I can see this ending badly in so many ways....

[308pirate]

Leaked Emails Show Crime App Citizen Is Testing On-Demand Security Force

Citizen would deploy private security forces at the request of app users, according to documents and sources.

www.vice.com

Who's going to take any fucking orders from private security when out and about in PUBLIC? Not me, I can tell you that.

I can see things escalating, let's just leave it at that.

 

[TurboTrout]

Sounds sporty

 

[MilChad]

Leaked Emails Show Crime App Citizen Is Testing On-Demand Security Force

Citizen would deploy private security forces at the request of app users, according to documents and sources.

www.vice.com

Who's going to take any fucking orders from private security when out and about in PUBLIC? Not me, I can tell you that.

I can see things escalating, let's just leave it at that.

People these days don’t take orders from actual law enforcement either. I should say some people.

 

[308pirate]

People these days don’t take orders from actual law enforcement either. I should say some people.

True, but unlike lawfully appointed police officers rent-a-cops don't mean shit outside private property and even within it their powers are not what most people think.

This is for you to pay to have a rent-a-cop sent to your location because you feel "unsafe". Just imagine how many of these interactions between the rent-a-cop and whoever is making Karen feel "unsafe" are going to go.

 

[brianf]

Even if it works they will soon find out that the budget needed for that security will magically match a “real” police force sooner rather than later.

 

[TurboTrout]

I’m sure the free market will decide.

Personally when it comes to my safety, I’ll take my 9mm over a app.

In victim crimes, unless that cop/rent a cop is right there, which is slim to never, they are pretty useless.

 

[HiDesertELR]

 

[TurboTrout]

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[Sean the Nailer]

Do they have the fancy "tabi" toed special footwear for climbing/running up walls?

Do they wear two layers of ballistic vests each, to lay down in front of their spouse's/partners so's that they provide cover whilst the spouse assembles the tactical .300 W/M?

Asking for a friend.....

 

[7.62willdo]

Looking forward to it,

 

[Baron23]

So, do you think they hired this guy? haha

 

[clcustom1911]

Leaked Emails Show Crime App Citizen Is Testing On-Demand Security Force

Citizen would deploy private security forces at the request of app users, according to documents and sources.

www.vice.com

Who's going to take any fucking orders from private security when out and about in PUBLIC? Not me, I can tell you that.

I can see things escalating, let's just leave it at that.

So, it can be like Uber, but for private security for when a damsel in distress hates the police, but wants to be escorted to coffee.

Capitalism in action.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

I can see this as a new way to "swat" someone or used by the less than law abiding for their advantage.

Curious how the rent a cop will respond when someone tells them to go fuck themselves, beats them into the ground or draws on them when they have escalated the incident.

 

[Snipe260]

The security rent a cops at my local hospital look like a BLM antifa group. My son was in there the other night. I was entering while he was having surgery. They told me I had to go check in all the way around hospital. I told them to fuck off and find someone else to bother or somebody was fixing to get hurt bad! I went in the door I was going in!

 

[diggler1833]

Point a gun at me while yelling "security" and see where that gets you...especially if I'm not breaking any law.

I see this dissolving the first time a rented armed security ends up in a civil trial.

 

[TACC]

But do they also respond with a social worker?

 

[TurboTrout]

But do they also respond with a social worker?

Not sure why this gets so much hate, we obviously have a mental health issue here, police are used to project force, social workers deal with nuts.

If the 911 gets a call to someone acting strange, but not victimizing anyone or waving a hatchet or anything, makes logical sense to send mental help vs force

Think because it was originally a left city idea it gets hate from the right, just like how everything Trump did was viewed as bad on the left.

Right tool for the right job, seems so obvious even the left figured it out.

 

[7.62willdo]

You’re right crazies never escalate to violence......

 

[RGStory]

Is it primarily for property protection?
So is this a solution for small enterprises to have access on site private security like a larger company? I can see a market for this if the subscription price is low enough.
Everything from a mom and pop boutique store to a dentist office. Their partner company is already doing this level of work without the fancy app.

"Los Angeles Professional Security officers are trained in theft prevention, parking enforcement, vandalism control, gang suppression, transient eviction, safety escorts, and personal security.
Our patrol fleet is equipped with a K-9 unit, can conduct random checks on your property, and is able to rapidly respond to any issues, big or small, that you, your staff, or members of your household report.
An emailed report is immediately sent to you each time a patrol officer is on-site at your property ensuring you always have up-to-date information."

 

[TurboTrout]

You’re right crazies never escalate to violence......

When you escalate damn near at the point of contact, they often do.


Honestly, that’s the mindset that gets you a pre-crimes department, and fuck that. Plus these nut wranglers know the job they signed up for.

I’ve seen this shit happen, someone calls the cops of some bum acting a little odd, but no crime, cops come down and try to cuff the bum “for officer safety” right away, from there it goes down hill, and who cares, bum can’t afford a lawyer and doesn’t have a clear enough mind to make trouble for the cop anyways.

I mean what’s the cop going to do, the bum isn’t doing anything illegal, but if you go hands on right away they will resist, as most anyone would when they didn’t do anything wrong, boom arrested for resisting.

What did this do? Well cost tax payers money, probably made the bums mental issues worse, and they’ll be just let go again because no legit crime, and bum will be mental worse for it, and probably act more violent when confronted next time.

Treating health issues like crimes is very puritanical and stuuuuupid

 

[pmclaine]

Its like contracting in war zones.......avoids accountability and Constitutional boundary (to a degree).

Policing is not "the militia".

Wonder if this is more infrastructure for Obamas "citizen security force"?

 

[clcustom1911]

I think it's just an app trying to extract more money from its users.

 

[TxWelder35]

You’re right crazies never escalate to violence......

because so many problems are solved at mental hospitals by pointing guns at them all day.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

how does that work on private property.

 

[Sgtsideways]

This isn't anything new. Can anybody say Blackwater?

https://silentprofessionals.org/blackwater/

For those of you that think the military wouldn't be used against U.S. citizens, remember Katrina? Some of these clowns were used to disarm citizens doing nothing but protecting their own lives and property.
Let's also not forget obama the great who spoke of a civilian policing force stronger than the military

 

[TurboTrout]

Its like contracting in war zones.......avoids accountability and Constitutional boundary (to a degree).

Policing is not "the militia".

Wonder if this is more infrastructure for Obamas "citizen security force"?

Could you use that app to stop unconstitutional state actors? “Gun control” “road safety checks” etc?

 

[DOA]

Not sure why this gets so much hate, we obviously have a mental health issue here, police are used to project force, social workers deal with nuts.

If the 911 gets a call to someone acting strange, but not victimizing anyone or waving a hatchet or anything, makes logical sense to send mental help vs force

Think because it was originally a left city idea it gets hate from the right, just like how everything Trump did was viewed as bad on the left.

Right tool for the right job, seems so obvious even the left figured it out.

I suggest you go on some ridealongs when one of those calls gets called in. Things can escalate quickly, not by showing force but just by calmly engaging a suspect. I have seen it firsthand, btw.

 

[pmclaine]

Could you use that app to stop unconstitutional state actors? “Gun control” “road safety checks” etc?

Pushing the "informer society" forward.

 

[TxWelder35]

I suggest you go on some ridealongs when one of those calls gets called in. Things can escalate quickly, not by showing force but just by calmly engaging a suspect. I have seen it firsthand, btw.

Yea so many nurses killed in mental hospitals every year from the patients.


I’ll qualify this statement by saying if the person is armed than this changes everything.

police responding to a mental health crisis is not the correct tool. Each tool has its use. You don’t use a sledge hammer for finish carpentry

 

[DOA]

You’re right crazies never escalate to violence......

You and I are never going to convince TT and the like because they have zero personal experience dealing with this. I have personally witnessed crap like this with foster kids and on the street as a LEO.

 

[TxWelder35]

You and I are never going to convince TT and the like because they have zero personal experience dealing with this. I have personally witnessed crap like this with foster kids and on the street as a LEO.

Plenty of experience with people with mental
Health issues.

I’d be willing to find middle ground with you that Leo could be on scene out of sight, but I’d let a mental health professional take lead on an unarmed person and call you in if necessary.

 

[Docsherm]

Can you call them for BLM "Peaceful Protesters" when the actual cops stand by and do nothing?

 

[Maser]

All I can think of is the increase in the amount of "swattings" that will happen with these private security nonsense.

 

[TurboTrout]

You and I are never going to convince TT and the like because they have zero personal experience dealing with this. I have personally witnessed crap like this with foster kids and on the street as a LEO.

Dude, anyone who has lived in a big city (shy of some shut in type) has had experience with crazy bums

 

[TurboTrout]

All I can think of is the increase in the amount of "swattings" that will happen with these private security nonsense.

how

“iSecurity.com open the door!”

“meh, fuck off”

Done lol

 

[TurboTrout]

I suggest you go on some ridealongs when one of those calls gets called in. Things can escalate quickly, not by showing force but just by calmly engaging a suspect. I have seen it firsthand, btw.

“Engaging a suspect” mindset might be your problem.

And suspect of what?
Is that a misdemeanor or felony “acting odd”

 

[Choid]

Ca has actually used various forms of private policing, with varying levels of legal authority forever. As of the 90s or so, San Francisco still had the old private police specials running many areas.

 

[308pirate]

Curious how the rent a cop will respond when someone tells them to go fuck themselves, beats them into the ground or draws on them when they have escalated the incident.

That's exactly what I'm seeing in my crystal ball

I mean, some Farva wannabe reaches for his gun (if they happen to be licensed to be armed) and he's gonna get smoked.

I can see some serious legislative backlash in red states.

 

[308pirate]

Ca has actually used various forms of private policing, with varying levels of legal authority forever. As of the 90s or so, San Francisco still had the old private police specials running many areas.

I seriously doubt their authority extends to anyone in public spaces. I can tell you that shit will not be well received in red states.

 

[308pirate]

Is it primarily for property protection?
So is this a solution for small enterprises to have access on site private security like a larger company? I can see a market for this if the subscription price is low enough.
Everything from a mom and pop boutique store to a dentist office. Their partner company is already doing this level of work without the fancy app.

"Los Angeles Professional Security officers are trained in theft prevention, parking enforcement, vandalism control, gang suppression, transient eviction, safety escorts, and personal security.
Our patrol fleet is equipped with a K-9 unit, can conduct random checks on your property, and is able to rapidly respond to any issues, big or small, that you, your staff, or members of your household report.
An emailed report is immediately sent to you each time a patrol officer is on-site at your property ensuring you always have up-to-date information."

No, this is being pitched as private personal security

 

[Choid]

I seriously doubt their authority extends to anyone in public spaces. I can tell you that shit will not be well received in red states.

You should read about the police specials in San Francisco. They are like the oldest law enforcement in the state, I believe. It's pretty wild. Kind of a hybrid police/private, but they buy rights to basically offer a protection racket in arious neighborhoods from the real police who then certify them.

I don't imagine this will leave CA, but God knows how many times that has been said over history.

 

[308pirate]

This isn't anything new. Can anybody say Blackwater?

Deadwater

 

[308pirate]

Dude, anyone who has lived in a big city (shy of some shut in type) has had experience with crazy bums

One more reason to avoid cities

At least Dayton controls theirs pretty well

 

[TurboTrout]

One more reason to avoid cities

At least Dayton controls theirs pretty well

My view is one of Franklin, as well as viewing mental and substance issues as a medical issue, as long as there isn’t a real and clear victim

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
- Benjamin Franklin

 

[308pirate]

So, do you think they hired this guy? haha

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[10ring'r]

Not sure why this gets so much hate, we obviously have a mental health issue here, police are used to project force, social workers deal with nuts.

If the 911 gets a call to someone acting strange, but not victimizing anyone or waving a hatchet or anything, makes logical sense to send mental help vs force

Think because it was originally a left city idea it gets hate from the right, just like how everything Trump did was viewed as bad on the left.

Right tool for the right job, seems so obvious even the left figured it out.

You're a very funny man ( I use that term very loosely). Mac

 

[TurboTrout]

You're a very funny man ( I use that term very loosely). Mac

#FunnyButTrue

 

[NoDopes]

Cops are always front line for when shit happens. There aren't enough social workers in existence to have them respond to all these potentially non-escelating situations to make some crazy person feel good and do the right thing. They are probably high 95%of the time anyway.

 

[Texasflyer]

 

[Texasflyer]

Have gun, will travel.... is coming again.