Getting some of our public lands back! With a priority on us!

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What President Trump will tell Utah today
President Trump will travel to Salt Lake City, Utah, today to deliver an important message at the State Capitol. In April, the President ordered an extensive review of all large federal land expansions made since 1996 under the Antiquities Act—a 1906 law intended to safeguard national monuments that’s become a pretext for massive federal land grabs.

That report will be released this week. When the President goes to Utah today, he will lay out his proclamation to modify the boundaries for both the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante national monuments, explaining how certain past abuses of the Antiquities Act have harmed local communities.

It’s an important decision worth illuminating clearly. Here’s what the President’s proclamation does:
  • Corrects past federal overreach
  • Protects objects of national significance and prioritizes public access
  • Facilitates infrastructure upgrades and maintenance
  • Ensures tribal cultural use
  • Protects hunting and fishing rights
  • Here’s what it doesn’t do:
  • Sell public lands wholesale
  • Close or shrink national parks
  • Drill for oil in national parks
  • Leave tribal artifacts or fossils unprotected
 
#2
Another reason Trump will be the most consequential President for conservatives, ever. Yes, I said ever, to include Reagan. There is zero reason for the federal government to own the majority of the land out West. This effects me here in Montana as well. Make no mistake, Democrats and their environmental wack job supporters want this land off-limits for human use. They don't want you setting foot on it. Lest you leave a print or step on a fly or ant. Well fuck them and the Dems too. This land is for us to use and conserve as we see fit, not some useless bureaucrat sitting in a desk in DC.
 
#3
supercorndogs said:
[*]Here’s what it doesn’t do:
[*]Sell public lands wholesale
[*]Close or shrink national parks
[*]Drill for oil in national parks
[*]Leave tribal artifacts or fossils unprotected
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I bet you that will be the very list that the libtard envirofreaks will accuse him of doing the very opposite aided and abetted by the fake news media

Watch for it
 
#4
Arc Light said:
Another reason Trump will be the most consequential President for conservatives, ever. Yes, I said ever, to include Reagan. There is zero reason for the federal government to own the majority of the land out West. This effects me here in Montana as well. Make no mistake, Democrats and their environmental wack job supporters want this land off-limits for human use. They don't want you setting foot on it. Lest you leave a print or step on a fly or ant. Well fuck them and the Dems too. This land is for us to use and conserve as we see fit, not some useless bureaucrat sitting in a desk in DC.
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I agree, except Regan was no conservative.
 
#6
I do smell a little Over Reach here .
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#7
softcock said:
I do smell a little Over Reach here .
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I have no problem with federal lands. What I don't like is the national monument system being used to close land to access for hunters, 4x4s, campers, and whatever other recreation people want to do on their public land. I see no advantage to designating 1000 square miles wilderness, and closing all the two tracks that get used 5 times a year. I am sick of seeing public land gated, and a fee charged to enter. Or roads closed and access for elderly and handicapped people being all but gone. I spend a ton of time hunting on public land.
 
#8
I want public land to remain public land. I don't want it given to the states, I don't want it put into private ownership. I don't want to pay some land baron to take my kid fishing. With that said I think we have more than enough wilderness areas and national parks. Current federal environmental laws are so restrictive we sure don't need any more. Can't we just leave things the fuck alone for a while?
 
#9
supercorndogs said:
I have no problem with federal lands. What I don't like is the national monument system being used to close land to access for hunters, 4x4s, campers, and whatever other recreation people want to do on their public land. I see no advantage to designating 1000 square miles wilderness, and closing all the two tracks that get used 5 times a year. I am sick of seeing public land gated, and a fee charged to enter. Or roads closed and access for elderly and handicapped people being all but gone. I spend a ton of time hunting on public land.
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This and the "wolf" reintroduction is exactly aimed at the hunter.
Repeal land access and decimate the game population.

R
 
#10
On this note, I got to zero my rifle, just got a new barrel and load worked. Time to hit the range today. Then enjoy some mule deer hunting on some Comanche National Grassland, tomorrow. Nice its above 14 degrees now too.

I agree we don't need more predators, you need more game management, hand out more tags. I could use more meat that didn't come from a feed lot.
 
#11
softcock said:
I do smell a little Over Reach here .
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Do you have any idea how much of that area is inaccessible to the public? I can tell you that nearly all that federal land in WI is open to hunters, but I'm sure it varies state to state. To your point though I ultimately agree, the sheer amount of acreage the feds own out west is ridiculous anyway you look at it

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#12
K-tech said:
Do you have any idea how much of that area is inaccessible to the public? I can tell you that nearly all that federal land in WI is open to hunters, but I'm sure it varies state to state. To your point though I ultimately agree, the sheer amount of acreage the feds own out west is ridiculous anyway you look at it

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A better way to finish you statement is "land they control out west".
The truth is we the people own it.

R
 
#16
supercorndogs said:
Manage in way that often gives special interests the highest consideration, and has no concern for the people who use it. Justified by the false claim that historical sights are not protected otherwise. And that human access is bad for wildlife.
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The name you are looking for is lobbyists.
Where a considerable portion of the coin flows to the "Government".

R
 
#19
From Gary Herbert, Utah Governor:


Myth: By reducing the size of BENM, these federal lands will be transferred to the state of Utah and/or private entities.

Fact: BENM was designated on federal lands that will remain under federal ownership regardless of monument status. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has adamantly opposed the wholesale transfer or privatization of federal public lands, and that commitment is reflected in this modification of monument boundaries.


Myth: Without national monument status, the vast landscape of the Bears Ears region will be subjected to unchecked exploitation.

Fact: Before Obama’s monument declaration in December 2016, the Bears Ears region was mostly federal public land subject to a network of federal protections that conserve the area’s natural beauty and archeological treasures. Trump’s reconfiguration of the monument’s boundaries does not change the federal ownership of these lands and maintains the existing system of federal protections.

Specifically, 11 “wilderness study areas” in the Bears Ears region prohibit most motorized travel, construction of new roads and development of oil, gas or coal. These wilderness study areas include many of the region’s iconic locations: Cedar Mesa, Mancos Mesa and Cheese Box Canyon, to name a few. The region is also home to the Dark Canyon Wilderness, designated by Congress in 1984 and completely protected from motorized travel or natural resource extraction. Farther south lies the famed Valley of the Gods, federally preserved as an “area of critical environmental concern” to ensure the integrity of beautiful scenic vistas.


Myth: Without national monument status, the Bears Ears region will be crisscrossed by coal mines, oil rigs and gas pipelines.

Fact: Mineral resources beneath Bears Ears are scarce. There is no developable oil and gas. The region’s nonrenewable resources, including uranium near the Daneros Mine, were actually outside the expansive monument boundaries declared by Obama. The integrity of the Bears Ears landscape, long kept intact before the creation of the monument, will almost certainly remain intact after Trump’s announcement. And to ensure this going forward, the state of Utah is asking for congressional legislation that will exclude the region from mineral extraction.


Myth: National monument status will protect the rich archaeological sites and artifacts in the Bears Ears region.

Fact: Looting and vandalism are ongoing problems because the region lacks sufficient federal law enforcement. Existing federal laws such as the Archaeological Resources Protection Act and the Paleontological Resources Preservation Act are just two federal laws that protect precious cultural and scientific sites on federal land regardless of status. But the Bureau of Land Management’s law enforcement presence, once a formidable force in the area, has steadily declined due to federal budget constraints and workforce reductions. The designation of BENM brings no guarantees of improved law enforcement, but it does guarantee growing tourist visitation to vulnerable archaeological sites that will spread BLM resources even thinner and likely aggravate problems with looting and vandalism.


Myth: National monument status is a boon for outdoor recreation.

Fact: Monument status can limit specific activities enjoyed by outdoor recreationists, such as mountain biking, certain types of rock climbing and motorized travel on back roads. Managing public lands for the full spectrum of outdoor recreation activities and tailoring them to the specific terrain is best done through land management plans that take input from local tribal leaders and local land managers who understand the unique nature of the area and its possible uses for responsible recreation.
 
#21
I sure wish all the gutless hunting, OHV and outdoorsman lobbies would sue the BLM and USFS with the ferocity of the faggy patchully wearing anti human groups do. But we all know how that these hunting lobbies etc are all blow and no go.
 
#22
I must be misinformed! Many of you are talking like this is opening up some land to go hunt on and so forth. The way I read this was that this basically opens it up for privitzation, selling, industry, mining and so on. In other words, it’s goijg to get bought and chopped up and used for real estate, mining, electrical grids and so on. It doesn’t sound to me like this will be the hunting utopia you guys are making it out to be. Call me crazy but most of the protected land around me is still open to the public and even take for hunting certain times of the year. In my neck of the woods, protected just means that the government helps maintain it and that nobody can buy it up and keep it private or for industry only. I’m confused.
 
#23
SilentStalkr said:
I must be misinformed! Many of you are talking like this is opening up some land to go hunt on and so forth. The way I read this was that this basically opens it up for privitzation, selling, industry, mining and so on. In other words, it’s goijg to get bought and chopped up and used for real estate, mining, electrical grids and so on. It doesn’t sound to me like this will be the hunting utopia you guys are making it out to be. Call me crazy but most of the protected land around me is still open to the public and even take for hunting certain times of the year. In my neck of the woods, protected just means that the government helps maintain it and that nobody can buy it up and keep it private or for industry only. I’m confused.
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Then you didn't read it.
 
#25
ZiaHunter said:
http://www.nmwildlife.org/

Well even groups that are supposed to represent outdoorsmen have been infected with the environmentalist virus. Complete and utter lies. Identical to an email I received from Patagonia. They make good gear but will no longer buy their products.
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The giant, media led, multi tiered, misinformation machine is still running strong.
 
#28
"The title of the Patagonia email was "The President Stole Your Land"

Actually the correct title would be " The President recovered public lands which were stolen by an unconstitutional action by the previous President"
 
#31
^^^ er... no.

Do tell?

I am sure they will have endless marketing wins from their lies. But the whole concept is silly. No lands were stolen. It's still federal. But it's now ot 'locked up' for no usage at all.

And the concept of federal lands is sketchy, constitutionally, to begin with. Ok... I can support the cordoning off of certain spectacular patches of land. Our National Parks system is a treasure... that no country on the globe can emulate. But most 'federal lands' are nothing to preserve... they should be managed for resources. By the states. IMHO. But what do I know. I'm not a DC-apartment-dwelling eco-faggot lawyer who watched too much Nat Geo while living in my parents basement and having them pay my way through law school.

Damn happy about that fact, too!

Oh and I'll never buy anything from Patagonia or any of those other 'adventure' wear ass pirates that really only sell trendy jackets to people who ride the subway to their office jobs.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 
#32
About a year ago I said the federal ownership of land not readily needed for the fed gov to carry out its enumerated responsibilities was Unconstitutional, and many of the yes men here applauding attacked me and said I was wrong, even when presented with constitutional text and historical fact. I wrote Trump during the campaign and told him he needed to fix this shit if he got elected. Now he also recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, not out of kindness to Israel but to troll the whole dam Arab world and the whole dam Dem party and Europe. Next up he will have that little pussy sessions appoint a prosecutor to look into Hilary an Muellers Uranium one deal. Just watch, he is ticking off bullet point by bullet point.
 
#33
ArmyJerry said:
About a year ago I said the federal ownership of land not readily needed for the fed gov to carry out its enumerated responsibilities was Unconstitutional, and many of the yes men here applauding attacked me and said I was wrong, even when presented with constitutional text and historical fact. I wrote Trump during the campaign and told him he needed to fix this shit if he got elected. Now he also recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, not out of kindness to Israel but to troll the whole dam Arab world and the whole dam Dem party and Europe. Next up he will have that little pussy sessions appoint a prosecutor to look into Hilary an Muellers Uranium one deal. Just watch, he is ticking off bullet point by bullet point.
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So what you are saying, Army... is that you are starting to warm up to the Trumpster? Er... sorry. That's President The Donald. :cool:

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
#37
ArmyJerry said:
About a year ago I said the federal ownership of land not readily needed for the fed gov to carry out its enumerated responsibilities was Unconstitutional, and many of the yes men here applauding attacked me and said I was wrong, even when presented with constitutional text and historical fact. I wrote Trump during the campaign and told him he needed to fix this shit if he got elected. Now he also recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, not out of kindness to Israel but to troll the whole dam Arab world and the whole dam Dem party and Europe. Next up he will have that little pussy sessions appoint a prosecutor to look into Hilary an Muellers Uranium one deal. Just watch, he is ticking off bullet point by bullet point.
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I was one of the ones that disagreed with you on the point of the constitutionality of the Feds owning land. Other than that, I usually agree with you. The case of the Feds owning land has gone before the Supreme Court a few times. Its always been upheld. The last I believe was in the early 1900's. They always go to the Property Clause of the Constitution. As much as I distrust the Feds, I distrust the state government more. I believe the land should be used by the people for multiple use activities to include recreation, mining logging and grazing. The last thing I want to do is ask some land baron permission to take my kid fishing and see more no trespassing signs every time I want to go shoot jackrabbits. Bears Ears and Grand staircase monument are going to be downsized. Great! They will still remain in federal ownership but open to management. What people don't realize is these archaeological sites and critical habitat area will still be protected. Now there isn't a blanket declaration closing it all to management activities.
 
#38
2/3rds of the state's own the land in their states and i would say they manage it better. That same SCOTUS has said slavery was okay, they said government take over of your healthcare was a tax and not a compelling purchase of a product. Frankly the SCOTUS has lost credibility and is not to be trusted to interpret a goddam menu at McDonalds. The constitution is simple language and doesn't really need a lot of interpretation on a federal level, The Feds are not allowed to do 95 % of the shit they do, but the SCOTUS has seen fit to let them ge beyond their constitutionally delegated powers.
 
#42
Dune why did you go and ruin it?

AJ was on a peak high of posivity there that had me suspecting he was sans pants at the keyboard.

Than you came and ruined it for him.
 
#43
I only want chasedeer to hit the appropriate number of posts he needs to sell whatever he wants to sell because he has revived a shit ton of necro threads on his quest to sell his Mako stock.
 
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