What I understand from using the 4 DOF software in the Hornady App is that the axial from factor is used opposed to a BC. In the app it provides a simplistic way to "True" your data at distance on a chart. Would anyone be able to provide any insight on how this (Truing Data) is accomplished in the 4 DOF Kestrel? Photos and screen shots are greatly appreciated.TMOA is true MOA and is usually what your scope is, Smoa is shooters MOA and rounds down to 1 inch
Kestrel does not read altitude, it uses Station Pressure for calculations
Angle is manually entered in the target submenu, it is not read from the app, but you phone may be able to provide that info
A chart of yardage would be a Range Card and is not available in a 5700 Kestrel, only the Elite
The Hornady Kestrel can store 3 gun profiles, more can be stored in the App and transferred as needed.
Axial Form Factor is recommended for calibrating the Hornady Kestrel, however Muzzle Velocity is also user definable
Sorry for the ignorance, but I shoot long range and have a Kestrel 5700 Elite.Here are the links for the Hornady Kestrel user guides:
Your current Elite has the Applied Ballistics solver. The Hornady 4dof is only in the HornadyKestrel 5700.Sorry for the ignorance, but I shoot long range and have a Kestrel 5700 Elite.
1.) can I use my current 5700 Elite or do I have to purchase a Kestrel/Hornady 4DOF?
2.) do I have to have a smart phone to run this ballistics program?
3.) how do you obtain the shooting angle? Is that included in the Kestrel/Hornady app or is it an app for a smart phone?
4.) if I have to have a smart phone to run this program (Kestrel/Hornady), what are the phone requirements?
You have some options you need to evaluate, look here for what each meter provides and then ask some questions about some specifics. If you are OK with $699 the Elite is the quick answer, more limited solutions are available at lower prices.First post from a new shooter ... interested in the 5700 Elite Hornady Model ... want to link to a Leica range finder and the Hornady IPhone app. Shoot Hornady 6.5mm 140 ELD-M which I assume is in the Library but also want to use with Federal GM Match 190G with my .300WM. Two active gun profiles but perhaps a few more.
1. Which Kestral 5700 version do I need?
2. For old school use, can I print out and modify DOPE data?
Can the 4DOF Bluetooth to the rangefinder? On the range cards, can one do a screen print or do I need to take a photo of the screen? Can I display/scroll through the inputs to build a paper model?You have some options you need to evaluate, look here for what each meter provides and then ask some questions about some specifics. If you are OK with $699 the Elite is the quick answer, more limited solutions are available at lower prices.
The Kestrel line of ballistics weather meters are the best ballistic weather meters on the market and combine environmental measurements with a ballistics calculator, allowing for higher target shooting accuracy.kestrelinstruments.com
Printing out dope cards is not a feature of the Kestrel. Range cards are on the screen, only an AA battery away.
Still no decision on the future of the Hornady Kestrel. I believe that both AB and Hornady use "dopler" radar to create their custom curves and 4DOF solvers, I am not aware of any "dopler" specific model.Or a Hornady Model being a software upgrade to the Elite? I’m sure I read some on Snipershide that a “dopler” Model was being added to the AB library ... is this the same as the 4DOF?
The 4DOF library is growing every day. If it is not listed then you would need to see if AB has a custom curve for the bullet, if yes, you would need a Kestrel Elite to get the custom curves. If the bullet is not in the custom curve library you will end up building your own profile in either model.What if a bullet is not listed in the 4DOF file? Would I be better off using the model with the AB software?
You need a phone or tablet that runs these operating systems:I currently do not have a smart-phone. Does anyone know what phone requirements are needed to operate the 4DOF program? I do have a Kestrel 5700 Elite. I only need the phone to use with the 4DOF and not for anything else, so I want the least expensive option.
When you upload profiles from the Kestrel to the app, all files on the Kestrel are uploaded so if 3 profiles are on the kestrel and also on the app, you will end up with 2 sets of identical 3 profiles in the app. Managing names is key. Try deleting the profile from the app first or change the name of the trued profile, maybe add a T so it is different when it gets uploaded to the app. The Kestrel memory is limited and naming conventions end up necessary for multi-loads.Since the 4DOF Kestrel only holds 3 "guns" at a time (and gun=load), is there any plans to more easily save trued profiles within the app? When I true a load with the kestrel and then use the app to pull the trued profile, it creates three duplicates for every "gun." I then have to try and figure out which is trued and which was just my starting point. This is enough to make a man lose his mind and kind of defeats the purpose of the thing because I always end up second guessing whether I'm actually looking at the trued profile. I have 9 rifles with two or three loads each. I'd suggest being able to actually build a rifle profile and a load profile under it like with the AB app.
Another suggestion would be to add a notes section so the user can enter some info about the load.
Range swipe is part of the phone app, it is not in the Kestrel, so no setting for it in the Kestrel.Is there any way to change the target range increment from 1 to 5 or 10? I see in the app the option is titled "range swipe" but I can't find the setting on the Kestrel. Thanks.
I don't think so, all of the features of the phone app would need to be created in a computer program and the special USB cable would need to be purchased so the library and firmware updates could be accessed. Link is a big focus now due to all the connectivity with range finders, HUD and who knows what else.Will there be a non-link version of this?
Does this link help: https://hornadykestrel.com/mwdownloads/download/link/id/359/Is there any directions, or explanations on how to set up the data with the powder temp sensitivity? I have not found anything. Not sure on if.makes too much difference, but it is there, would like to understand how it works.
Also, does anyone have any update on when the 4dof database will be updated with some of the newer bullets?
Yes, thank you. Does the Baseline Muzzle Velocity override the the MV under the "Gun Data" , or do we have to make sure it matches when we transfer over to the kestral? I think that was what I was confused about.Does this link help: https://hornadykestrel.com/mwdownloads/download/link/id/359/
We don't have any update however about additional bullets at this time.
It doesn't overwrite the MV under gun data. The Kestrel only adjusts the MV when MV-Temp is set to ON on the Kestrel. Otherwise it uses the MV under the gun profile.Yes, thank you. Does the Baseline Muzzle Velocity override the the MV under the "Gun Data" , or do we have to make sure it matches when we transfer over to the kestral? I think that was what I was confused about.
It'll show up at some point. Make sure your Kestrel is connected to your phone, and the app is open. One of the updates last year didn'tCant seem to get mine to show a new update is available. Current firmware is 1.31 but the app never shows there's an update. I've tried uninstalling the app on my android and also trying on my ipad. However, it never says a firmware update is available.
Sometimes it is a caching issue. Uninstalling and Reinstalling should fix this issue but you can also try on Android going to Settings->Applications->Storage->Clear Cache and then reconnecting.Cant seem to get mine to show a new update is available. Current firmware is 1.31 but the app never shows there's an update. I've tried uninstalling the app on my android and also trying on my ipad. However, it never says a firmware update is available.
Here is what I tried this morningSometimes it is a caching issue. Uninstalling and Reinstalling should fix this issue but you can also try on Android going to Settings->Applications->Storage->Clear Cache and then reconnecting.
Are you using the same wifi connection for both devices? This is a guess but could be some kind of security with the router that is blocking the firmware file request. Can you see if you turn off Wifi and just use cellular and reconnect to see if the result changes?Here is what I tried this morning
Android Galaxy S9
1. Clear cache and reconnect = no prompt for update
2. Uninstall and reinstall app on Android= no prompt for update
3. Reset Kestrel back to factory cleared cache on app and sent gun profiles back to kestrel = no prompt for update.
1. Delete Kestrel Ballistics app and reinstall = no prompt for update.
Since we are not going to be selling any units at SHOT, we would not be taking trade-ins. You would just need to use the standard process: https://kestrelinstruments.com/kestrel-trade-in-trade-up
Turned off WiFi, and no luck. Reinstalled, restarted devices with wifi off and still no luck.Are you using the same wifi connection for both devices? This is a guess but could be some kind of security with the router that is blocking the firmware file request. Can you see if you turn off Wifi and just use cellular and reconnect to see if the result changes?