Or since everyone's talking handguns, just sign up for your next local USPSA match
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Or since everyone's talking handguns, just sign up for your next local USPSA match
Sounds like you have limited experience shooting any handgun
And maybe you should work on your grip
Thats some top notch comedy gold there! You must be something on the High School debate squad. Find a direction that somebody isn't even going and take it WAY beyond...
Now that might be your most accurate statement yet. I'm no pistol competitor but I can handle one enough to make sure its hot/not and make you dance!
1. 90% of gunfights happen within 10 ft
2. You will only use your firearm if your life or the life of a loved one is in immediate danger
3. Because the danger is immediate you will shoot until the threat is neutralized.
Based on the aforementioned realities, smoothness or weight of trigger pull will likely be less important than reliability of the firearm and your ability to manipulate the firearm when adrenaline is high and function of fine motor skills are low.
The key will be your training and preparedness, not which platform you choose.
2. You will only use your firearm if your life or the life of a loved one is in immediate danger
3. Because the danger is immediate you will shoot until the threat is neutralized.
Based on the aforementioned realities, smoothness or weight of trigger pull will likely be less important than reliability of the firearm and your ability to manipulate the firearm when adrenaline is high and function of fine motor skills are low.
The key will be your training and preparedness, not which platform you choose.
I know the g 19/17 is a solid choice and has all the after market support you can dream of, I carry a 17 for work so I have experience with it. It just doesn’t do much for me like others do, may not be the best reason to buy something different but oh well.
Read again. Someone brought up Katie Steinle.
90% of a fight might be willingness but as Larry Mudgett says, “marksmanship matters.”
I will never defensively carry anything but a hammer-fired DA/SA handgun.
I have also pretty much sworn off everything but CZs.
I still have all my other handguns, but now I only carry a P-07, or a P-01... or an SP-01 in winter clothing.
If trying to completely conceal, it can be a DA only little baby Sig.
I practice the draw with DA pull on every one of them every time I go to the range. I practice the draw and DA fire with laser inserts in the house all the time. The LASAR iPad app works well for this, showing timing and accuracy scoring. After carrying and practicing this DA/SA configuration for 35 years and a few hundred thousand rounds down range - I feel proficient if not a bit skilled even.
I have also pretty much sworn off everything but CZs.
I still have all my other handguns, but now I only carry a P-07, or a P-01... or an SP-01 in winter clothing.
If trying to completely conceal, it can be a DA only little baby Sig.
I practice the draw with DA pull on every one of them every time I go to the range. I practice the draw and DA fire with laser inserts in the house all the time. The LASAR iPad app works well for this, showing timing and accuracy scoring. After carrying and practicing this DA/SA configuration for 35 years and a few hundred thousand rounds down range - I feel proficient if not a bit skilled even.
Yes but not the guy you are trying to argue with...
Speaking of reading again, doesn't training and preparedness make for marksmanship?
I think you mean the guy who is trying to argue with me.
Yes. Is there a point linked to that thought?
Today I spent the entire range time with full gloves on.... just to make it even more difficult. The only actual difficulty was in loading mags. I love making the RSO shake his head in disbelief.
Actually I meant Huskydriver, I am not being ambiguous in directing your quotes back at you.
Well, I can finish the thought process for you. You were disagreeing with Newbie2020 that marksmanship matters when in fact his last sentence was in agreement that training and preparedness are more important than the choice of platform. Maybe you can follow me on this but if I own a firearm (platform) and I train with said firearm and prepare to use it, my marksmanship should improve/be better...
Take all of my ribbing with a grain of salt as well because I'm actually being semi-good natured and just poking you as the Hide is slow and you just happen to be the best target of opportunity at the moment. Its a sickness, what can I say.
15 yards? LOL what a chump. Like taking candy from a kid.
I bet you got your ass handed to you by DA/SA shooters more times than you know how to count.
I've had std's.
I used to shoot an 8 shot revolver with moon clips at the local USPSA matches.
Never won, but I usually ended up in the middle of the pack because I shot more A's than most.
By the way, it was a Taurus model 608.
LOL come and shoot production with your striker fired whatever. We'll see what's up
Not to ruffle any feathers, but I really don't understand the die-hard love for double action trigger pulls. It does literally nothing as well as a single action trigger pull. Accuracy? No. Speed? No. Ergonomics? No. The ONLY potential positive to DA is safety. In the hands of a novice or an idiot, it is likely more safe. But in the hands of someone who practices?
Let me put it this way: if you practice enough for firearm safety and familiarity with your platform to be muscle memory, and you're still somehow less safe with a single-action semi-auto than with a DA/SA, you should limit yourself to pepper spray.
Let me put it this way: if you practice enough for firearm safety and familiarity with your platform to be muscle memory, and you're still somehow less safe with a single-action semi-auto than with a DA/SA, you should limit yourself to pepper spray.
@Odysseus1911
I agree with your statements for the most part. That said, a pro that I have found in a DA pull is the ability to stage it during the draw. I usually stage mine to the wall and break once I’m on target. I haven’t been able to stage my SA pull as smoothly due to the lighter weight.
Yes, I did convert my DA/SA (CZ S2) over to SAO and love it more. The DA pull though was very smooth, predictable, and not difficult at all to shoot.
Now my P226’s stock DA pull sucked, but so did the SA. Put a Grey Ghost flat trigger in there and Sig’s SRT kit and it transformed both the DA and SA pull. Short DA reach and an insane SA reset. Definitely a superior weapon now. My S&W 64-3 also has a smooth DA pull and a SA that breaks like glass.
DA/SA is great for folks who don’t want a mechanical safety, likes hammer fired handguns, and likes the ability for double strike capability.
Whatever you use, whether striker, DA/SA, DAO, or SAO, the most important thing is that you train on it. Folks get all wrapped up around the axle on which one is better. They all work great. Find what you enjoy most and become extremely familiar with it. A pro shooter shooting a stock Glock 43 is going to whoop up on me with my CZ S2 SAO due to having far more training than I do.
Anyways, just my opinion.
I agree with your statements for the most part. That said, a pro that I have found in a DA pull is the ability to stage it during the draw. I usually stage mine to the wall and break once I’m on target. I haven’t been able to stage my SA pull as smoothly due to the lighter weight.
Yes, I did convert my DA/SA (CZ S2) over to SAO and love it more. The DA pull though was very smooth, predictable, and not difficult at all to shoot.
Now my P226’s stock DA pull sucked, but so did the SA. Put a Grey Ghost flat trigger in there and Sig’s SRT kit and it transformed both the DA and SA pull. Short DA reach and an insane SA reset. Definitely a superior weapon now. My S&W 64-3 also has a smooth DA pull and a SA that breaks like glass.
DA/SA is great for folks who don’t want a mechanical safety, likes hammer fired handguns, and likes the ability for double strike capability.
Whatever you use, whether striker, DA/SA, DAO, or SAO, the most important thing is that you train on it. Folks get all wrapped up around the axle on which one is better. They all work great. Find what you enjoy most and become extremely familiar with it. A pro shooter shooting a stock Glock 43 is going to whoop up on me with my CZ S2 SAO due to having far more training than I do.
Anyways, just my opinion.
Now that's interesting. A little like using the two stage trigger on many precision rifles. Maybe there's an application for a two stage in handguns?
i see your point, but in a home invasion situation, my wife or daughter may be as likely as myself to need a weapon, and while they have both been trained on several platofrms, i would not want them behind me with a 3lb trigger when they are scared to death.
@Odysseus1911
Yes, thats how I view it. Much more of a “rolling” two stage though as opposed to a hard wall when in DA. The SA pull on my 226 and S2 does have an actual wall though.
DA: pull, roll, bang
SA: takeup, bang
Yes, thats how I view it. Much more of a “rolling” two stage though as opposed to a hard wall when in DA. The SA pull on my 226 and S2 does have an actual wall though.
DA: pull, roll, bang
SA: takeup, bang
Sign up in practiscore for Production in any match in the greater Dayton-Cincinnati area. Bring the Glock.
Don’t think STI is considered production.
Why are you afraid of shooting Production?
I thought you were all about "strikers are better than DA/SA" Get your Glock out and come on in.
Plus I'm not stupid enough to shoot Limited minor...…..
Come on now, everyone has to have a hobby. It's just what he does.
This thread turned into a pathetic school yard pissing match.
Some of you guys really need to get a life offline.
Some of you guys really need to get a life offline.
So, did @Mossyoak44 make a decision about what firearm he is going with?
I’ve been working both my jobs pretty hard lately with all this virus crap happening so I haven’t had time to hit the range and shoot a few guns. Hopefully soon things will calm down and I can get back to what’s important and fun
I've settled in with the Ruger American 9 Pro. Striker, trigger blade insert safety (Glock style), reconfigurable grip insert, 17rd magazines, Loaded chamber view notch, and the best accuracy out of a handgun of mine so far with zero malfunctions to date. I should shoot more, but I do shoot enough to have confidence in the RAP. It's a full size military pattern handgun, a perfect fit for the Condor Tactical Leg Holster I picked up at the local Davis-Monthan AFB Base Exchange.
One especially interesting and practical feature is the magazine commonality with the Ruger PC Carbine. The RC Carbine operates with an interchangeable mag well. They make 3, include 2, and the RAP well isn't one of the two. I think it's well worth getting the third one (RAP - Ruger American Pistol) from Brownell's, as I did; quick and painless, easy to install at home.
Having 17rd magazines, and a dot scope on the carbine; and the shoulder fired carbine shoots nicely as well. It provides a practical 9mm capability at out to at least 100yd; I shoot 124gr RN and HST with confidence.
The pair were acquired to have a capability for local 2-gun shoots; but that goal remains unfulfilled. It will happen.
Virus notwithstanding, being cooped up; I'm well into a complete shop update, with a second bench and a lot of shelving. It's a self designed modular unit system, all wood (1-by...), and incorporates both ergonomics and esthetics.
Greg
One especially interesting and practical feature is the magazine commonality with the Ruger PC Carbine. The RC Carbine operates with an interchangeable mag well. They make 3, include 2, and the RAP well isn't one of the two. I think it's well worth getting the third one (RAP - Ruger American Pistol) from Brownell's, as I did; quick and painless, easy to install at home.
Having 17rd magazines, and a dot scope on the carbine; and the shoulder fired carbine shoots nicely as well. It provides a practical 9mm capability at out to at least 100yd; I shoot 124gr RN and HST with confidence.
The pair were acquired to have a capability for local 2-gun shoots; but that goal remains unfulfilled. It will happen.
Virus notwithstanding, being cooped up; I'm well into a complete shop update, with a second bench and a lot of shelving. It's a self designed modular unit system, all wood (1-by...), and incorporates both ergonomics and esthetics.
Greg
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Thanks everyone for your replies and knowledge you have shared. I decided and bought a CZ p10c. Loving it so far! I will probably get a p07 too down the road cause I really like hammer fired DA/SA pistols and using the same mags is a plus. My p10c came with 3 mags and I was able to find 4 more online so pretty happy about that. Thank you again everyone
My vore- glock 19. I went thru the mental exercise to the point of paralysis by analysis. Buddy said he had a gen 4 glock 19 cheap. I said sold. Reliable as the mail. Ugly as shit. Shoots ok. I did a trigger bar and some sights and that's it. It's a tool. I shoot it weekly. I have other more fun guns, but the glock is my hammer.
It's all about fighting to a rifle anyways, and which would you mind being in police custody for a year?
ETA- I came up shooting beretta 92 and HK USP. Never really had a problem getting first round hits. I also shot a lot of revolver(still do).
It's all about fighting to a rifle anyways, and which would you mind being in police custody for a year?
ETA- I came up shooting beretta 92 and HK USP. Never really had a problem getting first round hits. I also shot a lot of revolver(still do).
One thing to strongly consider before purchasing a handgun is holster/accessory availability and selection. Some of these new pistols are great but it’s very difficult to find holsters and accessories for them. I personally limit myself to brands/models commonly carried by police/military (Sig 320, M&P, Glocks). These pistols are all proven workhorses and everyone makes accessories for them. My person choice is the M&P. In stock form it’s an average pistol, but with an Apex trigger, barrel, and 10-8 sights it’s perfect for me. I use G-Code holsters for CCW and Safariland for duty.
I really like the PPQ and it was my favorite until I picked up a Grand Power. I still like the PPQ but I can get back on target much faster with the Grand Power as it's less flippy. They are available in most action and caliber flavors. The bog standard k100 in 9mm suits me quite nicely. I tried a VP9 out and it felt like a PPQ with a glock trigger to me.
Down the road when you decide to get the P 07 you will have the ability to change from a decocker to a safety and carry it lock and loaded giving it a SA feel, if you desire. Also, look at MCarbo for the spring kit to lighten the trigger.
CZ P07 / CZ P09 Trigger Spring Kit
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Down the road when you decide to get the P 07 you will have the ability to change from a decocker to a safety and carry it lock and loaded giving it a SA feel, if you desire. Also, look at MCarbo for the spring kit to lighten the trigger.
CZ P07 / CZ P09 Trigger Spring Kit
Precision Machined CZ P07 Aftermarket Parts for Superior Performance and Reliability! American Made CZ P07 Accessories and CZ P09 Accessories by Combat Veterans! Reduce your CZ P07 Trigger Pull with the M*CARBO CZ P07 Trigger Spring Kit!
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Thank you, I appreciate your recommendations. I have my tax return coming snd I could see p07 in the horizon
I haven’t had chance to fondle a Grand Power but I’ll make more of an effort now. I like finding new guns to try and drool over
BTW, I don't know why CZ does this, but they put a lanyard attachment on some of the P07s and not others. If you happen to get one with the lanyard attachment and don't want it it is an easy fix. You can get one here:
or here
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I run a Sig 226 Legion and 229 Legion in the SAO models. They are awesome guns. 100% reliable and incredibly accurate for production guns.
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