Giraud is the best!
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If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights
If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights </div></div>
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights </div></div>
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 week from ordered to shipped. I was going to do some loading in the next couple days, but now i'm going to wait. Hurry up brown truck! </div></div>
Money well spent.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 week from ordered to shipped. I was going to do some loading in the next couple days, but now i'm going to wait. Hurry up brown truck! </div></div>
Money well spent.
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Very good but these are a pleasure to use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 week from ordered to shipped. I was going to do some loading in the next couple days, but now i'm going to wait. Hurry up brown truck! </div></div>
Money well spent. </div></div>
Very good but these are a pleasure to use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JerkeeJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 week from ordered to shipped. I was going to do some loading in the next couple days, but now i'm going to wait. Hurry up brown truck! </div></div>
Money well spent. </div></div>
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Giraud is GTG. I have a Gracey that really used to suck until I put a carbide blade in it from B. Jones Sights. I will trim 308's as fast as you can handle them. The Giraud though is worth the money. You'll NEVER trim a case by hand again.
Giraud is GTG. I have a Gracey that really used to suck until I put a carbide blade in it from B. Jones Sights. I will trim 308's as fast as you can handle them. The Giraud though is worth the money. You'll NEVER trim a case by hand again.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I don't think that is normal. Perhaps you need to readjust your blade and if that doesn't work, perhaps you need to sharpen (or replace) your blade.
I've got pencil pusher hands and the Giraud doesn't require much force to counteract the torque applied to the case when trimming if setup correctly with a sharp blade.
Also, if you didn't know, each carbide blade has three cutting edges. If one becomes dull, just mark it and rotate to the next sharp blade until you need to replace it.
That said, I've run thousands and thousands of cases on mine and am just contemplating a blade swap on my most used one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I don't think that is normal. Perhaps you need to readjust your blade and if that doesn't work, perhaps you need to sharpen (or replace) your blade.
I've got pencil pusher hands and the Giraud doesn't require much force to counteract the torque applied to the case when trimming if setup correctly with a sharp blade.
Also, if you didn't know, each carbide blade has three cutting edges. If one becomes dull, just mark it and rotate to the next sharp blade until you need to replace it.
That said, I've run thousands and thousands of cases on mine and am just contemplating a blade swap on my most used one.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hazardus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I don't think that is normal. Perhaps you need to readjust your blade and if that doesn't work, perhaps you need to sharpen (or replace) your blade.
I've got pencil pusher hands and the Giraud doesn't require much force to counteract the torque applied to the case when trimming if setup correctly with a sharp blade.
Also, if you didn't know, each carbide blade has three cutting edges. If one becomes dull, just mark it and rotate to the next sharp blade until you need to replace it.
That said, I've run thousands and thousands of cases on mine and am just contemplating a blade swap on my most used one. </div></div>
One blade actually got so dull it stopped cutting so I switched it to another blade. I've tried adjusting the blade and it doesn't get any easier to hold the brass. Sometimes there is no vibration and it cuts very easily and other times you need a death grip on the brass. I emailed Doug about the dull blade and he said they should last to over 100,000 cases so I don't know what was wrong with mine. I think the reason some pieces get vibration and need a tighter grip is that they are not concentric.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hazardus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I don't think that is normal. Perhaps you need to readjust your blade and if that doesn't work, perhaps you need to sharpen (or replace) your blade.
I've got pencil pusher hands and the Giraud doesn't require much force to counteract the torque applied to the case when trimming if setup correctly with a sharp blade.
Also, if you didn't know, each carbide blade has three cutting edges. If one becomes dull, just mark it and rotate to the next sharp blade until you need to replace it.
That said, I've run thousands and thousands of cases on mine and am just contemplating a blade swap on my most used one. </div></div>
One blade actually got so dull it stopped cutting so I switched it to another blade. I've tried adjusting the blade and it doesn't get any easier to hold the brass. Sometimes there is no vibration and it cuts very easily and other times you need a death grip on the brass. I emailed Doug about the dull blade and he said they should last to over 100,000 cases so I don't know what was wrong with mine. I think the reason some pieces get vibration and need a tighter grip is that they are not concentric.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights </div></div>
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I get issued these at work and a snug fitting pair of these make it easy to grip the cases. They are a stretch nylon liner with a polyurethane coating and come in a range of sizes.....size 8 for my small hands. http://www.ansellpro.com/hyflex/11-600.asp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone wants to see a girraud in action, live... right now... I'm broadcasting my reloading session live.
The girraud will be eating through another 200pcs of 308 here in about 5 minutes.
http://www.justin.tv/br/primalrights </div></div>
It looks like you're not using much effort to grip the brass, with my Giraud I get blisters and have to wear thick leather gloves. </div></div>
I get issued these at work and a snug fitting pair of these make it easy to grip the cases. They are a stretch nylon liner with a polyurethane coating and come in a range of sizes.....size 8 for my small hands. http://www.ansellpro.com/hyflex/11-600.asp
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I don't know what you are doing with your trimmer but my little girl trimmed 200 300 win mag cases last night and they were Winchesters that were pretty long so they needed a whole bunch trimmed off. She is 10 years old and didn't wear gloves. Something is wrong in your picture somewhere. Jeff
I don't know what you are doing with your trimmer but my little girl trimmed 200 300 win mag cases last night and they were Winchesters that were pretty long so they needed a whole bunch trimmed off. She is 10 years old and didn't wear gloves. Something is wrong in your picture somewhere. Jeff
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what you are doing with your trimmer but my little girl trimmed 200 300 win mag cases last night and they were Winchesters that were pretty long so they needed a whole bunch trimmed off. She is 10 years old and didn't wear gloves. Something is wrong in your picture somewhere. Jeff </div></div>
Sure sounds like it, I'm going to email Doug and see what he says. It actually ripped through the first pair of leather gloves but they were thin.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what you are doing with your trimmer but my little girl trimmed 200 300 win mag cases last night and they were Winchesters that were pretty long so they needed a whole bunch trimmed off. She is 10 years old and didn't wear gloves. Something is wrong in your picture somewhere. Jeff </div></div>
Sure sounds like it, I'm going to email Doug and see what he says. It actually ripped through the first pair of leather gloves but they were thin.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dan, did you ever find out what is going on with your trimmer? Jeff </div></div>
I emailed Doug and he sent me a new .223 blade to try out, I got the blade in and should have some more 223 brass in next week. I'l let you guys know if it helps.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dan, did you ever find out what is going on with your trimmer? Jeff </div></div>
I emailed Doug and he sent me a new .223 blade to try out, I got the blade in and should have some more 223 brass in next week. I'l let you guys know if it helps.
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I am very close to pulling the trigger on one of these. Anyone want to give me a helpful push?
I am very close to pulling the trigger on one of these. Anyone want to give me a helpful push?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you need pushed... you don't deserve one.
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Yeah, but then when the wife finds out I can blame you guys!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you need pushed... you don't deserve one.
Yeah, but then when the wife finds out I can blame you guys!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dan, did you ever find out what is going on with your trimmer? Jeff </div></div>
Hey Jeff, I tried out the new blade and got mixed results. Out of about 30 .223 LC 07 cases, 27 needed a tight grip and 3 required almost no pressure at all to hold. At that point I had to stop because my hand was hurting. I emailed Doug again and am waiting to see what he says. Like I told him, I'm a 6'0'' 220 lb guy so somethings not right here if a little kid doesn't have problems gripping the brass. I looked at the cases that were easy to grip and didn't vibrate the machine like the others and I can't see any difference. The chamfer was perfect on one, uneven on two. It's the same with the difficult ones, chamfer is variable and I can't figure out what the problem is.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperXJeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dan, did you ever find out what is going on with your trimmer? Jeff </div></div>
Hey Jeff, I tried out the new blade and got mixed results. Out of about 30 .223 LC 07 cases, 27 needed a tight grip and 3 required almost no pressure at all to hold. At that point I had to stop because my hand was hurting. I emailed Doug again and am waiting to see what he says. Like I told him, I'm a 6'0'' 220 lb guy so somethings not right here if a little kid doesn't have problems gripping the brass. I looked at the cases that were easy to grip and didn't vibrate the machine like the others and I can't see any difference. The chamfer was perfect on one, uneven on two. It's the same with the difficult ones, chamfer is variable and I can't figure out what the problem is.
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Just heard back from Doug and he made a few suggestions which I will try but my opinion at this point is the LC brass I have is not concentric causing the vibration with some cases and not others and I must have girly hands lol.
Just heard back from Doug and he made a few suggestions which I will try but my opinion at this point is the LC brass I have is not concentric causing the vibration with some cases and not others and I must have girly hands lol.
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does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks.
does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks.
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I haven't had any problems with mine. The chamfer is slightly uneven, even after I spin the case, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I can do with a case prep center. At the end of the day, my experience shows that a slight uneven chamfer does not impact my level of accuracy. I've also chucked all of my expander balls in the garbage can.
My goal is repeatable and accurate ammunition, but my time is better spent shooting said ammo rather than worrying about slightly uneven chamfers, or 100% proper neck tension, or intricate case prep routines.
I haven't had any problems with mine. The chamfer is slightly uneven, even after I spin the case, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I can do with a case prep center. At the end of the day, my experience shows that a slight uneven chamfer does not impact my level of accuracy. I've also chucked all of my expander balls in the garbage can.
My goal is repeatable and accurate ammunition, but my time is better spent shooting said ammo rather than worrying about slightly uneven chamfers, or 100% proper neck tension, or intricate case prep routines.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
I had this problem and Doug told me that I was taking too long to trim the brass. I was taking about 4-5 seconds per case, he said to force it in harder and get the case trimmed in about 1-2 seconds. This helped a little but I still get an uneven chamfer. Twisting the case makes almost no difference for me. I just tried a suggestion from him today to raise the expander ball in the die to correct any concentricity problems from a slightly misaligned decapping rod and that may have helped a little with the vibration/death grip issues I was having. If the neck thickness changes from one side of the neck to the other you'll get an uneven chamfer. However it seems that even if they were uneven in thickness the chamfer would not be as uneven as I'm seeing. Some cases come out perfect though so it has to be the brass, I don't see how the machine could cause that variation from the way it's built.
The way you stick the brass in makes a difference too, try it with your other hand and you'll see what I'm talking about, the small movement the brass has in the brass holder does come into play for me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
I had this problem and Doug told me that I was taking too long to trim the brass. I was taking about 4-5 seconds per case, he said to force it in harder and get the case trimmed in about 1-2 seconds. This helped a little but I still get an uneven chamfer. Twisting the case makes almost no difference for me. I just tried a suggestion from him today to raise the expander ball in the die to correct any concentricity problems from a slightly misaligned decapping rod and that may have helped a little with the vibration/death grip issues I was having. If the neck thickness changes from one side of the neck to the other you'll get an uneven chamfer. However it seems that even if they were uneven in thickness the chamfer would not be as uneven as I'm seeing. Some cases come out perfect though so it has to be the brass, I don't see how the machine could cause that variation from the way it's built.
The way you stick the brass in makes a difference too, try it with your other hand and you'll see what I'm talking about, the small movement the brass has in the brass holder does come into play for me.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C.K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always buy the blanks and have have my gunsmith chamber it when he does the barrel. </div></div>
I was trimming 223 for my ARs which have standard chambers, the brass holder I have should be bored for a standard chamber unless you give Doug your custom specs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C.K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always buy the blanks and have have my gunsmith chamber it when he does the barrel. </div></div>
I was trimming 223 for my ARs which have standard chambers, the brass holder I have should be bored for a standard chamber unless you give Doug your custom specs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">these make trimming a pleasure!!! </div></div>
If you have soft, concentric brass, otherwise invest in a good pair of leather gloves.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">these make trimming a pleasure!!! </div></div>
If you have soft, concentric brass, otherwise invest in a good pair of leather gloves.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
Here's how about 70% of the cases turn out, this is the same piece of brass showing the chamfer on one side and the opposite. I always turn the case and it doesn't make any noticeable difference. One side has about double to triple the chamfer as the other. Does it really matter though? The bullet should orient itself based on the neck below the chamfer, so I don't think it's a big deal but I suspect that is causing the vibration/grip problems I'm having. This was mostly LC 07 brass, I need to try some lapua and see if the neck thickness and concentricity is better and if that makes a difference.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
Here's how about 70% of the cases turn out, this is the same piece of brass showing the chamfer on one side and the opposite. I always turn the case and it doesn't make any noticeable difference. One side has about double to triple the chamfer as the other. Does it really matter though? The bullet should orient itself based on the neck below the chamfer, so I don't think it's a big deal but I suspect that is causing the vibration/grip problems I'm having. This was mostly LC 07 brass, I need to try some lapua and see if the neck thickness and concentricity is better and if that makes a difference.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
I have had the same problem with mine, I am not dragging an expander ball through it???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbohardtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have problems with the Giraud not trimming evenly around the casemouth even after turning the case around? I have this problem and Doug thought it might be because of my decapping rod not being center and pulled the case mouth off to the side. I replaced the decapping rod to a new unit with a carbide button and is still having this problem. I have not tried on a different press yet. If you have this problem and has corrected please share your experience. Thanks. </div></div>
I have had the same problem with mine, I am not dragging an expander ball through it???
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If you are not dragging an expander ball through the neck, then you are most probably using a neck bushing die set. Is your bushing nice and tight in the die body or floating to self center? If it is locked down tight in the die body, it is probably not concentric with the die body. If it is just barely loose, it can self center on the case as it enters.
Also, double triple and quadruple check that the case holder is clean inside. If there are chips sticking to the side, it will cause the same thing.
Doug Giraud
Giraud Tool Company
If you are not dragging an expander ball through the neck, then you are most probably using a neck bushing die set. Is your bushing nice and tight in the die body or floating to self center? If it is locked down tight in the die body, it is probably not concentric with the die body. If it is just barely loose, it can self center on the case as it enters.
Also, double triple and quadruple check that the case holder is clean inside. If there are chips sticking to the side, it will cause the same thing.
Doug Giraud
Giraud Tool Company
