Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

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Hi guys! I'm in the market to get a .338 lapua from savage, I've been looking at the 110 ba and the 110fcp hs precision.

110 ba
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110FCP HS Precision
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I have a few questions regarding the differences between the two

1. Does the pistol grip make it easier to achieve accuracy at 1000+ yards, (Barret uses pistol grips)are they just more comfortable? This is my main concern

2. since the HS Precision rifle does not have an accustock will it be less accurate than the 110 BA?

3. I've read mixed reviews on bedding HS stocks, would bedding the 110FCP HS Precision rifle increase accuracy?

4. I will be carring this rifle around on foot so I was wondering if the 110 BA is too heavy for that, it weighs almost 16 lbs compared to the 110FCP at almost 11 lbs? Does that extra 5 lbs really make that much of a difference when carrying around?

Thanks for the help!
 
#2
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

Just picked up the HS yesterday. first thing I did was bed the stock. It had decent contact surface but it's not always going to be that way with all of the stocks. Other than that, it's a lot cheaper and the only reason I would buy the BA is if I were going to prefer that stock over this one. The stock isn't going to make a differnec in accuracy bc the HS has the aluminum bedding block. Honestly, it's just a cosmetic difference between the two other than the grip. The HS has a pistol grip type of feel to it. I love it, but I'm just one person. I'd say accuracy is a flip of the coin between the 2.
 
#3
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

You could buy the long range hunter, sell the accustock and buy whatever stock you wish. Manners with the 90% carbon fill may help you save some weight for hunting purposes.

If you like a chassis style stock, look at xlr... Sky is the limit.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd say accuracy is a flip of the coin between the 2. </div></div>

And what brings you to that conclusion? Just wondering, I hope you shoot killer groups. Be sure and keep us informed on range reports and load data.

Diego
 
#6
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

It's a matter of looks and trigger finger/hand position mainly.

In regards to looks, personally, I don't care for the BA. I prefer the look of a more traditional rifle. I like HS stocks just fine but would prefer a Manners or McM.

In regard to trigger control: consider your comfortable trigger finger position. Two things: first, most AR style pistol grips put a trigger too close for me. Second, following the SH online training lesson about trigger finger/hand positioning helped me a TON with my marksmanship this year. That alone would be my deciding factor in this case.

As far as bedding goes, it probably makes little difference....but again, I prefer traditional, quality epoxy bedding to the concept of the accustock.

If it were me, I would get the hunter model and one of the "M" stocks - and bed it all in nice.
 
#7
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

I say that because the BA and the FCP are the same barreled action. It'd be a flip which one is better considering there isn't a big enough difference between the two that would make one better than the other in terms of accuracy.
 
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the reason I don't want the long range hunter is that it has a slimmer non fluted barrel. For the .338 I want the heavy fluted barrel. Also I noticed the muzzle break had longer holes down the sides, will this cause a dust cloud while I'm shooting? Thanks turbo for the trigger control tip, I'll check that out!
 
#9
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I have a 110 BA and the brake has been great. It doesn't kick up dust much (as advertised) but the concussion of the shot still stirs up a little dust. It does look like they use a different brake on the other model. Do you shoot prone in dusty conditions a lot?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: methos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 110 BA and the brake has been great. It doesn't kick up dust much (as advertised) but the concussion of the shot still stirs up a little dust. It does look like they use a different brake on the other model. Do you shoot prone in dusty conditions a lot? </div></div>

Yeah it's real dusty around here, I wonder if I would be able to install a BA Brake on the FCP model if that one kicks up too much dust?
 
#11
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the reason I don't want the long range hunter is that it has a slimmer non fluted barrel. For the .338 I want the heavy fluted barrel. Also I noticed the muzzle break had longer holes down the sides, will this cause a dust cloud while I'm shooting? Thanks turbo for the trigger control tip, I'll check that out! </div></div>

Ahh..... I didn't realize the hunter model was a different barrelled action! I agree with you - get the heavy fluted barrel!

Anyway - probably gonna be tough to feel both, but if you can, try to check how each fits you, and how your hand engages the grip, and where it puts your finger on the trigger.

Remember: fingerpad on the trigger. 90° angle in the first joint of trigger finger. Dont let your finger drag along the stock. Let the rest of your grip take form only AFTER these fundamentals are met!
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I say that because the BA and the FCP are the same barreled action. It'd be a flip which one is better considering there isn't a big enough difference between the two that would make one better than the other in terms of accuracy. </div></div>

The 10 HS Precision & 10 BA use different actions. The 10 BA has a port-eject which is like the Target Action. Have not looked at the 110 BA but the 110 HS Precision has the standard action.
 
#13
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

Disclaimer: I haven't shot either rifle.

However, I have handled both, at different times, the BA first, of course. I thought it was cool, but a bit heavy (as I would expect a .338 to be, I guess). The other day, I finally got to handle the FCP. The first thing I noticed was how light it was when I picked it up. I actually said; "holy shit, this is light!". It just caught me off guard. As for the feel, I like the HS precision stock. It seems to fit me well. But such things are a personal preference, for sure.

Now, I'm just tring to convince myself that I actually NEED one of these. I'm almost there...
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The 10 HS Precision & 10 BA use different actions. The 10 BA has a port-eject which is like the Target Action. Have not looked at the 110 BA but the 110 HS Precision has the standard action.[/quote]

What is the difference between the standard action and the "port eject" type action? Is one better than the other?
 
#16
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The FCP that I handled the other day had the target port style receiver.

For the OP: The target port style action is enclosed at the top with an oval style ejection port, as opposed to the more "open" standard action. Check out Savage's website and you'll see the difference. However, some of their photos would suggest that the .338s come with a standard action. Interesting, for sure.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 10 HS Precision & 10 BA use different actions. The 10 BA has a port-eject which is like the Target Action. Have not looked at the 110 BA but the 110 HS Precision has the standard action.</div></div>

I didnt realize this.. thanks.,
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont get the BA, hell dont get either. Those cock suckers literally stole the entier chassis design from PDC and them modified just enough not to get sued.
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Sounds like PDC should have either patented, or done a better job patenting their idea. That's what patents are for. A good one encapsulates the goodness in a vague enough way that the goodness can not be legally copied.

Personally, I think it's great when a company or individual is able to take someone elses idea and change it enough to avoid infringement and make a product either cheaper or better, or both. As a consumer, I win. As an entrepreneur, it puts the ball back in my court to be creative and improve the idea more - thus making more money. Everybody wins.
 
#21
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Hey Snipedogg, what kind of dust cloud does your rifle make in prone position? If you were just bench shooting could you tell if there was a lot of side blast that would cause a dust cloud?
 
#22
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Snipedogg, what kind of dust cloud does your rifle make in prone position? If you were just bench shooting could you tell if there was a lot of side blast that would cause a dust cloud? </div></div>

It was a dry summer this year so it was dustier than normal. I've been shooting bench since the summer but I saw a guy who laid down a 4x4' canvas tarp in front of his shooting mat to combat dust getting up into his rifle. He just weighted down the corners with rocks. That pretty much eliminated dust, even from the concussion of the shot.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it just the stock that explains the ~$600 difference between the two?
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I think its the stock, bolt handle and muzzle break. I think that's it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think its the stock, bolt handle and muzzle break. I think that's it. </div></div>

Huh. Well I was feeling pretty good about $1800 out-the-door for the 110BA. Now with the 110FCP HS Precision at around $1200, the 110BA doesn't seem like such a smokin' deal.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pitch fork</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here a thread on the savage that might help you decide</div></div>

I didn't see anything there to help me decide.

What did you see that was helpful?
 
#28
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it just the stock that explains the ~$600 difference between the two?
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The butt stock - Magpul PRS ain't cheap, the tri-rail scope mount, the bolt handle, the sniper-fu grip, and that brake/muzzle-weight.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The butt stock - Magpul PRS ain't cheap</div></div>

I haven't even shot it yet, but I do think I like the stock.

Not sure I like it $600-worth, but I like it.
 
#30
Re: Help me decide on 110BA or 110FCP HS Precision

I hear ya... adjustable cheekpiece and buttstock are almost a necessity for me being 6'5", but I think I'll manage just fine with a Karsten cheekpiece and a big thick Limbsaver recoil pad to boost the LOP.
 
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