Impeachment going disastrously, time for a mass shooting — Pensacola NAS

sirhrmechanic

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When are they going to let our trusted military protect themselves?

is it not appalling that bases are gun free zones?

well, distraction notes. The day after Bloomberg holds giant gun press conference, explaining why he is in a non starter bid for president. Now he has a platform for his real agenda.

buy more ammo.

sirhr
 
Saw the CNN (I know ?) coverage of Pensacola this morning. They labeled it a "MASS" shooting; 2 dead.

Then I saw the UPS shooting on another station, 4 dead, and it was only a robbery. Dafuq?!
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For those pondering the shooters race/religion/zodiac sign, what’s the point? He was a Sailor in the US Navy. If you’re going to speculate to push an agenda, why not focus on facts, like how he was a submariner...and submariners are always weirdos and a little off. [EDIT: The above is in reference to the HI shooter]

As for those bringing up the angle of letting service members carry while on base, I’d have to disagree. As much as I would love (and would have loved) to do so, I don’t want to imagine what a barracks weekend would look like if everyone was allowed to keep a CCW with them. It’s bad enough with NDs on deployments and the range. The only reason why there aren’t more NDs on base is because of the restricted ammo procedures (or lack of budget lol). Just because dudes are in the military doesn’t mean they are capable or safe with a firearm. That’s also putting the rampant barracks theft issues aside. It’s sad, but true.

Another note against service members being allowed to carry... for those that don’t know, there are only a few positions within the military that require/receive handgun training. The overwhelming majority of personnel serving never touch a handgun during their time in. You’d then have a DOD policy that authorized service members to carry a handgun without having received training, which then brings about the additional training and budgetary component problems between type of firearm to be trained and which make/model the DOD authorizes for carry by service members. Is a qual involved? Is the DOD paying for the qual ammo? Are members required to provide their own ammo for a DOD qual? What safe is the DOD requiring each barracks room to be outfitted with? It is nothing more than a logistical, safety, and practicality nightmare for everyone involved.
 
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For those pondering the shooters race/religion/zodiac sign, what’s the point? He was a Sailor in the US Navy. If you’re going to speculate to push an agenda, why not focus on facts, like how he was a submariner...and submariners are always weirdos and a little off.

As for those bringing up the angle of letting service members carry while on base, I’d have to disagree. As much as I would love (and would have loved) to do so, I don’t want to imagine what a barracks weekend would look like if everyone was allowed to keep a CCW with them. It’s bad enough with NDs on deployments and the range. The only reason why there aren’t more NDs on base is because of the restricted ammo procedures (or lack of budget lol). Just because dudes are in the military doesn’t mean they are capable or safe with a firearm. That’s also putting the rampant barracks theft issues aside. It’s sad, but true.

Another note against service members being allowed to carry... for those that don’t know, there are only a few positions within the military that require/receive handgun training. The overwhelming majority of personnel serving never touch a handgun during their time in. You’d then have a DOD policy that authorized service members to carry a handgun without having received training, which then brings about the additional training and budgetary component problems between type of firearm to be trained and which make/model the DOD authorizes for carry by service members. Is a qual involved? Is the DOD paying for the qual ammo? Are members required to provide their own ammo for a DOD qual? What safe is the DOD requiring each barracks room to be outfitted with? It is nothing more than a logistical, safety, and practicality nightmare for everyone involved.
I'll see your opinion and raise with a 2nd Amendment .
 
I'll see your opinion and raise with a 2nd Amendment .
Sigh. Awesome counterpoint lol and I’m not going argue about the Second.

Go volunteer and then let me know how the whole “rights” thing goes for ya while in.

Just scratching the surface of the issues with allowing members to carry on base. It isn’t some fantasy world (well it kind of is lol) where the DOD says “ok this is now allowed.” That’s now how it works. The recent shootings and human trafficking alone will land peeps in classrooms for extra hours every quarter. Poor fucks.
 
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Doesn’t apply. When you volunteer, any most aspects you give up your constitutional rights while on base. There is no 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th etc etc.

Sigh. Awesome counterpoint lol and I’m not going argue about the Second.

Go volunteer and then let me know how the whole “rights” thing goes for ya while in.

Which is exactly why I always postulate that a forceable or compelled draft is unconstitutional and diametrically opposed to the idea of God given, Natural Born rights & freedoms, because then you have no actual rights if the government can essentially force you to "join" or get killed resisting, and then say since you "Joined" so much for all your civil rights.... Then what rights did you actually have that were not just "permissions" from the government?
 
""The shooter was " a foreign national who was here in the US for training," NBC reported, citing multiple law enforcement officials. The gunman was reportedly from a Middle Eastern country. ""

 
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Which is exactly why I always postulate that a forceable or compelled draft is unconstitutional and diametrically opposed to the idea of God given, Natural Born rights & freedoms, because then you have no actual rights if the government can essentially force you to "join" or get killed resisting, and then say since you "Joined" so much for all your civil rights.... Then what rights did you actually have that were not just "permissions" from the government?
I as well am opposed to the draft.
 
For those pondering the shooters race/religion/zodiac sign, what’s the point? He was a Sailor in the US Navy. If you’re going to speculate to push an agenda, why not focus on facts, like how he was a submariner...and submariners are always weirdos and a little off.

As for those bringing up the angle of letting service members carry while on base, I’d have to disagree. As much as I would love (and would have loved) to do so, I don’t want to imagine what a barracks weekend would look like if everyone was allowed to keep a CCW with them. It’s bad enough with NDs on deployments and the range. The only reason why there aren’t more NDs on base is because of the restricted ammo procedures (or lack of budget lol). Just because dudes are in the military doesn’t mean they are capable or safe with a firearm. That’s also putting the rampant barracks theft issues aside. It’s sad, but true.

Another note against service members being allowed to carry... for those that don’t know, there are only a few positions within the military that require/receive handgun training. The overwhelming majority of personnel serving never touch a handgun during their time in. You’d then have a DOD policy that authorized service members to carry a handgun without having received training, which then brings about the additional training and budgetary component problems between type of firearm to be trained and which make/model the DOD authorizes for carry by service members. Is a qual involved? Is the DOD paying for the qual ammo? Are members required to provide their own ammo for a DOD qual? What safe is the DOD requiring each barracks room to be outfitted with? It is nothing more than a logistical, safety, and practicality nightmare for everyone involved.
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""The shooter was " a foreign national who was here in the US for training," NBC reported, citing multiple law enforcement officials. The gunman was reportedly from a Middle Eastern country. ""

Looks like Dems planned one in Hawaii, neoconservatives planned the one in Pensacola



Lol


Yeah.... I ?

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More to come before the SCOTUS hears the bullshit out of NY

I’m afraid you’re prob right. Impeachment has always been about Pelosi being too fucking weak to hold on to her convictions against the commie fucks to her left.

As an aside, it just goes to show how fucked up things are when we could speak factually about the existence of people to the left of Nancy Pelosi
 
That’s a good start. But even better, stop training them.
Indeed. We taught the Mujahideen how to use all the fancy toys we gave them, and now we have the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and the rest. No matter how friendly the Saudis, or nearly any Middle Eastern nation, might be or have been with the West, they will turn the moment their ideology outweighs the need for whatever we can give them. Or so history would seem to suggest.
 
I was referring to the HI shooter, not the FL shooter. My bad for the confusion, should have specified which. ...but it’s fucked up that a distinction has to be made when talking about shootings.
As far as I'm concerned, the HI shooter's disciplinary problems and anger management treatment is more relevant than him being Hispanic/Latino. But the FL guy being another case of a foreign national is relevant to that particular pattern IMO.

And yeah, it's fucked up that these happened so close together. I question whether it's pure coincidence, just a tad.
 
Which is exactly why I always postulate that a forceable or compelled draft is unconstitutional and diametrically opposed to the idea of God given, Natural Born rights & freedoms, because then you have no actual rights if the government can essentially force you to "join" or get killed resisting, and then say since you "Joined" so much for all your civil rights.... Then what rights did you actually have that were not just "permissions" from the government?

I get where you’re coming from but I volunteered and understood what it meant. The whole “not having rights while in” wasn’t an issue for me. I volunteered to serve and accepted all that came with it. The system is too big of a machine to not be run the way it is, and needs to continue to be run as such. As for a draft, I’m against a draft in our current climate/situation as it is not needed...regardless of the current retention and enlistment problems.
 
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I get where you’re coming from but I volunteered and understood what it meant. The whole “not having rights while in” wasn’t an issue for me. I volunteered to serve and accepted all that came with it. The system is too big of a machine to not be run the way it is, and needs to continue to be run as such. As for a draft, I’m against a draft in our current climate/situation as it is not needed...regardless of the current retention and enlistment problems.

Yes exactly, volunteering is completely different.
You voluntarily choose to give up your rights to be of service to the country and society as whole for a period of time.
And yes historically, you have to run a proper military as a dictatorship for it to be an effective military.

During our war for independence there were patriots that choose to fight in the proper military as well as those that choose to fight on the more independent / loosely banded / Militia levels. Both types contributed greatly to the war.