The solution to this situation is too obvious, so it will be, once again, ignored completely by the promotion-conscious up our military food-chain:
All officers and staff NCOs need to be armed all the time, on-base and off, concealed or openly. However, star-wearers are far more concerned about embarrassing, career-wounding NDs than they ever will be about dangers represented by armed madmen. And, no one seems to want to train anyone in the art of actually carrying loaded guns on a routine basis. Big police department headquarters buildings are filled with armed men and women, and, yes, we have an ND now and then. But, we stay armed, and move on!
Since the Ft Hood incident in 2009, nothing has changed in this regard. "
Gun-free zone" signs are still contemptuously ignored by violent criminals.
The nerve of them! Our brave Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen are still defenseless sitting ducks!
As a nation, we are finally confronting the stark truth that we must have armed teachers in schools to protect children, but we still can't face the idea of armed soldiers protecting themselves!
Only in America!
I work at the Navy Yard. Thankfully, I was on leave the day of the shooting. I see the security (or lack of) everyday. Same old, fat men with little/no training and without the tools to stop a legit threat if it presented itself.
Truth is, to the top brass, our Lives mean shit. They don't give a fuck about you, me or anyone else that doesnt sign their paycheck or have an effect on it.
I can't carry to work, hell I cant even carry in DC, where work is.
So the choice is, Lose a job you took years to get and have vested interest, never be able to get another gov job ever again, become a felon and most likely lose your right to ever own a gun again, and throw in a little jail time. You will probally lose everything you own and your family since now you can no long provide for them.
All beacuse you decide that your life and the life of your coworkers is worth protecting. There is no doubt most of us would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 if we KNEW there was imminent danger.
The fact is, the odds favor someone getting caught long before they could ever save a life, which makes it not worth the risk.
It is a real fucking shame, beacuse every year more people die needlessly beacuse leaders are cowards and selfish.
Truth is, to the top brass, our Lives mean shit. They don't give a fuck about you, me or anyone else that doesnt sign their paycheck or have an effect on it.
I can't carry to work, hell I cant even carry in DC, where work is.
So the choice is, Lose a job you took years to get and have vested interest, never be able to get another gov job ever again, become a felon and most likely lose your right to ever own a gun again, and throw in a little jail time. You will probally lose everything you own and your family since now you can no long provide for them.
All beacuse you decide that your life and the life of your coworkers is worth protecting. There is no doubt most of us would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 if we KNEW there was imminent danger.
The fact is, the odds favor someone getting caught long before they could ever save a life, which makes it not worth the risk.
It is a real fucking shame, beacuse every year more people die needlessly beacuse leaders are cowards and selfish.
I've noticed in a few of the bases I've visited recently, Quantico and the Stennis Space Center (NASA) which also hosts the Navy's SWCC school, that the gate security has been subcontracted out to private industry. They allow anyone to drive onto Quantico now. I was there last year for a buddy of mine's retirement and thought it weird. I was stationed there back in the late 90's and if I recall, you had to have military ID to get on and the gates were guarded by Marines.
Most bases have had contracted security since 9/11. There was some beefing up with Opperation Noble Eagle, but most bases since then have used contracted secruity.
It wouldn't matter if the Gates were guarded with SEALS or Rangers.....bases are big and they can't be everywhere at once. Ft. Hood is one of the largest military bases in the world.
I was hearing some people at work talk about ATFP and how all navy installations used to be guarded by Marines. The Marines at the Barracks, the Band Center and other sites around here are on gate guard with M4 benellis and M9's. Now Navy installtions are guarded by the lowest bidder. Its kind of hard to stop a vechile with a pistol.
It wouldn't matter if the Gates were guarded with SEALS or Rangers.....bases are big and they can't be everywhere at once. Ft. Hood is one of the largest military bases in the world.
I was hearing some people at work talk about ATFP and how all navy installations used to be guarded by Marines. The Marines at the Barracks, the Band Center and other sites around here are on gate guard with M4 benellis and M9's. Now Navy installtions are guarded by the lowest bidder. Its kind of hard to stop a vechile with a pistol.
All weapons in your vehicle have to registered with the PM, i had to do it at Fort Hood and everywhere else I have been. Btw today I am going to take pictures of our "security guards" on post, you will laugh your ass off. Then I will post pictures from my wife at Ramstein where they have two HMMWV's with 240B and about 8 actual military cops at every gate. Best part is they have had nothing like Ft hood happen, i wonder why.
I understand making sure they get all the information out that they can, but highlighting that the firearm was not registered, which in Texas is not required, not sure if he lived on base or not and what those requirements would have been, just makes all the gun grabbers see red now, and add to their fire from within to register all firearms, so that this would not happen again. It just seems that it was unnecessary statement that only benefits those who want to take our guns.
Registration isn't required in Texas, but in order to bring a gun on to a military installation, it has to be registered with the base I believe. I've only been to Ft. Hood once to visit my brother before his second deployment but I remember having difficulties finding a place to store my CHL because I didn't think about this. I did luckily have a friend who lived in town who held onto my gun for me while I went on base.
I wouldn't worry about the gun grabbers though. The Sandy hook incident and the NRA ensured people are going to swarm to gun stores the minute anyone talks about attacking the second amendment. I also know Texas won't be putting up with any of that nonsense so.
I think the relavent part is "not registered with the base," which the poster above you suggests IS a requirement...
As i stated above you have to register your weapon with the Provost Marshall upon entering Ft. Hood. It was on my inprocessing packet in bold.
I don't think the answer is to have ppl carry. Like another poster said, service members and guns are a job not a hobby . Y'all that serve know especially if you're not in a combat send mos you hardly get to shoot a weapon .. Even though your supposed to qualify with it every year . Service members most of the times don't.
That's a shame on its own..
We have mp's that can handle these situations because they're trained to. They can't be everywhere but the same logic applies for people with concealed carry.
Let's be honest most soldiers are all talk about shooting and thinking they have the mental capacity to kill. These are also the same people that let harassment and rape go unreported
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That's a shame on its own..
We have mp's that can handle these situations because they're trained to. They can't be everywhere but the same logic applies for people with concealed carry.
Let's be honest most soldiers are all talk about shooting and thinking they have the mental capacity to kill. These are also the same people that let harassment and rape go unreported
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With all due respect, you're waaay off base here.
A ton of guys I served with and knew were all avid shooters and shot/trained all the Freakin' Time..... having more "Good Guys" on Base/Post armed and ready for this bullshit is exactly what we need. MPs/Security Forces are spread waay to thin... much like Police in the Civilian World... that's like saying that Folks shouldn't carry and defend themselves either, cause the Local PD is on Patrol and all you have to do is dial 911....
Please Sign if you Agree, and Pass along to Friends, Family, etc.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legalize-concealed-carry-soldiers-military-installations/FDk9cNpH
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legalize-concealed-carry-soldiers-military-installations/FDk9cNpH
Maybe. It's apparent this shooter is now indeed a "criminal." However, the day before, he was just another army soldier who was fucked up and no one gave a shit about because everyone has problems. We don't know yet. I noticed that when confronted by the MP, he didn't go to shoot the MP. He stopped and blew his head off. Thats a red flag on top of other red flags that apparently everyone missed.
In the same way people say, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people, don't blame the guns!" We shouldn't sit here and say, "This can be solved by adding more guns and removing the victim zone by providing everyone who, completed basic training, went to war, and potentially needs some serious therapy on how to re-enter society, a gun."
I know there are a lot of soldiers who have done this fine, and haven't needed therapy. Yet I also know after a long night of drinking with some of those soldiers, when something goes sour in their minds, their eyes go black as midnight in the arctic and something comes out from inside them that is far darker than anything I've seen in the civilian world. Adding guns to that shit won't make this go away.
It's a water proof band aid for a severed leg.
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Yeah I guess some people don't realize that service members have a different mindset than civilians.. A mil guy with a gun and a hero complex with no knowledge of law enforcement and rules of engagement is going to be a cops, mp, and fellow chl people's worst
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Soldier first before mos
Im sure you would insult other non combat mos if you say their any less capable or susceptible to PTSD or combat skills, etc
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Im sure you would insult other non combat mos if you say their any less capable or susceptible to PTSD or combat skills, etc
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Fister as in FA as in he is still combat arms. He was just saying he is a 13F not an 11B. it was not insult just letting everyone know he is infact FA.
Heh, I am not Mil, I don't know these terms though I can imagine
. However, I edited "grunt" to soldier as was my original intention.Lol, @ these military acronyms. I remember when my brother came back from basic years ago, my head almost exploded when he would talk to me about anything military.
Thanks.
Heh, I am not Mil, I don't know these terms though I can imagine
Lol, @ these military acronyms. I remember when my brother came back from basic years ago, my head almost exploded when he would talk to me about anything military.
Thanks.
Apologies it is just by habit, 13F is the MOS identifier for a fister aka forward observer type, 11B is infantryman, and FA is Field Artillery.
