how far with this set up

[dyna962007]

Hi Guys, Im very new to the bolt gun scene.
Realisticly, how far do you think this gun will shoot and what bullet weight do you reccomend for it, I was told by the previous owner it loves 210 Berger VLD's.
here are the specs:

Remington 700 Stainless barrel 26”
5R Mil-Spec .300 Win. Mag.
Every round down this rifle has been documented.
Blue-printed by a competent gunsmith.
Muscle Break by Center Shot Rifles,
Nightforce 20 moa picatinny rail,
Millett illuminated reticule, 35mm tube, 6-25 x 56mm scope.
HS Precision stock M-24 PSY-014
Badger Ordnance recoil lug.
Bedded with Marine-Tex by a competent gunsmith.
This rifle is a 1/2 moa shooter with 210 Bergers,

 

[steve123]

Re: how far with this set up

I'd use the Berger 230's or the Hornady 225 grainer.

2500Y is doable but 2000Y is more realistic.

Sell the Millet and get a good scope. The Vortex Razor has 36 mils of total elevation which is a lot.

 

[dyna962007]

Re: how far with this set up

I dont see the 230 listed on the Berger site, only up to the 210.
Are you not familiar with the newest Millett scope, its getting really good reviews from people who are trying it.
Please tell me your theory on the heavier bullets please, more stable but less velocity ??
MIke

 

[steve123]

Re: how far with this set up

At ELR distances it's all about BC. The Berger 230 hybrid has a .743 G1 BC.


The 230's are under the Tactical line of bullets on their site.

Take my advise on the Millet. Reliability, correct tracking of the scopes internals and repeatability are essential.

 

[Garvey]

Re: how far with this set up

I had a Millet on a .22-250 and moved it to my wife's .223 Those are about the only rifles I see them very useful for.

Take everyone's advice and put a better optic on that rifle. Optics can be more important than the rifle for the long range and extreme range applications.

 

[dyna962007]

Re: how far with this set up

Say let me ask you. When a bullet is intended for tactical, what does that mean? In the military and LE we may have a different definition than a bullet mfg does. For me, I consider tactical related to combat use for live targets, etc. For them it seems more like precision shooting at paper targets, how effective do you feel this 230 grain is for real life live targets?

 

[MALLARD]

Re: how far with this set up

i believe "tactical" is just a marketing ploy and has no real meaning.

how far you can shoot depends more on the shooter then the weapon. You need to have a handle on your exterior ballistics ( which means understanding your "true" m/v and BC ), then from there its worrying about wind calls.

on a calm day , i think you could do 2-3 moa at 1200y pretty easy with that gun. Maybe out to 1500y. You could easily shoot better. But If you suck on a terrible shit day , you might hold a 5 ft group at 1000y. I seen that to.

how effective is the 230 grain bullet ? ha , at 2000y it looks to have around 400 ft lbs of energy , thats like a 9mm point blank. Not that you'll be shooting anyone that far, flight time would be like 6 seconds. LOL

 

[Graham]

Re: how far with this set up

Get the BC of the bullet, and the muzzle velocity from a chronograph, and plug them into JBM. Calculate 90% of your supersonic range. That's the yardage you are looking for and the answer to your question.

I use a .680BC for the Berger 210s in FFS, although .637 is probably more like it as an average for ELR velocities.

A 10-twist will shoot the 210s very well. If you want to shoot heavier than 220 you might need a 9-twist, depending on environmentals.

 

[Topstrap]

Re: how far with this set up

You asked about how far "realistically" this particular gun would shoot. Not an exact answer can be given, a 22lr can travel a mile but realistically 400 and on a good calm day 500 yards is about it's limit for any type of accuracy. Your rig can shoot probably well past 2500 yards but from what we've seen I'd say a mile would be more realistic. Yes it will shoot farther and on any given day it'll hit a target that is farther than most people can see with the naked eye but for any real consistent chance of first round hits 1600 yards or so in the hands of a good shooter is more "realistic".

Not sure if you've shot to 1000 or beyond but Mother Nature is in control most times when stretching it out. Your gun looks like a a great rig, should do you very well and will give you many chances to hear that distant ring that is so addicting.

Topstrap

 

[dyna962007]

Re: how far with this set up


thanks much but at this point, Im still trying to figure out just what twist my barrel actually is LOL


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get the BC of the bullet, and the muzzle velocity from a chronograph, and plug them into JBM. Calculate 90% of your supersonic range. That's the yardage you are looking for and the answer to your question.

I use a .680BC for the Berger 210s in FFS, although .637 is probably more like it as an average for ELR velocities.

A 10-twist will shoot the 210s very well. If you want to shoot heavier than 220 you might need a 9-twist, depending on environmentals. </div></div>

 

[dyna962007]

Re: how far with this set up


Topstrap, thanks, for all the good comments, cant wait to try it soon, no long range stuff yet, but getten closer, LOL


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You asked about how far "realistically" this particular gun would shoot. Not an exact answer can be given, a 22lr can travel a mile but realistically 400 and on a good calm day 500 yards is about it's limit for any type of accuracy. Your rig can shoot probably well past 2500 yards but from what we've seen I'd say a mile would be more realistic. Yes it will shoot farther and on any given day it'll hit a target that is farther than most people can see with the naked eye but for any real consistent chance of first round hits 1600 yards or so in the hands of a good shooter is more "realistic".

Not sure if you've shot to 1000 or beyond but Mother Nature is in control most times when stretching it out. Your gun looks like a a great rig, should do you very well and will give you many chances to hear that distant ring that is so addicting.

Topstrap
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[George63]

Re: how far with this set up

put it this way:

How far would it be practical to use that combination before a different setup would make a lot more sense ?

I would say 1200 yds at low elevation is a reasonable number

like 1000 yds is reasonable for .308 with 175 gr / 700 yds with 168 gr

now is it reasonable/ logical to work the skill level up to meaningful 1200 yd shooting using only a 300 winmag - not IMO - too much barrel wear, recoil, short brass life etc.

to at least 600 yds work with .223 (this could be a good use for the millet)
308, or similar to 1000
save the bulk shooting of magnums for beyond

the savings on ammo/barrels will more than compensate for the additional firearms in the long run

I

 

[dyna962007]

Re: how far with this set up

Thanks George for the good comments, mike