I think you have this backward. The center of mass is moved forward since the aluminum is more dense than the plastic or hollow tip and it's also longer than their plastic tips. This results in a better BC based on better bullet stability in flight.
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I think you have this backward. The center of mass is moved forward since the aluminum is more dense than the plastic or hollow tip and it's also longer than their plastic tips. This results in a better BC based on better bullet stability in flight.
It said in the video that the CG was moved backward. Yes aluminum is more dense than polymer, but way less than lead, and it sounds like they used the Al to make the tip bigger in these.
Yea I'm fucked up there. Might have been confused because the CG is now farther back but the ogive moved back also.
I knew they were working on an ATip but damn. I've known many of the people at Hornady for many years. All smart guys but kudos go to Steve and Jason Hornady for providing the resources needed and turning these guys loose. For as long as I've known them the atmosphere at Hornady is one of innovation. My hats off to them.
The bxc i have for my 300wsm are nice but its a blunt nose aluminum tip with a shitty bc designed to punch through heavy bone and muscle, I don't think these A-tip compare well. Kinda apples and oranges.
Edit: I watched the 17 minute video and these sound like they designed them for prs and matches, where as the Browning bxc is a hunting bullet and the aluminum tip on those is what helps push the nose of the bullet in and expand. I'd be curious those if they've tested these a-tip on game and how they performed.
I remember talking with a very knowledgeable gentleman about a year ago that mentioned some incredible things on the horizon in the area of bullet development
Someone mentioned .338's coming out, i kinda hope they come out with a nice .375 too and go after the eld market that isn't a solid lathe turned bullet.
Right.. my meaning was simply that the aluminum tip itself doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t perform on game, it’s likely what’s under that tip that will determine that.
That makes perfect sense to me. The ATips are purpose built for distance and speed.
I haven't asked the question yet but unless the ATips have a thick jacket, which I'm sure they don't, the aluminum tip would facilitate rapid expansion. Probably to the point that Hornady couldn't recommend them as a hunting bullet.
For sure, but Berger didn’t advertise hybrids as hunting bullets for the longest time and still mostly don’t. One of those situation where if it doesn’t work it’s no failure, however....
Personally, I don't see being able to justify the costs of these for PRS use over the 108 ELDs I have been shooting, but I can definitely see these getting used in a dedicated ELR role. The 135s or 153s would be right at home in my SAUM, I think.
So any chance they are going to offer these for people that don’t reload.
you'd think
Have you shot their 338 257 grains?Here's what you want for the 338's... https://www.lehighdefense.com/index.php?_route_=all/338-ap-wu-300gr-bullet
For my 338 Edge Ive had great luck with the Hornady 285 ELDs
Based on what a hornady employee was saying on FB in the PRC group no there is not. They plan to expand to other calibers but not to loaded ammo at this time.
My guess is they cannot get the level of quality out if their brass/ load process as these bullets demand
interesting...
I have actually! They shot very well, but I ran out of them and never re-ordered them. The 285g ELD's run neck and neck with them I've discovered so I just stuck with them.
I doubt that is what the problem is at all. These bullets are for the person that wants complete control over their rounds.
Looking at the 250 grain .30cal A tip besides a 300Prc, or 300 Norma what other brass casing is ideal to launch this fast? 300 rum? interested in ideas...
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I was interested potentially in the 110g 6mm's out of my Dasher but I see where the necessary special seating stem is not compatible with other manufacturers' dies. So what's the easiest way to potentially load these for a Dasher?
Yea I really don’t see the need for a super consistent bullet in box ammo when manufactured ammo just can’t be controlled the same without astronomical cost.
are people actually going to use hornady dies for these bullets? If they will not seat with stems in Redding, Forster or Whidden dies, thats a non-starter for me.
Fortunately for you, all three of these die makers will grind a seating stem for you if you ask nicely.
Never had to have that done, so thanks for the tip.
Or you take an existing stem, and make a seater fit with some acraglas and release agent...
Lots of ways to skin that cat...
Lots of ways to skin that cat...
FWIW, brownells looks like theyll have the best prices for the launch.
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What was the new release?
Edit: Today’s not Friday yet. Just too curious! So much suspense lately.
Does anyone else think the 250s may not have a role to serve? It seems even the 30-338L, 300NM, 300RUM guys are sticky to the 215-225 class. Berger seems to have shelved the 245, and Sierra appears to have discontinued the 240 smk. Is there anything that can push them fast enough?
what do energy and ballistics look like? even slower smaller cartridges
308 subs? haha
It's not just about the consistency of this bullet, that's part of the bonus from the manufacturing process. By shifting the center of gravity rearward these projectiles are a step beyond standard polymer/otm bullets that are going to enhance dynamic/gyroscopic stability and transition well through transonic/subsonic speeds.
They are sticky to them because there is currently nothing heavier unless you want to split hairs and include the Berger 230. Any one of those cartridges should push the 250 to 2700-2750 which is the same range as a 338 Lapua with 300 gr bullets. The 250 gr bc exceeds the 338 offerings by a considerable margin so I don't see the hesitation.
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Well, Sierra had the 240s and discontinued them, one would assume because of lack of sales. You could conclude if they outperformed the 215 berger, they wouldn't have lacked for sale.
Total conjecture on my end, and it won't stop me from trying them, but seems like a valid question.
The 240 was completely out dated and being out performed by newer lighter bullets.
just a little more digging into the 250gr 30 cal, it looks like it will be the longest bullet on the market (save for maybe some boutique makers im not familiar with)
Hornady A-Tip - 1.858"
Berger 230 - 1.602"
Warner - 1.80"
edit: looks like Cutting Edge has a 240gr Lazer, not listed on their site, but I have to imagine that would be considerably longer.
Hornady A-Tip - 1.858"
Berger 230 - 1.602"
Warner - 1.80"
edit: looks like Cutting Edge has a 240gr Lazer, not listed on their site, but I have to imagine that would be considerably longer.
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Does anyone else think the 250s may not have a role to serve? It seems even the 30-338L, 300NM, 300RUM guys are sticky to the 215-225 class. Berger seems to have shelved the 245, and Sierra appears to have discontinued the 240 smk. Is there anything that can push them fast enough?
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Everyone has stuck with 215-225 range because there wasn't a viable option to go heavier. Although the 240 SMK was an accurate bullet, just not sexy enough. There is always a learning curve when exploring new territory. I'm betting as soon as required performance parameters that Hornady knows gets out everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the 250's.
I'll remind everyone regardless of caliber as we go to the heavier extremes in bullet weight we, sane people that is, quickly reach max velocity/performance regardless of case capacity. There is a wall we run into.
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Everyone has stuck with 215-225 range because there wasn't a viable option to go heavier. Although the 240 SMK was an accurate bullet, just not sexy enough. There is always a learning curve when exploring new territory. I'm betting as soon as required performance parameters that Hornady knows gets out everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the 250's.
I'll remind everyone regardless of caliber as we go to the heavier extremes in bullet weight we, sane people that is, quickly reach max velocity/performance regardless of case capacity. There is a wall we run into.
Hornady should include a 5th of Crown Royal in the polish bag to make the pricing more palatable.
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they do give you a nice polishing bag!
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hornadykestrel.com Wonder if this is what @Lowlight was referring to??
hope not. i had my hopes way up based on his teases.Hornady Kestrel 5700 Ballistics Weather Meter with Hornady 4DOF
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Wonder if this is what @Lowlight was referring to??
I mean if you don’t have a kestrel and use a bullet in the hornady 4dof library this is a pretty cool option.
I have been holding off on buying one because 4dof has been so good to me. Might have to reconsider especially if it has 4dof and uses the normal kestrel mode (AB) for bullets not in the library.
Edit: Only say that about AB because I have never used the Hornady BC calculator very well, but have had success using a buddy’s 5700 for bullets not in the Hornady library.
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Wonder if this is what @Lowlight was referring to??
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Wonder if this is what @Lowlight was referring to??
