Requiring a lawful gun owner to pay a fee in order to transfer a firearm in a private sale would be akin to a poll tax.
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I hope that's implied sarcasm in your post....
Maybe just change all the sales sites to end in .onion and merchant processing to crypto, and give the one figured salute the those who hate the constitution.
I also always chuckle a little when I hear a leftist ranting on about using the constitution to purge their political rivals, like no shit...so you actually know what the constitution says? Because I recall you recently saying how when it comes to the first 10 amendments they “just get in the way”.
It perplexes me how anyone takes these idiots seriously anymore.
I also always chuckle a little when I hear a leftist ranting on about using the constitution to purge their political rivals, like no shit...so you actually know what the constitution says? Because I recall you recently saying how when it comes to the first 10 amendments they “just get in the way”.
It perplexes me how anyone takes these idiots seriously anymore.
Its not so much that, although I'm sure there are many that are that misinformed, it that they have an agenda of disarming the people so they can be ruled and have less ability of opposing the criminal actions of the state.
I hope there's enough moderate Dems, like Joe Manchin, that will not vote for anything like this because they fear for their jobs. But I may be dreaming.
And if she can't carry out that task for her masters, they'll come in and try and do it for her and demote her to 'organ donor.'
Sadly I think thats the point. It makes it easy to silence and jail your opposition when the whole citizenry at large is now guilty of something. Same way we stirp people's rights by labeling them "domestic terrorists"
I grew up listening to that crazy SOB.
He got fired for that joke from DC 101 25 years ago today.
A true hero Greaseman was.
First of all, purchasing Firearms over the internet IS ALREADY BANNED. Change the narrative. You cannot order a firearm off the internet.
IT MUST FIRST GO TO AN FFL!
You are arguing on the anti-second amendment peoples terms. STOP IT RIGHT NOW.
Second, i know earlier in the thread someone mention 100% background checks. Here is a thought. Never give a gun grabber anything for free. Yes we could do 100% background checks. We could implement it so the ATF can't stall out the system at random like a blacklist. Call the number--on the list? Can't buy. System down or not listed. Cleared.
Great. Now what do i get in return
If i give background checks I need something for me. Like Suppressors off the NFA list or Universal Concealed Carry (or How about clarifying the assualt weapons are by default full automatic (aka kill any AWB)). That's how comprimise is supposed to work. You get something, I get something.
So I I give in to Universal Background checks, I better get back something in return or pound sand. We give to the left over and over again. Compromise means we get something too.
Otherwise not one damn inch on anything. No matter how I feel personally. Bump stocks: Stupid. But you better GIVE ME SOMETHING IN RETURN (and we got sqaut--EO'd out--don't think ol BIden might not try the same thing with Pistol ARs or AWB).
IT MUST FIRST GO TO AN FFL!
You are arguing on the anti-second amendment peoples terms. STOP IT RIGHT NOW.
Second, i know earlier in the thread someone mention 100% background checks. Here is a thought. Never give a gun grabber anything for free. Yes we could do 100% background checks. We could implement it so the ATF can't stall out the system at random like a blacklist. Call the number--on the list? Can't buy. System down or not listed. Cleared.
Great. Now what do i get in return
If i give background checks I need something for me. Like Suppressors off the NFA list or Universal Concealed Carry (or How about clarifying the assualt weapons are by default full automatic (aka kill any AWB)). That's how comprimise is supposed to work. You get something, I get something.
So I I give in to Universal Background checks, I better get back something in return or pound sand. We give to the left over and over again. Compromise means we get something too.
Otherwise not one damn inch on anything. No matter how I feel personally. Bump stocks: Stupid. But you better GIVE ME SOMETHING IN RETURN (and we got sqaut--EO'd out--don't think ol BIden might not try the same thing with Pistol ARs or AWB).
The first and highest priority will be to identify and destroy anyone and anything that supported Trump. Trump supporters are the modern SS to the left. They are serious.
They are taking huge offense to the storming of the capitol but none what so ever to the destruction of "occupied" cities. The capitol group is a "violent mob" the ones who burned cities were "largely peaceful."
They are taking huge offense to the storming of the capitol but none what so ever to the destruction of "occupied" cities. The capitol group is a "violent mob" the ones who burned cities were "largely peaceful."
With all due respect , what makes you think anyone in Washington gives a dam what you and I might want in return . Do you really think those rhinos are going to fight any gun legislation
The Republicans are too busy scrambling to bow down to the new king and secure there future in the swamp.
Id rather die than get one of her organs. Ewwwwww
I think the bitch is a demon or perhaps the AntiChrist. Did you see her face when Tulsi Gabbard (sp) took her apart? I wouldnt want to be Tulsi when Demonwoman gets power.
Tulsi has had some very interesting point of views lately. I know she's a middle of the road Demwit, but she has surprised me lately.
Correct!! But they are the same politicians that think by banning all firearms is going to stop all the shooting's and murders in the this country. The only people a ban affects are the citizens that are buying them legally. They forget that the criminal types don't give a shit about what laws are on the books.
Maybe you belong over on the Lets show some respect thread???
I'm trying to be polite towards the nice young lady. I hear women like to be talked to real sweet like........
They don't believe that story. They know they can not take complete control while the citizens are armed. The criminals already work for them, they want them to be armed.
They want to disarm the public. Their personal security detail or security contractor will still be armed to protect them.
Gun control legislation as nothing to do with crime. it's about CONTROL. The left knows that when push comes to shove, We The People, are the largest, most powerful, army in the world.
While you are correct on making that statement. Unfortunately that's the narrative they are using to push the new legislation(Executive Action).
This x 1,000
As long as they get what they want they don't care what it costs as seen over the last few months. It shouldn't be that hard to negotiate with this group IF our group really wanted to negotiate which you would have to question after what we have seen over the last few months.
Just a thought: How can you enforce a FFL/background check for transfers if the firearm isn’t registered? Let’s say this law is passed. You come to my business and I sell you a gun and we decide not to bother with the background check. Now, how is this illegal transaction going to be discovered? It can’t. The only way this will work is if all guns are registered like a car or boat. Think about that and what it means. This is not a good idea and it won’t keep guns away from criminals. It can only lead to confiscation (starting with scary guns and ending with single shots).
Exactly.
It could be enforced if the ATF did an audit of the FFLs transfer books, and there was no evidence of background checks being done, the FFL would be liable, and could be fined, jailed, business shutdown, etc. That in itself is incentive enough by the dealer to follow the law.
My understanding is that as an ffl holder, all firearms transactions must be listed in a log book. Even if you just have a c&r license, all firearms bought under that license must be in a log book. That log book shows things like when it was purchased, when it was sold, and to whom. Your shit better be in one bag When the ATF comes calling for an audit- and they will come for an audit eventually. Shady ffls get busted for what you are describing all the time, today.
True, but if its sold to me, I sell it to Joe Blow, Joe sells it to Gary Windowlicker, and so on it kind of disappears...unless it goes to an FFL store. Then it only reappears if he puts it in his log. If he just slips it into a drawer and moves it to someone he knows and deems trustworthy it stays invisible.
Once they require universal background checks like they just did in Virginia, only ones already not in the system can go that way. New sales from FFL are recorded and if you sell it with out an FFL and get caught youre fucked.
Sadly the only ones that are going to lose out is Pres Trump and American Tax Payers, Trump lost many millons
Well lose our Freedoms, Money
Analogy time... In the State of Texas it is against the law to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk. Moreover, the server who serves the drunk individual is legally responsible if that drunk subsequently goes and wrecks his/her car into a church bus full of altar boys. The TABC will use every means at their disposal to backtrack the chain of responsibility (friends, family, cctv, credit card receipts, etc).
The chain of custody of a firearm starts somewhere. Someone is going to have a log that says “I had this firearm and sold it to someone else.” Whether that be FN transferring a rifle to Browning; Browning transferring it to a regional distributor; the distributor transferring it to Cabelas; Cabelas transferring it to you; or the pawn shop logging it when you transfer it to them. One broken link in the chain doesn’t eliminate the ability to track it down, if they really want to track it.
I‘d argue that most FFLs that are slipping guns into drawers and slipping them to trusted individuals are one ill-conceived thought away from losing their license and spending an appreciable amount of time in a federal prison. And, those individuals getting their firearms from those FFLs are much more prone to ill-conceived thoughts than the general public.
But, yes, individual sales allow firearms to “fall off of the radar.“ If universal background checks do ever become a thing, new firearm purchases will need to come with a refrigerator magnet, or a sticker for the safe, or a morale patch that says “the buck stops here...”
One broken link could stop it. I bought and sold several firearms during the twenty years I lived in Texas, not one through and FFL and not one of them asked my name or anything. I moved a couple times and sold a couple like I bought, to some guy from the newspaper or local rag. I couldnt begin to tell you how to find them, nor they I. I think the tracking would be almost impossible. Especially since Ive now moved back to Virginia.
I agree about the dealer, though if he paid cash, no receipt, its his then sold it to someone he trusted, its his word against the guy he bought it from...Im not suggesting that, jsut putting up a scenario. And if he had multiple accusations that would change it to circumstantial evidence.
AND.....when johnny law/B.P./BATFE catches up with him......His name will be Guzman Sanchez Garcia Gomez Carlos Juan......Mac
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No hable.AND.....when johnny law/B.P./BATFE catches up with him......His name will be Guzman Sanchez Garcia Gomez Carlos Juan......Mac
Theyll never catch him because the day after he bought them he slipped back across the border and sold them all to the Cartel. He was back the next day with twice as much money and bought more.AND.....when johnny law/B.P./BATFE catches up with him......His name will be Guzman Sanchez Garcia Gomez Carlos Juan......Mac
Funny story about that.
Just north of Richmond Virginia in Ashland there is a sporting goods store named Greentop. which likely is the largest single firearms dealer in the country. Some of the chains are larger but not single stores. They have more guns than God and are located about 2 minutes off I 95 about 7 hours from NYC. Back in the 80's when coke and crack were getting big money the blacks from the city would drive down buy, a trunk full of handguns be, back in the city the next day and back at Greentop two days later to buy another trunkful. We got the name the Gun State and I 95 was called the Firearm Freeway. Well worth the visit if youre in the area.
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But when black film maker Spike Lee told a joke about shooting NRA President Charlton Heston, the outrage was muted. New York City radio host Steve Malzberg, who brought national attention to the incident, said that Spike Lee’s explanation of his remarks, that he was only kidding, “
Nice! Will keep that in mind, if we're able to travel again.
So......You mean, like, "Fast and Furious" was kinda like?? Mac
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If the gun is used in the commission of a crime, they will come back to the last recorded owner. If the gun shop was last recorded location, you can bet the FFL holder will lose his license and probably be charged as an accessory along with a few Federal crimes pertaining to the illegal transfer of a firearm.
That's why I know of NO FFL that will do something like this. Off the book transfers will get the FFL holder into some pretty tough times.
That's why I know of NO FFL that will do something like this. Off the book transfers will get the FFL holder into some pretty tough times.
Well Constitutionally that’s exactly how it should be.
That's right. It was never intended for a citizen to ordered to go to a Federally liccensed dealer, complete paperwork, wait 10 days and then get your firearm. But this is the world we live in. This didn't start until 1968.
No, I'm a realist. You're living in a bubble if you think I'm the one impaired.
Just watch, buddy. Every single time there's an armed protest, every single time there's a gun used off the owner/user's property... that's an easy target for the media and Democrats to point at it and say... "This is why guns are bad, we must have new laws and restrictions." It doesn't matter if an armed pro-2A protest contains Republicans and Democrats, Blacks and Whites, and results in nothing bad but some litter. And since nobody "normal" - except a literally failed and now bankrupt NRA and a select group of YouTube-type faces - are standing up for 2A, the face of gun ownership is being branded as white supremicist, evil, and/or insane. Stand your ground laws, even on your own property, are even being branded as racist and evil and people are listening to the people saying that. Okay, sure, there's a few respectable (and also questionable) Republicans actually using their voice, but they're routinely demonized in the media or by other politicians for that or other things they do. There's not a single Democrat that stands up for 2A... not a single one. Because doing so would be counter to their party directive, taking the "evil Republican side", and consequently, career suicide. On top of this, the Republican party - Trump not even considered - is effectively described as the "Evil Party of No". In order for a Republican agenda to take shape and to achieve a smaller federal government, entitlements would be reduced or eliminated, gay/transgender rights would be impacted, abortion rights would be impacted, social/economic/ programs would have to be canceled, plus a myriad of other such things. Anything that places the burden of life and work on the individual... evil and lacking compassion. Remember Margarat Thatcher? They even made her look awful in a TV show, yet she is largely responsible for bringing the UK out from the biggest hole it's ever been in. And this ease of "marking them as evil" means that the Republicans - the only defenders of 2A - are fighting a losing hearts and minds battle.
So if you are unable to grasp what is happening and therefore know what is to come, you are seriously impaired.
The only way to stop the effective repeal of 2A (meaning, you can have a heavily taxed to the point of unattainable hunting bolt action rifle and maybe a revolver and that's about it where even commonplace ammo is excessively expensive for a civilian), we will need a cultural shift toward personal responsibility and advocating of 2A rights from all races, not just the primarily white faces you see today. We will need people that other people look up to - including celebrities and respected, untroubled, non-polarizing Republicans and Democrats - advocating for it. We will need all gun, gun part, and ammo manufacturers stating they will refuse to do business with the US government unless 2A is protected. We are the ONLY country on earth that allows this much firearm freedom (with few exceptions, like in South Africa you can buy a suppressor in a store and leave with it the same day). Do you honestly think that we can protect that right without some major reality checks in the Republican party and in society? Certainly not with Biden and the Democrats owning all branches of government (except the court... for now).
No amount of Massad Ayoob, Hodge Twins on YouTube, and Ben Shapiro are going to stop 2A from being broken down into a "right" that is too expensive or burdensome to actually have. And soon after that - as we are already seeing - freedom of speech will crumble as precident is set to blatantly neuter a standing bill of rights amendment. They will literally say... it's an "amendment" so... it can be "amended" again. Watch.
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