I just read about them getting bought out, is that why?Anything but Defiance.......hahaha........nothing wrong with their actions though.........
Ern
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Why not Defiance? Asking for a friend…Anything but Defiance.......hahaha........nothing wrong with their actions though.........
Ern
My personal experience has been with Defiance- Deviant and Tenacity, Stiller TAC30, and Lone Peak Fuzion.
If I were to get another it would be Lone Peak Fuzion or Defiance Deviant.
If I were to get another it would be Lone Peak Fuzion or Defiance Deviant.
If someone tells you to get a non-R700 clone as your first custom action, run the other direction as fast as you can. Hell, for the vast majority of shooters with custom actions, R700 "clones" are what they go with every time. With all the high-end accessories available, it's hard to make an argument for anything else - outside the most edgy of edge cases.
Recommendation:
- Get an Impact, or...
- Get a Defiance, or...
- Get a Lone Peak
- I've shot all three, and they are all excellent. You can't go wrong with any of them. Likely it will come down to which you can get the quickest.
If you don't mind having to grind off the edge of the extractor to get them to run with a spuhr.Get a Lone Peak
Mike R.
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Happy to recommend big horn, even with the Origin having gone up in price in recent years. The last one I got is nitrided and very nice. Selling point right now is the number of used prefits around between savage and origin and TL3 (with the HLR lug). The new Aero action coming out is going to use their prefit specs as well.
Okay CobraCutter . How many times you even banned?
For my closer in rifles, I go with an integral 20 moa base and a 20 moa mount. That's going to get you close to bottoming out to zero at 100. On my 300 PRC with an M7xi I run the 20/20 and with the 28 mil max vertical the scope gives me, I barely get to zero with my 40 moa total - 50 moa wouldn't be possible. At 40, I max out at about 2100 yards by dialing, give or take, depending on conditions. Unfortunately, the reticle isn't a great holdover reticle, so going farther is problematic.
Many scopes have 30 mil max elevation (-15 to +15 mil), and a select few go up to 34. For 30, you can barely get 50 moa and still zero at 100.
Long story short, if you go 40 moa total between base and mount, you can mount pretty much any scope you want and still zero at 100. At 50 moa total, you have some minor limitations, and at 60, you'd have quite a few that would be ruled out. That's why I like to not limit myself by going too far with an integral base. Go relatively small (20) and make up the rest with a mount. You can always go up or down on the mount.
On my 37XC, I run a March Genesis. I had my action built with 30 moa, but with the Genesis, I don't have to worry about it. I get 86 mil of total vertical - and it's offset for a -14 to +72, so with a 30 moa rail I get roughly -6 to +80. +80 gets me out a long way
I recommend Impact or Lone Peak, can’t go wrong with either, but my personal preference is the Impact. I own several brands: Impact, lone peak, terminus, Curtis, Bat, Defiance, AI, ARC, and probably others that I forgot about. They all have their strong points and design features. I like the impact because they are simple and a proven design and comes with the trigger hanger. The hanger makes trigger changes simple and easy in the field. Prefits are readily available and every Impact that I have ever measured is right on the money.
Should have some impacts as well as lone peaks coming in a few weeks. PM me if interested. If you don’t already have a dealer in mind.
Should have some impacts as well as lone peaks coming in a few weeks. PM me if interested. If you don’t already have a dealer in mind.
Consolidated List of Custom "Tactical" Actions & Features
This will never be 100% correct and in the perfect "gun language". Add your feedback to this thread and I'll update the spreadsheet. Reload to see updates. Link to see full spreadsheet on Google Sheets.
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I had an action with a trigger hanger, but the smith red loctited the trigger hanger screw, so I couldn't get the trigger out without a blow torch. I wanted to swap the trigger shoe so bad, but never got the chance.
Yes if going to run a big rail you need to know how much elevation you have in the scope. I currently running a 50 moa rail and zero at 100 yards. I was referencing @SeekingNorth saying you should be able to choose the angle on an integral rail when no one offers that. Yes there is the adjustable bases but those aren't always an ideal solution.
Defiance has elevation options for their integral rails.
ARC's rails aren't integral, but every bit as solid how they are designed. Different rail options for them.
Hunting rifle recommendation goes to Lone Peak...both my Lone Peak Fusion TI actions run slick as snail shit.
Tactical rife recommendation goes to Surgeon,, all have ran smooth.
Still breaking in the AI AXSR.. 700 rounds on the action and she's smoothing out!
Tactical rife recommendation goes to Surgeon,, all have ran smooth.
Still breaking in the AI AXSR.. 700 rounds on the action and she's smoothing out!
The biggest difference when it comes to custom, are the offered features and options. Now, as it has been said previously, that really depends on the manufacturer...
Steel, Titanium, Aluminum?
Left or right handed?
Model 7, Short, Medium, Medium +, Long, XL length?
.700 or .750 bolt?
60° or 90° bolt throw? (Yes, there are others, but for simplicity sake)
Dual, tri, or even 6 lugs?
Tenon thread depth?
Right ejection or left ejection port?
Ejection port length?
Magazine type? (there are well over a dozen)
Safety, no safety, 3-position safety?
Engraving?
Tang style?
Bolt stop style?
Integral, pinned, blind recoil lug?
Bolt nose style?
Mini 16, plate, or mauser claw extractor?
Spiral, diamond, straight, non fluting?
Right or left spiral fluting?
Shallow, standard, deep, x-deep fluting?
Bolt handle style?
Bolt knob style?
Bolt face diameter?
0, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, or even 100 MOA top rail?
4, 6, or even no top screws?
Bolt shroud style/material?
Firing pin diameter?
And many, many more...
There are literally over a million ways an action can be set-up to an individuals wants and needs. For some, many of those options hold no value necessarily, yet for others with very specific needs, they are of extreme value with only a few manufacturers even capable of producing that feature for them. Luckily, there are a lot of great options on the market for shooters, including us.
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Adjustable MOA or MIL mounts:
0-70 MOA or 0-20 MIL
The WTC Elevation Adjustable Scope Base goes up to 120 MOA... https://www.warner-tool.com/product/adjustable-scope-base/
I have a few Zermats (which I love), I have a Zues, and I have 2 Curtis Valors. I like running the Valors best also. They are just easier to run and slick as snot, and yes, very fast. Any of the top tier actions are outstanding though, but I do agree with you about the Curtis. It's nearly identical to the Zeus with a few minor differences, but for whatever reason it seems like the bolt lift is lighter on the Valors and they just run super easy and drop into place so effortlessly and quickly.
I went through this exact same internal debate recently. I looked at all the typical recommendations and weighed them out. I ended up going with a Terminus Zeus QC.
This is my first build, and the only custom action I own, so take it for what it's worth.
But for me, the ability to assemble it myself and not have to pay any gunsmith fees or buy any extra tools made it worth it. All I had to buy was a couple of go/ no go gauges.
And it's pretty cool that I can swap barrels in a minute. Which for me, meant I only had to buy one chassis, trigger and optic, but could essentially have multiple rifles, just by buying different barrels.
I also like that I can text the owner of the company with any questions and he's gotten back to me immediately every time. Really helpful for a first-timer like me.
Just throwing that out there as an option. I've never handled any of the other usual suspects (Impact, Lone Peak, Defiance, etc) but I'd guess there really is no wrong answer.
Good luck amigo!
This is my first build, and the only custom action I own, so take it for what it's worth.
But for me, the ability to assemble it myself and not have to pay any gunsmith fees or buy any extra tools made it worth it. All I had to buy was a couple of go/ no go gauges.
And it's pretty cool that I can swap barrels in a minute. Which for me, meant I only had to buy one chassis, trigger and optic, but could essentially have multiple rifles, just by buying different barrels.
I also like that I can text the owner of the company with any questions and he's gotten back to me immediately every time. Really helpful for a first-timer like me.
Just throwing that out there as an option. I've never handled any of the other usual suspects (Impact, Lone Peak, Defiance, etc) but I'd guess there really is no wrong answer.
Good luck amigo!
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