Impeachment going disastrously, time for a mass shooting — Pensacola NAS

As far as I'm concerned, the HI shooter's disciplinary problems and anger management treatment is more relevant than him being Hispanic/Latino. But the FL guy being another case of a foreign national is relevant to that particular pattern IMO.

And yeah, it's fucked up that these happened so close together.

Agreed.
Yea the military doesn’t do shit for MH screening during in-processing. Then you have the command elements being the ones who handle the complaints regarding MH/violence/domestic issues with the most common (worthless) action being “Ok thank you for bringing this to my attention. I’ll have a talk with him.” Then again, if they did actually take MH concerns seriously, then you’d throw fuel on the low recruitment/retention dumpster fire.
 
For those pondering the shooters race/religion/zodiac sign, what’s the point? He was a Sailor in the US Navy. If you’re going to speculate to push an agenda, why not focus on facts, like how he was a submariner...and submariners are always weirdos and a little off. [EDIT: The above is in reference to the HI shooter]

As for those bringing up the angle of letting service members carry while on base, I’d have to disagree. As much as I would love (and would have loved) to do so, I don’t want to imagine what a barracks weekend would look like if everyone was allowed to keep a CCW with them. It’s bad enough with NDs on deployments and the range. The only reason why there aren’t more NDs on base is because of the restricted ammo procedures (or lack of budget lol). Just because dudes are in the military doesn’t mean they are capable or safe with a firearm. That’s also putting the rampant barracks theft issues aside. It’s sad, but true.

Another note against service members being allowed to carry... for those that don’t know, there are only a few positions within the military that require/receive handgun training. The overwhelming majority of personnel serving never touch a handgun during their time in. You’d then have a DOD policy that authorized service members to carry a handgun without having received training, which then brings about the additional training and budgetary component problems between type of firearm to be trained and which make/model the DOD authorizes for carry by service members. Is a qual involved? Is the DOD paying for the qual ammo? Are members required to provide their own ammo for a DOD qual? What safe is the DOD requiring each barracks room to be outfitted with? It is nothing more than a logistical, safety, and practicality nightmare for everyone involved.

Installation commanders can allow carry on base. I know of one that (sort of) does. If you are active/retired LEO, stationed there and have a CCW or a member of the rifle and pistol club with a CCW you may bring a loaded firearm on base, but not take it out of the vehicle, except at the rifle and pistol club. I'll take what I can get. Three years, so far, and no incidents.

I gotta agree with you on the barracks scenario, though.
 
Installation commanders can allow carry on base. I know of one that (sort of) does. If you are active/retired LEO, stationed there and have a CCW or a member of the rifle and pistol club with a CCW you may bring a loaded firearm on base, but not take it out of the vehicle, except at the rifle and pistol club. I'll take what I can get. Three years, so far, and no incidents.

I gotta agree with you on the barracks scenario, though.
They can and many do, especially when the MWR range is on base. For those that don’t know: Just register your weapons with the base and you can go on base with them (to the range and home only). Some bases allow you to carry loaded if you’re going into the mountains next to base. Same thing, only to/from mountains and can’t be loaded until you get to the trail.

Most bases don’t acknowledge LEOSA but if you’re does, that’s cool. Yea no issues here and countless trips on base with firearms. ...at the MWR range is a whole other story...and usually more dangerous than a civilian public range lol. Big difference between visiting base to go to the range and allowing service members to carry during the day to day (and night lol).

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Installation commanders can allow carry on base. I know of one that (sort of) does. If you are active/retired LEO, stationed there and have a CCW or a member of the rifle and pistol club with a CCW you may bring a loaded firearm on base, but not take it out of the vehicle, except at the rifle and pistol club. I'll take what I can get. Three years, so far, and no incidents.

I gotta agree with you on the barracks scenario, though.

I know of one with almost the exact same rules - anyone with unrestricted base access, including contractors and dependents, with a CCW valid in the state the base is in can have loaded on their person in their cars, and leave in the car while at work. LEOSA has full concealed carry rights on base except for facilities clearly marked no weapons.

No incidents on that base that I am aware of in ~3 years. I wish all military bases were like that.
 
They can and many do, especially when the MWR range is on base. For those that don’t know: Just register your weapons with the base and you can go on base with them (to the range and home only). Some bases allow you to carry loaded if you’re going into the mountains next to base. Same thing, only to/from mountains and can’t be loaded until you get to the trail.

Most bases don’t acknowledge LEOSA but if you’re does, that’s cool. Yea no issues here and countless trips on base with firearms. ...at the MWR range is a whole other story...and usually more dangerous than a civilian public range lol. Big difference between visiting base to go to the range and allowing service members to carry during the day to day (and night lol).

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I don't think active are required to register firearms. The range on base is owned by FSS (MWR to you), but managed by a board of directors. The rules are fairly strict and enforced. Only accident, in modern times, was a couple years back. A retired firearms instruction shot himself in the thigh and calf (one shot). Serpa holster.
 
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I know of one with almost the exact same rules - anyone with unrestricted base access, including contractors and dependents, with a CCW valid in the state the base is in can have loaded on their person in their cars, and leave in the car while at work. LEOSA has full concealed carry rights on base except for facilities clearly marked no weapons.

No incidents on that base that I am aware of in ~3 years. I wish all military bases were like that.


What type aircraft are parked on the ramp?
 
I don't think active are required to register firearms. The range on base is owned by FSS (MWR to you), but managed by a board of directors. The rules are fairly strict and enforced. Only accident, in modern times, was a couple years back. A retired firearms instruction shot himself in the thigh and calf (one shot). Serpa holster.
All personnel on base, active or dependent, have to register all personal firearms with the base. Personnel living in the barracks can’t store weapons in the barracks and they must either be stored off base or be registered on base and stored in the unit armory (only with commanders approval).

You wanna see some unsafe MWR range shit? Go spend a few hours at the Bragg MWR range lol. As for Serpas, carried one for years and never an ND...but I’m also not complacent and train with it lol.
 
All personnel on base, active or dependent, have to register all personal firearms with the base. Personnel living in the barracks can’t store weapons in the barracks and they must either be stored off base or be registered on base and stored in the unit armory (only with commanders approval).

You wanna see some unsafe MWR range shit? Go spend a few hours at the Bragg MWR range lol. As for Serpas, carried one for years and never an ND...but I’m also not complacent and train with it lol.

Every base is different. Right next door, you're required to register. Been to Bragg many times. Visited the range once, but didn't shoot. Felt safer driving down Rifle Range Road.

Few train with a Serpa. I finally banned them at my matches unless disabled. I did learn the Serpa isn't for me. I don't have long fingers and I found my finger doesn't always reach the trigger guard (I forget which model). I tried a number of times and I never tripped the trigger, but my finger would enter the trigger guard. I never had a desire to use one anyway.
 
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Every base is different. Right next door, you're required to register. Been to Bragg many times. Visited the range once, but didn't shoot. Felt safer driving down Rifle Range Road.

Few train with a Serpa. I finally banned them at my matches unless disabled. I did learn the Serpa isn't for me. I don't have long fingers and I found my finger doesn't always reach the trigger guard (I forget which model). I tried a number of times and I never tripped the trigger, but my finger would enter the trigger guard. I never had a desire to use one anyway.
Haha definitely.

I’ve since abandoned the serpa for the ALS models and get why people have issues with em...and why NDs happen for many.

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Saw the CNN (I know ?) coverage of Pensacola this morning. They labeled it a "MASS" shooting; 2 dead.

Then I saw the UPS shooting on another station, 4 dead, and it was only a robbery. Dafuq?!
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They wont count the UPS truck as a mass shooting since 2 of the dead were innocents killed by the police. They shot a bystander in their vehicle, and they shot and killed the UPS driver.

you arent hearing about that on CNN. is full speed ahead with the impeachment fail boat!!!
 
This is a double edged sword. If we sell them billions in aircraft we pretty much have an obligation to train them.

What we need is to be more suspicious. Less PC. After all we do have valid reasons to be skeptical. Common sense that’s all.