At $400 per 1,000, I’m about to offload an undisclosed amount of primers.
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Same boat. Bout to offload a few thousand of reloading componets and buy some new optics.
Just because I support capitalism doesn't mean I can't call someone's an asshole for abusing or fueling a shit situation. I support free speech but still call some people assholes for what they say.
Someone should force you to work for minimum wage because they feel its what you are worth despite the real market value of your labor.
Starting to get the picture?
This is a huge problem in our society where people do not understand basic economics or how free markets work. The same ones who scream "Merica when its convenient; parrot socialist policies when is not. People really need to start applying critical thinking, especially if they want to claim they believe in things such as freedom of association, capitalism and individual liberties.
Calling someone an asshole for being an asshole isn’t uniquely socialist thinking.
And the words Capitalism don’t excuse any form of excess from being ridiculed.
Should we ass hammer a company with regulatory pressure or lawsuits that increased the costs of Epi-pens massively because they could? Nope. Should we call them complete assholes? Yes.
Besides - we don’t live in a Capitalist country. Once the power of government is harnessed to create regulatory capture you are living in a Socialist state. It just isn’t as clearly defined as open Socialism is.
In fact, intellectual honesty compels me to say that Regulatory Capture Capitalism is probably slightly more evil than Scandinavian-style Socialist. Capitalism. Neither of which really approach in any way the evils of Communism.
Put another way - we pay the taxes and live in an economic straight jacket that is almost identical to a socialist country in europe without reaping any of the benefits.
Well sir hard to argue with any of that. You make great points.
It just gets annoying when people spout this shit they sound no different than the rabid left who let their emotions control them.
Someone making a business decision does not make them an asshole. You dont know their sitiation, intent or reasoning. There are very good reasons why a business would drastically raise prices.
It just gets annoying when people spout this shit they sound no different than the rabid left who let their emotions control them.
Someone making a business decision does not make them an asshole. You dont know their sitiation, intent or reasoning. There are very good reasons why a business would drastically raise prices.
It's getting close………….
Not Yet.
20 years ago People in CO said the same thing.
Liberalism is a parasite that spreads and destroys its host. They are coming for you eventually. And even if you are the last to go down, who else will be there to help you?
“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.”
I'm out of fucking LIKES to give
I too am tired of know-nothing dumbasses who've never, EVER, managed let alone owned a capital-intensive business spouting off how ammo companies should do this or that.
Not in my state because we watch them like hawks and stomp them into the ground when they show up
LOL
Nice business plan
Whose going to lend you the capital? What are you going to do for cash flow now? What are you going to do with inventory on hand costed at a premium when the bottom falls out either because demand dries up or because of legislation?
And at the same time they say how great companies who don't raise their prices are when their entire business model is Drop Shipping.
They don't stock a fucking thing and have zero capital outlays.
They should send this free shirt to anyone who posts that dumb shit
Well, some people are paying those prices in gun stores. I've seen it! Saw a guy at Academy picking up a new rifle, and then saw him at the gun shop buying ammo for it. $50 for a box of 308 FGMM!
The market consists of an offer and acceptance.
If people have very high prices and people are buying, that is the market rate.
If people have very high prices and no one is buying, the price will come down to equilibrium.
Everyone buying at inflated prices are taking additonal risk. Risk is what guides all of our decision making. Risk that prices will drop and they will bear a loss. Risk prices will rise and they will lose out on an oppertunity. Risk that the products will be unavailable in the future making them priceless.
Its a bilateral agreement to conduct a sale. No one is holding a gun to anyone head to buy a gun or ammo. That is the way it should be. A transaction where both parties agree.
$50 may be alot to you, but if you have NO ammo and your only choice is to go defenseless or pay $50, its not a hard fucking choice to make. How much is a bottle of water worth to someone dying of thirst?
This is the ESSENCE of capitalism.
People need to get it through their thick fucking skulls that compelling or forcing someone to sell something at a certain price is no different than sticking a gun to their head and stealing from them.
At the same time chastising them for making a business decision which is in their best interest just shows how shallow minded and simple many really are.
If people have very high prices and people are buying, that is the market rate.
If people have very high prices and no one is buying, the price will come down to equilibrium.
Everyone buying at inflated prices are taking additonal risk. Risk is what guides all of our decision making. Risk that prices will drop and they will bear a loss. Risk prices will rise and they will lose out on an oppertunity. Risk that the products will be unavailable in the future making them priceless.
Its a bilateral agreement to conduct a sale. No one is holding a gun to anyone head to buy a gun or ammo. That is the way it should be. A transaction where both parties agree.
$50 may be alot to you, but if you have NO ammo and your only choice is to go defenseless or pay $50, its not a hard fucking choice to make. How much is a bottle of water worth to someone dying of thirst?
This is the ESSENCE of capitalism.
People need to get it through their thick fucking skulls that compelling or forcing someone to sell something at a certain price is no different than sticking a gun to their head and stealing from them.
At the same time chastising them for making a business decision which is in their best interest just shows how shallow minded and simple many really are.
Like @CrabsandFootball said, not yet. A good 20% of America currently has some kind of ban in place and many more have legislation being pushed every legislative session. The threat is not imagined.
amen!!!!!!!!!
the people that didn't stack it deep when it was cheap (not the newbies of course and they have my sympathies) are part of the problem, not the market. those people are panicking now. A little hording never hurt anyone
Yeah I’m saying it’s stupid. You must have missed the “won the lottery” bit.
I'm fucking stealing that
Well, some people are paying those prices in gun stores. I've seen it! Saw a guy at Academy picking up a new rifle, and then saw him at the gun shop buying ammo for it. $50 for a box of 308 FGMM!
Oh man. I thought paying PSA 16.99 for 20rds of 175gr FGMM was high. At $50 per box I'd rather just handload.
Laughs in primers powder bullets and brass.
My buddy SBRd his when all the brace shit went down a few months ago. I think he might be regretting it.
Replicans gained and expanded trifectas this election season. State election results aren't fitting your narrative.
He's lost the ability to flip it unless he wants to mess around with getting it removed from NFA. Over $8K though? Jeez...
Why don't you give it a few months and we'll see where we're at? Your rights and mine are under attack, period. That's not made up and this line of commentary is out of place and off-topic in this thread at this point.
My rights have only expanded the past several years and no sign of let up any time soon.
Just so I can reference this in a few months, where exactly do you feel we'll be at the end of April?
We can grouse all we want, companies will continue charging these prices as long as they can find people willing to pay them. They're just not getting any of my money. Faced with the choice of spending $500 for 500 rounds of 9mm or using that money to buy another .22 pistol I know what I'm doing.
I'm also lucky enough to still have a pretty good supple of 9mm, 5.56 and .308 Even so, for the time being my .22's (both rifle and pistol) will be seeing a lot more range time.
I'm also lucky enough to still have a pretty good supple of 9mm, 5.56 and .308 Even so, for the time being my .22's (both rifle and pistol) will be seeing a lot more range time.
what is that old saying, a hammer without a nail is just paper weight
I'd be careful buying guns right now as ammo will continue to appreciate but we've seen some leveling off and even declines in gun prices
Where? And on what models?
Still rather spend $500 .22 pistol than 500 rounds of 9mm. Us old guys have been through this before. Ammo prices will come down (although probably not to what prices were in 2019) and availability will begin to increase. It may take a year. It may take 2. But we will get there. In the meantime I plan on continuing to shoot but it will be a lot cheaper to be shooting my new rimfire pistol than one of my 9mm or .45 guns. And at the end of the day I suspect that .22 pistol will be worth more in 2-3 years than 500 rounds of 9mm. Time will tell.
And if you really want to get depressed want to know what I paid for surplus .308 20 years ago? .16 per round and it came on stripper clips, in bandoliers, in an ammo can, in a wooden crate. Still have about 1000 rounds of this ammo.
I know, I was buying 20yrs ago too and still have win white box with $1.99 tag on them...lol
I get it, I do
Well, in all fairness, that may well come with those two boxes of ammunition.
Here's another good one, Sig thin folding stocks going over $600, for what used to be $120
There is a case of winchester WSP primers right now listed for $1700.
Look I'm gonna say this, I've been in the reloading game for 11 years now. I am also in the army which doesn't pay much as we all know. I live within my means, which also means I cant just go out and buy 10k primers or 400lbs of powder. However most of this shit is being bought up just to resell at a ridiculous price.
If you think that's fair, moral, free market or capitalism, then you are an asshole and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
Now politely fuck off.
Doc
We have a 15rd mag limit here in CO, army put me here, but they can sell "mag repair kits" which are just 30rd mags disassembled in the package.
Doc
Be mad at the people buying them at ridiculous prices. If people stopped paying, theyd stop selling.
Army pays great.
All living expenses are paid for, housing, food, cloths, medical. Cheap shopping at px and commisary, cheap gas. Hell most bases have cheap skeet and trap shooting, rec rentals and even shops with tools so you dont have to have your own to tinker on shit.
You can easily max TSP every year and still have plenty of disposible income.
Still trying to understand why you feel entitled to cheap reloading compoments way below market value.
You should use your GI bill benefits or head down the the education office and take Macroeconomics from UMUC.
Prices in the commissary and PX are the same as anywhere. Plus they charge a surcharge, which is a tax. So its the same if I shop on or off post.
My uniforms weren't paid for, j bought them out of my pocket. The only o es who were issued multicam are the ones who went through BCT since they were put into service.
Housing is paid for.
Gas is the same prices as off post.
Where do you live where they have on post ranges that you cam just go to?
I even had to buy my own Army Service Uniform, new dress uniform because I wasnt in BCT at that time.
Also DOD make a law saying they couldnt sell tobacco products cheaper than the surrounding area back in 2009 after I came back from iraq.
Alcohol is the same price on or off post.
You are a dreamer at best.
When it's a false market value because of people buying it all up and then selling it for 10 times what they bought it for isnt market value. You are delirious. Did you take your meds this morning.
Do you know how I know how primers arent 500 per 1k, because when they are in stock they are selling for 35-40 dollars as they did last year. Yes they dont always have them but when they do they arent 500 dollars. So yeah it's a false market.
I'll send you my W2s from last year and then you try to tell me the army pays great
Now politely fuck off.
Doc
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Tip-Toucher being a know it all asshole again I see.
B.Y.H.
B.Y.H.
Price controls would guarantee that nobody would have powder or primers. I think that's been well proven in Venezuela and other countries with a "planned" economy. Right now anyone who really needs supplies can buy them. One just has to really need them to pay the price. I'm pretty sure that's the way we want it, right?
PS. Dont send your W2’s.
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