IMR 4064 vs varget for 308

[700rem]

Not having much luck with the 178 ELD-X in the Remington TAC 21 20" 1 in 10 using 42 and 42.5 GR of 4064 with the 178GR. I am however having good results with 43.5GR of 4064 with when shooting the 168GR. It has been suggested I try the 43.5 - 44 GR of 4064 with the 178 GR. Anyone that can give some input would be great. These red pasty's are .750". I do not have a chronograph so I have no clue what my MV's are. I just need to shoot good groups at 100 so I can feel good about it not being the gun if and when I miss as greater distances. I'm hoping this statement means ( knot cutting combination) [ all in the same hole ] at 100 yards with ~44 gr of IMR-4064 as I have read elsewhere. Sure wish when people made these claims they show photo's of their actual accomplishments.

I would call it a good day with #9 & #11 ))

 

[sinister]

The military went from Reloader 15 to IMR 4064 because RL 15 was not stable at Afghanistan temps. with the 175 MK. Also the loads were hot and made for bolt actions and gas guns were introduced are brought back in service.

Also Fed who makes the ammo uses IMR 4064 in their Gold Medal Match Ammo in 308 Win.

FC military brass
41.745 of IMR 4064
fed 210 Match Primer
175 Sierra MK

Federal Gold Medal Match 2 (175 grain Match Kings) and USSOCOM's Mark 316 Mod 0 using 4064 are NOT the same as Lake City-produced M118 LR.

Military "Lake Shitty" M118 LR is still produced using RL-15. Army-produced versus Federal-produced. The data numbers you quoted are for SOCOM's DODIC AB39, NOT the Army's DODIC AA11.

The Virginia Rifle Team shot M14s using W748 for a few seasons and got satisfactory results in M14s -- but IMR 4895 was the standard for years.

 

[918v]

According to this, M118LR uses SMP768 powder:

https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2010/armament/WednesdayCumberlandSteveFaintich.pdf

 

[sinister]

Interesting. It looks like General Dynamics / Saint Marks' proposal, vice what's in production. M118 LR's original powder (before RL-15) was W750 (now SMP-750).

The next slide shows M118 LR as the base line:

 

[918v]

Your right, it’s probably a proposal. I’ve been trying to get some of that 768 but St. Marks claims it doesn’t exist. So maybe the military rejected the idea and the project was scrapped. And the powder never went into production. Who knows.

 

[sinister]

I could never get 750, either, but 760 is available (and close to IMR 4350: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/anyone-use-win-760-powder-before.174962/ ).

Back to the OP's post, I like Varget, but when it's in short supply I've burned 4064, 4895, RL-15, N135, and Norma 203 -- all in the medium-burn range for 168s and 175s. I understand 4320 is now discontinued.

 

[FLIGHT762]

One day there may be a " Staball ™ 308 ".