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Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

Tactical30

Tactical30

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#1
I reloaded for pistols for about 2yrs now and this is the first I have run into this little problem.

Here it is:

I was loading up some 230gr. Hornady HP/XTP bullets over 6.2gr. of Power Pistol, 1x fired Win. brass, Fed 150 Primer. Yes, I sized them and belled them.

While following Hornady's OAL @ 1.230" my reloads where sticking in the chamber. I always dissasemble my 45ACP XD and slide a couple of my fresh reloads into the barrel to make sure they are correct. These ones were sticking pretty good. I reassembled the pistol and racked one and tried to eject it (I did this at the range) it was hell trying to eject it. I had to yank the hell out of the slide to get it out. I was afraid to shoot these so I took them home.

I tried seating them deeper @ 1.210 and they had less "stick". I went to seat them even deeper @ 1.195"-1.200" (Hornady was @ 1.230" remember) and they ejected fine with no problems, no stick at all.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Im wondering is this o.k. to seat them that much deeper? .030</span>"
 
#3
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Im wondering is this o.k. to seat them that much deeper? .030</span>" </div></div>

I wouldn't worry about it. Keep an eye on all the obvious pressure signs and you should be fine.
 
#4
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

I'm not looking up the loading data for you but IF you're gonna seat deeper than the book data specifies just drop the charge maybe three tenths and you should be fine.
 
#5
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

Take one of the rounds that you have at 1.230 and color the whole thing with a black sharpie. Chamber it and take it out. It will show you where the round is sticking.
 
#7
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

Did you crimp the cases too much? I had a similar problem with a batch. Was along time ago so I'm a little fuzzy on the solution. I either ran them back through the sizing die or ran them through the Lee Factory Crimp Die
 
#8
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not looking up the loading data for you but IF you're gonna seat deeper than the book data specifies just drop the charge maybe three tenths and you should be fine. </div></div>

+1
 
#9
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

If I remember right the XTP is a fat bullet with a short nose and seats deeper into the shell. Do you shoot factory XTPs? If so, set your seating depth off of a factory round. Can't find my Hornady manual right now.
 
#10
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

That's a head scratcher. I have an XD.45 and I load my 230g fmj's to 1.230 without problem.

Obviously check the book and don't exceed minimum oal.

Did you double check your crimp die?
 
#11
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

we had an xd45 once. I already had a load that the other 45's shot no problem. Then I had to push the bullet in to get the xd to function. No problems after that, but I also wasn't loading near max. We don't have that gun anymore so I couldn't tell you what the length was.
 
#12
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

You'll be fine.

I had the same problem with Hornady XTP's at 1.230" in a Para Ordnance Superhawg. I wasn't sure what the problem was at first but upon further inspection could see where the bullet was getting stuck in the rifling. Seated them deep enough so they no longer contacted the rifling and everything is good to go.
 
#13
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 79M1a-texas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only load for two clibers - .308 &.45ACP. I use Lee's Deluxe 4-Die set. Are you crimping during the final stage? </div></div>

Yes, I always crimp my final stage with a Redding Crimp Die
 
#14
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunsnjeeps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I remember right the XTP is a fat bullet with a short nose and seats deeper into the shell. Do you shoot factory XTPs? If so, set your seating depth off of a factory round. Can't find my Hornady manual right now. </div></div>

I am pretty sure factory XTP's are longer than 1.230. I might have some to check later.

longrange try the sharpie trick, and it will show you exactly what is going on instead of guessing. I agree you will be fine seating deeper, but I would want to know where the hang up is.

 
#15
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

Concerning XTPS....One of my friends told me that when he tried loading some XTP's with his RCBS dies that due to the shape of the XTP bullet - his seater stem would not seat them straight in the case. He told me he contacted RCBS and told them the problem and they told him they could sell him a seater stem made for the XTP's.
Anyone here run into that problem using RCBS dies & XTP's?
 
#16
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45ACP

Have you checked the cases for bulging. Auto cases will bulge at the base, and sometimes full length sizing will not fix them. If this is the case you need Lee's factory crimp die and there bulge busting set. The crimp die post sizes, so it is a great die for loading .45 acp anyway. As far as seating deeper than recemended you should reduce your load, I would start at 5% below minimum charge.
 
#19
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45A

If possible run your seater die body down a little bit; then you will have to adjust the seater up (because you ran the body down) this should help taper the rim diameter at the bullet, Im led to believe this is the problem.
 
#20
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45A

I guarantee 100% that the problem is with the bullet coming in contact with the lands and has nothing to do with the case. How would seating deeper fix the problem, like he said it did, if there is anything wrong with the case like being bulged or not crimped? OP did not state that he had to resize or anything else to the cases but only seat deeper to fix the problem. Seat them deep enough so they will cycle in your gun and carry on.
 
#21
Re: Help me with this Pistol reloading Problem 45A

Maybe when he was seating them deeper he was turning the whole die in?

Instead of using the seater to adjust them........ If its a tappered crimp it will, eventualy slim the outside diameter down. So the deeper he set them the more freely they moved in the chamber. It also matters how he preps his brass and how much bells it before its seated. Alot of factors there. Just a guess.

I doubt he was pushing a hollow point into the lands when he was already below the suggested length. Unless the chambering are that tight on an XD

It's hard to say what anyone is doing at their bench when you NOT standing there! Just trying to help...
 
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