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I don’t think that is really a feasible option but your not far from the truth. My guess they will use the tobacco model. They will try to bankrupt manufacturers and vendors with lawsuits, and create laws that create such an expense that firearms and ammo will simply be unaffordable to any average citizen. We have already seen the beginnings with laws such as each individual bullet has to have a serial number. Socialist learned after Stalin that taxes, fees, and regulations are easier than chains and whips and can accomplish the same purpose.
Fear not my brother we will win the day, because if we don’t like a wise man said it will be 1000 years of darkness.
I am absolutely sick that the Canadian government has gone down this path and with the Liberals and NDP being in bed together, this bill can legit pass. It was already absurd with the "assualt weapons" ban which I was hoping was going to be successfully challenged. I'm Canadian but immigrated to the US over a decade ago. I grew up in Canada owing guns, competing nationally in small bore UIT events, was former member of the Canadian National Junior Rifle Team (about 25 years ago now), and Canadian leadership has given a big fuck you to every single law abiding, responsible firearms enthusiast in Canada to pander to the rabid anti-gun crowd. Criminals will continue using their illegally obtained firearms as they always have.
I don't think I could ever move back. That is not the country I grew up in.
I don't think I could ever move back. That is not the country I grew up in.
I hope you are right!
The way I see it going is some states hopefully mine (SC) will turn into sanctuary states for the 2nd Amendment where the governors of those states will just flat out refuse to recognize any unjust federal gun laws. Hey, the left doesn't mind when states refuse to follow federal laws on drugs and immigration, but watch their fucking heads explode when certain states refuse to follow federal guns laws.
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I keep sayinf that the NFID (national firearm ident database) will screw everyone. Including any registry / govt employee.
Its in AU, its in USA (batfe, on the registry database that they are not ment to have) and id be very surprised if canada wasnt implimenting it.
The best way to explain it is.. take cars. You need to take a pic of your car as proof, but ahot what tyres you have, window tint, interior trim, any engine or brake mods, and submit that. If you change anything, you need to apply to change it. You want new rims and tyres ? You need to apply for new rego. You want to reupholster your seats ? Permit. Engine tune and filter / oil.. permit...
They are trying it in Australia, and its going to happen in Canada i bet.
You CAN own guns, you have the RIGHT to bear arms, you just need to submit pics to make it clearly identifiable. For insurance / theft / whatever reason.
This is the path it will take. The whole system is crap, doesnt work, and no one wants it. Except a few corrupt govt officials. I know their names too. (In AU)
Its in AU, its in USA (batfe, on the registry database that they are not ment to have) and id be very surprised if canada wasnt implimenting it.
The best way to explain it is.. take cars. You need to take a pic of your car as proof, but ahot what tyres you have, window tint, interior trim, any engine or brake mods, and submit that. If you change anything, you need to apply to change it. You want new rims and tyres ? You need to apply for new rego. You want to reupholster your seats ? Permit. Engine tune and filter / oil.. permit...
They are trying it in Australia, and its going to happen in Canada i bet.
You CAN own guns, you have the RIGHT to bear arms, you just need to submit pics to make it clearly identifiable. For insurance / theft / whatever reason.
This is the path it will take. The whole system is crap, doesnt work, and no one wants it. Except a few corrupt govt officials. I know their names too. (In AU)
The worst part I haven't seen anyone acknowledge, is that the TRANSFER of handguns will be banned. This has implications far beyond just personal sales. This is a back door to total confiscation over a generation of time. This will extend to INHERITANCE, as when you die your handguns need to be transferred to the next of kin. With this new ban, once you die, your handguns go bye bye to the overlords. Given enough time there will be zero handguns in anyones possession.
They did? I bought and then sold a 12g lever recently. It was Cat A in Vic.
You sure about that ?
ssaavic.com.au
Cat B if up to 5 shot, any more and cat D.
Lever-action shotgun reclassification passed - SSAA Victoria
Lever-action shotguns with a five-round magazine will no longer be a Category A firearm and will now be officially classed as a Category B firearm. A lever-action shotgun with a magazine capacity greater than five...
Cat B if up to 5 shot, any more and cat D.
This is how they will try. They wont legislate directly against guns. They will do it by other means.
Each year in Australia i get my bank account almost frozen (restricted trade, business account). Each time tax rolls around im apparently a terrorist and need to fill out a bunch of forms, stat-dec, provide proof, etc, that im NOT funding or supplying terrorists.
And before you say "leave the bank, just go to a friendly one". We cant. They dont exist. No one else will do business with me. The only reason im NOT shut down is because ive been with them for years and had a house loan when i started the business.
if theres a bank or credit union in AU who is truly non-disciminatory, id love to hear about them.
It was a 5 shot but I'm almost certain it was Cat A. Not that Cat A vs B is much of a difference. I've sold all my shotties but they were all registered under Cat A. Straight pull tube, straight pull mags, lever and breaks.You sure about that ?
Lever-action shotgun reclassification passed - SSAA Victoria
Lever-action shotguns with a five-round magazine will no longer be a Category A firearm and will now be officially classed as a Category B firearm. A lever-action shotgun with a magazine capacity greater than five...
Cat B if up to 5 shot, any more and cat D.
Not doubting your knowledge of the rules seeing as how it's your line of work.
Few of the older blokes down my way have other administrative oversights on their guns. One has over fifty guns that police claim aren't registered. He pulled out papers from the 80s that prove otherwise. Cops wanted him to sign an affidavit regarding legitimacy of the certificates. He didn't.
I don't think the men/women/whatevers working in firearms know anything beyond, "scary looking gun".
I think that’s what they did with the “assault rifles” - no bequeathal.
I don’t need the government telling me what I can and cannot bequeath to my next of kin.
At the time of rego, they were cat A. The registry changed it without your interaction. Not a huge problem, one of those stupid usless admin things.
As for the older people with rego certs from the 80s, thats not isolated. He is also correct in not signing an affidavit. He doesnt need to sign ANYTHING, as its police responsibility to track it down.
If police charge him, and he has proof, they are screwed. It shows they are not keeping records. By him signing a stat-dec, id have to find the exact legislation, but it effectively says "im in the wrong, but i want to comply" type deal. It can be used against him. Acknowledging he had potentially unregistered guns. Yes registered, but potentially not.
Instead of him being totally protected because police have bad accounting, now he is in posession of potentially illegal firearms. Which the police can confiscate until the court case it settled. Which can take years. And then make him pay to reregister them on the "new" system. Yes, police are this vindictive.
Folks aren't looking at the larger picture...
Canada is now effectively disarmed, cowed and incapable of offering any resistance against, well, anything. Not that they ever did. They're Canadians.
But they are also the longest un-defended border in the world. And an ideal staging ground for anyone who wanted to be able to cause grief to the U.S. Especially the heartland and the crop-growing regions.
China, EU, and NGO's have effectively created a giant base of operations... And now we have Cartels and waves of migrants to the South. Communists with a placid and disarmed populace to our North. Yeah. We're being hemmed in. On purpose. While being undermined by forces in Kalorama and Westchester and Hollywood and Orlando.
Well, there ya go.
Sirhr
Canada is now effectively disarmed, cowed and incapable of offering any resistance against, well, anything. Not that they ever did. They're Canadians.
But they are also the longest un-defended border in the world. And an ideal staging ground for anyone who wanted to be able to cause grief to the U.S. Especially the heartland and the crop-growing regions.
China, EU, and NGO's have effectively created a giant base of operations... And now we have Cartels and waves of migrants to the South. Communists with a placid and disarmed populace to our North. Yeah. We're being hemmed in. On purpose. While being undermined by forces in Kalorama and Westchester and Hollywood and Orlando.
Well, there ya go.
Sirhr
Systems crap alright, even the coppers that do the work don't seem to want it here because they are too busy. So the gov pushes compliance onto gun owners/clubs like with annual pistol shoots. Fuck last time I went to the range some old guy was signing his own card with himself as the RO which is obviously incorrect but passed through weapons licensing without issue.
Not even close to the same thing. Your understanding of EO's is weak.
It's a numbers game.
If enough people say no it becomes an impasse.
If enough people comply than those little nails standing proud are about to get fucking hammered.
Look I'm not one to bow down and let the Government walk over me. I am all for Western Separation and all for a civil war if it comes to that. If I didn't have a wife and child then I certainly wouldn't have any second thoughts.
@ArmedGinger will you be in need of construction materials, specifically rocks or bricks? A few pallets dropped off at the end of a certain persons driveway has been shown in the U.S. to pave the way toward peaceful protests...
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I saw the writing on the wall ages ago, The only regret I have about not living in Canada these days is the awesome geography. I don't even miss my liberal family members that much.
I "imported" a bunch of firearms when I moved to the US. It was a long and tedious process but technically I wasn't "selling" them.
If you can get out of Canada I recommend it. Not that the USA isn't on the same path but if you move to the right state you can buy yourself a few more years of freedom.
This was noted as part of it, is there any appeal process... any recourse... you don't get to face your accuser so your accuser could literally be anyone/everyone. Guilty until proven innocent.
Not only that, who on Earth wants to be considered harmless... considered a danger, yea, you're fucking right you should consider me a danger, if you're a rapist, a murderer, a home invader and so on...
So, who couldn't be "considered a danger?" And why do you need to keep said turncoats identity secret? You've taken the big bad guns away so there is no such thing as crime right, they are safe now and therefore that part would be rendered moot, no...
It's funny that they always note we need to reduce "GUN" crime now, they make sure and single that out, like any crime without a gun is just fine, but with a gun there's some magical level of dead that occurs, rape will now affect you horribly, but without the gun you would've been fine.
Helps to ensure they don't need to acknowledge the million plus saved each year by firearms.
Not only that, who on Earth wants to be considered harmless... considered a danger, yea, you're fucking right you should consider me a danger, if you're a rapist, a murderer, a home invader and so on...
So, who couldn't be "considered a danger?" And why do you need to keep said turncoats identity secret? You've taken the big bad guns away so there is no such thing as crime right, they are safe now and therefore that part would be rendered moot, no...
- Addressing intimate partner violence, gender-based violence, and self-harm involving firearms by creating a new “red flag” law that would enable courts to require that individuals considered a danger to themselves or others surrender their firearms to law enforcement, while protecting the safety of the individual applying to the red flag process, including by protecting their identity. In addition, the government will invest $6.6 million to help raise awareness of the new law and provide supports to vulnerable and marginalized groups to navigate the provisions.
It's funny that they always note we need to reduce "GUN" crime now, they make sure and single that out, like any crime without a gun is just fine, but with a gun there's some magical level of dead that occurs, rape will now affect you horribly, but without the gun you would've been fine.
Helps to ensure they don't need to acknowledge the million plus saved each year by firearms.
The reality of the situation here is that even the Conservatives who claim to be on our side aren't really, they aren't out there fighting for our rights the legal way, no mater how much you write them. They sit in the corner and let it happen, we literally have to choose the least shitty option and the East of our country over rules that. So the option would be to gather, stand and fight and how many people are you going to get for that, most of the gun community has some form of family that they want to support and would rather not die.
This is the only time the communists like nuclear families. Counting on us to stay with and protect our families.
An industry that’s alive and well north of your border.From a friend: I'm willing to trade a few handguns for some software and physical devices to use for emissions deletes.
Going after the gangs/crime and the reason for their existence would be racist and misogynistic. Young men need real fathers.
As it’s been posted before on here, you can’t win an emotional argument with facts and logic.
sounds like what happened in the people's republic of australia
Name me one government anywhere in the world that’s worth a fuck? Government’s sole purpose is to run you like cattle. There is no good example of government anywhere in the world. They all end up the same, authoritarian dictatorships.
That may be true, personally it wasn’t where I live. But what I have seen where I live and other places on television is local Sheriffs publicly refusing to enforce Federal gun laws. Nothing is ever 100%, but if gun confiscation occurs it would have to be done on a local level, and I still don’t see local officers willing to do it, but I could be wrong. the federal government simply doesn’t have a fraction of the resources required to enforce gun confiscation unless they used the military, and if that occurred it’s a full civil war. In the end it’s more likely they will just try to harass, tax, and bankrupt firearms out of civilian hands, because if they do attempt gun confiscation it will be bloody, and the country will fracture by county as either gun sanctuaries or gun laws enforced.
Probably about the same as what the US will do when it happens here. Start a dozen threads on a forum and post a bunch of memes on Facebook that make people think they are making a difference...
By the way I saw you live on the border, I was born in San Benito but haven’t been back in 20 years, in North Texas now. Yes your right my realm of travel is about 3 counties now, except in dove season.
Dude, as if that wouldn’t happen here. Cmon man! Thier gonna take away .22 rimfires also. Remember that!!
Probably. You handle yours bro! WILL NOT COMPLY!
How is that motherfucker still breathing?
Simple. He is protected by men, with guns. Same as Soros, Biden and pretty much every other player...
Like your bank account?
That’s one way. There is plenty more, but I refuse to post it online.
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