Honest question here, truing, blueprinting,,,,,,,

[drafter]

Honest question here, truing, blueprinting,,,,,,,is it worth it?
Does anyone have hard proven data of how much their groups shrunk after truing and blueprinting?
Meaning, you owned the rifle BEFORE work was performed. You use the same ammo, same location, same weather, same everything as much as possible?
How much did you invest $$$ and how much better is your weapon?

 

[supercorndogs]

Not sure if it was the truing or the Kreiger barrel, but my .308 shot better after the re-barrel.

 

[1J04]

A gun related question in the Pit. This could go 2 ways. Who am I kidding, this should be entertaining to say the least.

 

[supercorndogs]

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/trued-rem-700-action-beneficial.6917745/

 

[1J04]

Not sure if it was the truing or the Kreiger barrel, but my .308 shot better after the re-barrel.

First thing that came to mind. If you're gonna blueprint an action, who the hell is putting the same barrel back on. lol

I can say this on that. I built my "Hide" gun a couple years ago as a fun project. All Remington 700 pieces, action and new pulled Sendero Barrel. Had them blueprinted and picked up EVERYTHING else here piece by piece. It's a helluva shooter. May very well be my most accurate gun I own. Won't know till I'm done with load development on another very good prospect.

 

[Threadcutter308]

A gun related question in the Pit. This could go 2 ways. Who am I kidding, this should be entertaining to say the least.

Lessee......are you a .45 or a 9 guy ? (that ought to do it....... )

 

[Threadcutter308]

Honest question here, truing, blueprinting,,,,,,,is it worth it?
Does anyone have hard proven data of how much their groups shrunk after truing and blueprinting?
Meaning, you owned the rifle BEFORE work was performed. You use the same ammo, same location, same weather, same everything as much as possible?
How much did you invest $$$ and how much better is your weapon?

Serious reply now;

The single biggest difference to me by going with a "custom" (Bighorn TL-2's) was getting a decent friggin' bolt handle. The Gawd damn bolt handle/ergonomics on the 700 just sucks. Conversely, one of the 700's that I trued was and remains the most accurate rifle I have ever owned (Lilja barrel, .308W, 10 twist).

Would I go with a "custom" action over a trued 700 nowadays ? Absolutely !

 

[Rthur]

Honest question here, truing, blueprinting,,,,,,,is it worth it?
Does anyone have hard proven data of how much their groups shrunk after truing and blueprinting?
Meaning, you owned the rifle BEFORE work was performed. You use the same ammo, same location, same weather, same everything as much as possible?
How much did you invest $$$ and how much better is your weapon?

What is your definition of accuracy?
How far do you expect the rifle to be able to project that "accuracy"?
How well can you shoot at these ranges with current choices?
Are you interested in having the ancillary equipment to perform these tasks?
Do you reload?
What is your budget to achieve these goals?

R

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Blueprint your rifle, or do t blueprint it. I don't GAF.
I will not be baited into askhole games ever again.
If you are asking this question, then you can't afford it. You are also the kind of guy who will pester the absolute greasy fuck out of a gunsmith I'm betting.

Buy you a Savage, that's what you really want anyway. The cheaper the better.
Their "out of the box" accuracy rivals the best custom guns out there. Just do it.

Now don't go getting butt hurt, this is the Pit.

But I'm not joking, you got my real advice.

 

[Nik H]

Blueprint your rifle, or do t blueprint it. I don't GAF.
I will not be baited into askhole games ever again.
If you are asking this question, then you can't afford it. You are also the kind of guy who will pester the absolute greasy fuck out of a gunsmith I'm betting.

Buy you a Savage, that's what you really want anyway. The cheaper the better.
Their "out of the box" accuracy rivals the best custom guns out there. Just do it.

Now don't go getting butt hurt, this is the Pit.

But I'm not joking, you got my real advice.

WOW....but it is the Pit

 

[MtnCreek]

I want to hear from the folks that have setup a custom action to read runout. What did they find?

Great barrel + great smith chambering makes the difference IMHO.

Strait Rem 700 vs smooth other with more runout, I'll take the slick action.

 

[MtnCreek]

Bolt action forum will net better answers than this nest of assholes...

 

[Spblademaker]

Blueprinting and truing only work with MIl scopes.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Bolt action forum will net better answers than this nest of assholes...

Now that is ugly Mountain, plum ugly. But not as ugly as s pot of boiling assholes.

@drafter I apologize, you may not deserve what I laid out there.
My experience has made me crotchety.
If you could find it in your heart to forgive me...

WTF! Am I doing. Get out of here with this rifle question shit.

Dang sorry again. I'm off my meds.

 

[MtnCreek]

Now that is ugly Mountain, plum ugly. But not as ugly as s pot of boiling assholes.

@drafter I apologize, you may not deserve what I laid out there.
My experience has made me crotchety.
If you could find it in your heart to forgive me...

WTF! Am I doing. Get out of here with this rifle question shit.

Dang sorry again. I'm off my meds.

 

[Spblademaker]

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I'm at step eleven....."embracing".

 

[powdahound76]

Blueprinting will make your junk not only a little longer, it will increase girth too!


Then, with the lady more satisfied you can easily convincer her you should spend the money upgrade the barska to one of them fancy CounterSniper military contract optics.

Depends. Blueprint through LRI with their bargains and dont get silly with add-ons and coatings you dont need and its pretty affordable. Buy an action super cheap, parts for cheap, etc.

Or watch the ads here and find some dumb butt who has one for sale for cheaper than you can pay someone to do it. Virtually new. (Hint, look at my posts today.......?).

Really. You can do a basic tune job and rebarrel with LRI pretty darn cheap. They flat out shoot. Not as fancy, snooth, or nice, and dang can they shoot.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Dang sorry again. I'm off my meds.

Double up ?

 

[Dewey7271]

That one derailed within 10.
For a bunch of assholes we are slipping. Usually only takes 2 or 3.

 

[MtnCreek]

Off topic, but LRI was the last smith I used. Just for something I fucked up but they earned my next build or rebarrel. Updates with a couple photos, quick work and they were super easy to communicate with.

 

[Dewey7271]

And serious answer, yes, I believe it makes a difference.
Had 2 700s done but at the same time rebarreled. So was it the barrels or truing? Don’t know. Can’t empirically prove it.
A side product was mental. I thought the rifles were better so I shot em better.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

That one derailed within 10.
For a bunch of assholes we are slipping. Usually only takes 2 or 3.

Look I'm an old man that works night shift. I was sleeping and didn't see it soon enough.
I was a bit groggy when I found it so my responses were ham handed and lacking my usual wit and subtlety.

I can only promise to do better next time.
My apologies gentlemen.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

side product was mental. I thought the rifles were better so I shot em better.

Bingo....I used to give this advise all the time....when I gave advice.

"If you believe you are playing better because you are getting laid, or because you are not getting laid, or because you are wearing ladies underwear, then you are, and you should know that."
Crash Davis

 

[Threadcutter308]

Look I'm an old man that works night shift. I was sleeping and didn't see it soon enough.
I was a bit groggy when I found it so my responses were ham handed and lacking my usual wit and subtlety.

I can only promise to do better next time.
My apologies gentlemen.

But..... we like the Crusty...........Don't go Shane !........

 

[Bender]

Off topic, but LRI was the last smith I used. Just for something I fucked up but they earned my next build or rebarrel. Updates with a couple photos, quick work and they were super easy to communicate with.

LRI is THE smith to use when you want it fast AND done right. Chad is the boss at getting it done.

 

[drafter]

hahahahahahahah
OK, I see there's a place to post questions, and this is NOT the place. No problem. My bad.

 

[MtnCreek]

hahahahahahahah
OK, I see there's a place to post questions, and this is NOT the place. No problem. My bad.

No; this is the place. Ask whatever you want. You will get answers... :-D

 

[drafter]

Nah, I'm a quick learner, even at my age.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

No don't go @drafter !
I'm sorry. You used one of my trigger phrases, "hard proven data". When I hear or read those words.....well I'll have to show you. It takes me back to a time when my opinions were highly regarded as valuable, there was an "incident" with some 30 something living "on the crete" in his mother's house. I don't want to get into too much detail, but this video will illustrate the general tone of the incident. Like Johnny, I was never "right" again, and can be set off with certain key words:

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Honest question here, truing, blueprinting,,,,,,,is it worth it?
Does anyone have hard proven data of how much their groups shrunk after truing and blueprinting?
Meaning, you owned the rifle BEFORE work was performed. You use the same ammo, same location, same weather, same everything as much as possible?
How much did you invest $$$ and how much better is your weapon?

Now, you see,,, don't get yourself all caught up in the latest marketing schemes. Them're all Make-Work projects so that smiths can justify investing in all that fancy equipment in their shops.

What you wanna-do here is, hang tight just a little bit longer for the super whiz-bang caliber that is taking all the records by storm. It's still in development stage and won't be released to the public just yet. But the Military is looking to revamp ALL their supply lines to this new super whiz-bang caliber. It's so good, it even fills the holes back in after shooting. Just to show the smaller groups.

You gots you a dremel yet?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

You gon needa dremml....sho nuff!

 

[supercorndogs]

First thing that came to mind. If you're gonna blueprint an action, who the hell is putting the same barrel back on. lol

I can say this on that. I built my "Hide" gun a couple years ago as a fun project. All Remington 700 pieces, action and new pulled Sendero Barrel. Had them blueprinted and picked up EVERYTHING else here piece by piece. It's a helluva shooter. May very well be my most accurate gun I own. Won't know till I'm done with load development on another very good prospect.

Did they recut the threads on the barrel and the action?

My 700p 300wm was a great shooter with the factory barrel. At least as good as the Criterion thats on there now. I have a 700 XCR long range in 223 that has been awesome. I think its about toast. I have had pretty good luck with factory barrels. Primary extraction is the big point they have let me down. A good truing job addresses this.

IMO, the best answer I have ever read to this question was in the thread I linked, given by great rifle builder.