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I really want to have security chase me around the building and pull a fight club on them, punch myself in the mouth a few times and spit some blood on the wall. But... I’ll take the boring route and thank them and walk.
Does the boss man have a daughter or wife you can fuck? If so, do so, quit then send pictures.
Id keep it civil and just get out . or go torched earth and pay for damages you might cause .
I had a health risk at my last job. I went in 1st of the year and told the boss I'm tired of my health being the way it is because of this job and I'm out. No need for a notice if your health or safety is at concern. I left another company under similar circumstances were my safety was at risk. I put on the resume I quit immediately because of that and I've had no problems when problems when a resume was needed.
If a possible employer is concerned about you leaving a job because of your health or safety being risk, you don't want that job to begin with.
If a possible employer is concerned about you leaving a job because of your health or safety being risk, you don't want that job to begin with.
I like the desk crapping idea. Shitty employers ruin people for employers that actually give a fuck.
You're suffering from analysis paralysis and quite frankly, a fairly small set of balls. The vast majority of all this was covered in your previous thread. I'm hoping you don't decide to do a third thread on this. Way too many of us have seen this movie hundreds of times.
Man up, give them two weeks notice and tell them as little as possible. Whatever you do, DO NOT allow them to "talk you out of it" and be prepared to be shown the door right then and there, particularly if "they don't get their way". Which is another way of saying that you should have planned ahead and saved up for the final two weeks worth of paycheck that you might not be getting.
Any company that has conducted themselves in the manner that you have described will have zero compunction about kicking you to the curb at the drop of a hat. If that happens, don't get butthurt. Chalk it up to them being a bunch of snakes. Don't take it personal, you're not special. They'd likely do it to anybody.
Never say never, when it comes to burning bridges. My employer (Koreans) really don't care much about employee retention. They even provide the form to fill out. I quit in 2018 to go work the pipeline, they told me to come back when ever I wanted. 8 working hours during 3 weeks of rain, I called it, and came home. Interviewed several other places, but none would match my old job, so here I am, still...
It doesn't hurt a thing to be civil.
It doesn't hurt a thing to be civil.
Go in and ask for a raise. Whatever they say tell them that their offer is an insult and tell them you are moving on. Have them forward any owed pay to your address on file.
When I did this the owner asked if that was my two weeks notice. I said yes, but it was dated two weeks ago and I forgot to turn it in.
When I did this the owner asked if that was my two weeks notice. I said yes, but it was dated two weeks ago and I forgot to turn it in.
The two week notice concept was 20th century stuff and that work world and ethic is over. They peed in your cornflakes and made you eat them without remorse. Companies right now are not even checking references or doing any vetting. They want yer verifiable work history.
Fuck two weeks notice. Just walk and send a "I quit" email to HR without elaboration or extra verbiage. You'd get the same from them.
VooDoo
Fuck two weeks notice. Just walk and send a "I quit" email to HR without elaboration or extra verbiage. You'd get the same from them.
VooDoo
So you want to give a two weeks notice without giving a two weeks notice? Am I reading that correctly?
You should have planned this out a little better and decided when you wanted to be done two weeks ago. The fact that you stated you’ve checked out of the job mentally and are bitching to coworkers indicates that leaving the job with grace is probably long gone and the employer would probably be happy to just see you leave considering your own stated behavior and ratting them out to OSHA. I’d say just quit and go on about your life at this point and you’d be doing everyone a favor
You should have planned this out a little better and decided when you wanted to be done two weeks ago. The fact that you stated you’ve checked out of the job mentally and are bitching to coworkers indicates that leaving the job with grace is probably long gone and the employer would probably be happy to just see you leave considering your own stated behavior and ratting them out to OSHA. I’d say just quit and go on about your life at this point and you’d be doing everyone a favor
Dude. Pull your skirt up and grab your balls. What's more important? Your physical and mental health, or your employer and their safety theater?
The reason everyone was telling you to run in the last thread is because you should have .... wait for it... fvcking run!
Grab your shit, and tell them to kick rocks. Today. 2 week notices don't mean shit anymore. Get on down the road.
The reason everyone was telling you to run in the last thread is because you should have .... wait for it... fvcking run!
Grab your shit, and tell them to kick rocks. Today. 2 week notices don't mean shit anymore. Get on down the road.
This x1000.
This is how its done.
I had a job I hated. This is my copy-pasta from my 6 figure job:
Dear Mr. <XXXX>:
I am writing to inform that I am resigning my position effective June 8, 2001. Thank you for the opportunity to be part of the <XXXXX> team.
I will work to ensure a smooth transition during this period.
Sincerely,
You never know--its a small word, don't burn any bridges you don't have to. Its VERY VERY tempting. Don't. Be better than that.
As others have stated above, burning bridges is not going to do anything other than make you feel good for a day or two. You never know who from that company may start a new company and want you to work for them a few years down the road. You'll still get the awesome feeling of walking out the door that last time whether you burn the bridge or keep it civil.
In 2017, I changed jobs 3 times. First place I gave two weeks and trained my replacement as well as I could in two weeks. Nice little simple letter saying I just plain had a better offer. Second place I went to *LIED* to me from the get go - took my company vehicle and gave it to my Junior Partner because I would not work "off the clock". Hired me exclusively as a Field service Engineer with the agreement and understanding that I was no going to do hard core/full time installation. Outside of my aptitudes, interests and experience. I worked there for about 3 months and told them I didn't like the way things were turning out. They ignored me. I put in two weeks notice with a similar nice letter and they booted me out the door as soon as they got the resignation. 2 weeks of no pay.
It's nice to be a nice guy and not burn bridges and play by the rules that Employers have no intention of playing by. I Rage Quit and retired 2 weeks ago - the work a day world is changing. *Everyone* is hiring - everyone is changing jobs and it's an employees market now. Employers can't fuck you shitless and expect any courtesy, notice, or help. They rode me like a post horse, used and abused me, laid me off April 1 2020 to get *millions* in PPP money after my skills brought them millions in Service revenue. Highest producing Service Tech in the whole company.
It's not like it was even 10 years ago. It's every man for himself. Better to be The Fucker than the Fuckee.
VooDoo
If I cared about co workers and it would hose them if I didn't give two weeks to get a replacement, I'd give it even if the company sucked. Then, if they tell you to walk today, at least you tried not to screw your buddies. Send the notice to everyone so they know the truth. You may be working for one of them someday. Be ready to walk.
I worked 7pm to 7am for about 13 years. It was a great gig and made for a lot of time off while still having a full time job. 3 on, 3 off or 4 on, 4 off is great.
2 on, 2 off, 3 on, 2 off, 2 on, 3 off can be hard on your internal clock. Great if you're on days. Not so much on nights. Especially if you have family and kids!
Pay, what you're doing and who you're doing it with are important but never lose sight of the real reason. Family.
Yes it's good to not burn bridges. This coming from someone who has had a previous employer reach out unsolicited to ask me to return and willing to make it worth it. Three times. All different employers. One employer, when I left the second time, asked me to interview the candidates for my replacement.
2 on, 2 off, 3 on, 2 off, 2 on, 3 off can be hard on your internal clock. Great if you're on days. Not so much on nights. Especially if you have family and kids!
Pay, what you're doing and who you're doing it with are important but never lose sight of the real reason. Family.
Yes it's good to not burn bridges. This coming from someone who has had a previous employer reach out unsolicited to ask me to return and willing to make it worth it. Three times. All different employers. One employer, when I left the second time, asked me to interview the candidates for my replacement.
I assume that you trust the people that you will ask for references later on.
If so, approach them privately to tell them that you will be leaving, not sure when exactly, and that you value your relationship with them.
Then walk into your boss' office to tell him that you quit effective immediately.
Now that you have another job lined up, I don't see why you should spend even one more minute working in a place that gives absolutely no fucks about your well being.
Two week notices are for employers who deserve it. It's earned, not entitled.
Two week notices are earned, not entitled.
Meaning when an employer clearly doesn't give a shit about employee health and safety, or any other number of egregious behaviors are shown, they don't deserve the courtesy.
Once a new job is secured, walk in, clean out your shit, and send an e-mail to the boss and HR telling them that they know where to send your last check.
I'm white collar too, in case you were wondering.
Just take the high road and move on. Life isn’t always fair, but keep your head up and your morals about you. In the long run you’ll be glad you did.
It's easy to pre-empt your answer so that it doesn't mean anything.
Every story has two sides.
Read the employee handbook or any agreement/contracts to make sure but very likely, esp in mfg:
* They were BAD. E.g. they'd failed to maintain the compressors, so both seized overnight and they jumped to out loud blaming all us for /sabotaging them/. Did not apologize when the service guys came in, and we all overheard the actual problems. Jackholes, entirely.
- Clear out your personal stuff. Days before. Have it HOME, not in your car.
- Same same for documentation. Do not put anything above corporate bosses so have your documentation, etc. at home, not with you.
- Double check all. Do not want to be wearing issued steeltoes and have to walk barefoot to the car.
- Type up the resignation. However they communicate. If a paper place, bring a printed one. If an email place, send it (but moments before going to tell your supervisor face to face).
- Any warehouse/mfg: 70% chance they tell you to go EOD or NOW. Here, this attitude to workers, they probably mistrust you and are 95% chance you are escorted out.
- OFFER to work till EOM. Even assume it out loud, but don't be surprised if you get a week vacation.
- The start date at the new place is all they need to know. Cannot emphasize this enough. I have seen people loose the new job because old boys club and butthurt old job actually got it withdrawn. Really. Again, do not put /anything/ past bad old job. They do not need to know where you are going. If that offends them, no problem, you get a week off and then a new job.
- Do not be surprised if they change their mind! My "favorite" mfg job example I had* they fired me (no explanation) one mid morning. Okay, and... Oh, you can stay till end of day. Fine, back to work. Half an hour later, different manager comes by, never mind we'll keep you on. Another half an hour, yet another supervisor: revert to original, you are fired End of Day. I probably rolled my eyes pretty hard, went tools down at that moment and said, enough of this, I'll just go home right now. Stopped for sit down lunch on the way.
* They were BAD. E.g. they'd failed to maintain the compressors, so both seized overnight and they jumped to out loud blaming all us for /sabotaging them/. Did not apologize when the service guys came in, and we all overheard the actual problems. Jackholes, entirely.
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This first. Then follow Seanh's advice above. The rest is just "pride fucking with you." Marcelus Wallace.
In all the bad management places I've worked at, my frontline co-workers always new way ahead of time of my intentions to drag up. If someone from management came to me asking about it, I played it off as rumor, knowing in the back of my mind there was a leaker. Management never knew for sure until I told them I'm done and walking out. Bad management likes keeping the workers in the dark, so I like to return the favor.
No matter how bad management has been, I've always stayed true to my trades. Your workmanship speaks a whole lot louder about who you are than any spiteful management will.
I've never quit a job because the work was too hard. I've always quit bad management.
No matter how bad management has been, I've always stayed true to my trades. Your workmanship speaks a whole lot louder about who you are than any spiteful management will.
I've never quit a job because the work was too hard. I've always quit bad management.
So you are quitting because you are concerned about your health and the unsafe work environment......but you want to work there for 2 more weeks to be exposed to more glass???? As for everyone saying its a small world....its a world he wants no more of. The insulation world.
Yeah, @308pirate... I was just giving the full answer but really, leaving right away when the real reason for quitting is for health and safety is a good answer.
Also just ran across this. Maybe soon, none of us can ever quit any job:
Also just ran across this. Maybe soon, none of us can ever quit any job:
What to know about the battle over Wisconsin health care workers now playing out in court
ThedaCare pursued legal action to prevent seven health care workers in Wisconsin from starting a new job at a nearby hospital.
www.postcrescent.com
So we can haz slaves?Yeah, @308pirate... I was just giving the full answer but really, leaving right away when the real reason for quitting is for health and safety is a good answer.
Also just ran across this. Maybe soon, none of us can ever quit any job:
What to know about the battle over Wisconsin health care workers now playing out in court
ThedaCare pursued legal action to prevent seven health care workers in Wisconsin from starting a new job at a nearby hospital.www.postcrescent.com
Last time I gave notice my boss blew up screaming how well he had treated me, I was ungrateful, etc. I gathering my belongings and told him to pull his head out of his ass and blow himself. Went to the range everyday until the new job started.
I was in IT for over 40 years. I've switched a few jobs, here and there, and I've also been on the other end of it (i.e. people have quit my teams). I always approached it with the objective of not "burning bridges." At least, for IT, it's a very small community. Since everyone does move around a lot, everyone knows everyone. One does need to protect their "rep" at all costs. Never leave in anger (i.e. "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT!").
I always gave some notice (might not always be 2 weeks) but it really didn't matter. If you were working a very sensitive job (i.e. confidential info), the morning you gave notice might be your last day, anyway. Some have even been escorted out by security with in 1hour of giving that notice, if the position is truly sensitive. In any case, never give them any indication that you are angry with them. Always use the ol' standards like "opportunity for advancement," etc. etc.
You'll do fine.
I always gave some notice (might not always be 2 weeks) but it really didn't matter. If you were working a very sensitive job (i.e. confidential info), the morning you gave notice might be your last day, anyway. Some have even been escorted out by security with in 1hour of giving that notice, if the position is truly sensitive. In any case, never give them any indication that you are angry with them. Always use the ol' standards like "opportunity for advancement," etc. etc.
You'll do fine.
"Bullshitted their way through an OSHA inspection and out of trouble." 
I find that story quite unbelievable.
OSHA tells you what the fine is for breaking the rules on the books. They don't make judgement calls, or ask the company if what you are doing is safe.
I want to say it was 1k a piece for spliced extension cords when they showed up at my FIL's shop. It took them a few hours to rack up 20k in fines for him. Funny one of the big scrap yards offered to buy him out right after that. I wonder who called OSHA.
"Don't want to burn bridges."
You called OSHA on them, about exactly what you have been bitching about. You bombed that bridge down, bulldozed the rubble into pile then set it fire, and pissed on the ashes. They can't wait for you leave, and would probably never in a million years consider rehiring you. They probably would have liked to have fired you already, but that opens them up to a lawsuit for wrongful termination.
How much were their other fines? I know they got one of the biggest bus manufactures in the country for nearly 1 million about 20 years ago, in my town. They got another shop for nearly 100k when they got my FIL. That shop actually had people working in it, and wasn't just a shop for personal use at a scrap yard.
I find that story quite unbelievable. OSHA tells you what the fine is for breaking the rules on the books. They don't make judgement calls, or ask the company if what you are doing is safe.
I want to say it was 1k a piece for spliced extension cords when they showed up at my FIL's shop. It took them a few hours to rack up 20k in fines for him. Funny one of the big scrap yards offered to buy him out right after that. I wonder who called OSHA.
"Don't want to burn bridges."
You called OSHA on them, about exactly what you have been bitching about. You bombed that bridge down, bulldozed the rubble into pile then set it fire, and pissed on the ashes. They can't wait for you leave, and would probably never in a million years consider rehiring you. They probably would have liked to have fired you already, but that opens them up to a lawsuit for wrongful termination.
How much were their other fines? I know they got one of the biggest bus manufactures in the country for nearly 1 million about 20 years ago, in my town. They got another shop for nearly 100k when they got my FIL. That shop actually had people working in it, and wasn't just a shop for personal use at a scrap yard.
Ouch, if only someone would have posted that in the original thread. Instead it was a chorus claiming his employer was killing him. It looks to me like he should have consulted with his employer, or maybe just done a simple online search, or simply checked the MSDS sheets on the insulation. Instead of going off half cocked based on advice received online. Assumedly costing his company money in OSHA fines. They are like the DOT, they will find something to fine you for.
Now the O.P has not only unduly slandered his company. He came back and told an out right lie, that they bullshitted their way out of getting in trouble with OSHA, instead of admitting they are in compliance.
Now the O.P has not only unduly slandered his company. He came back and told an out right lie, that they bullshitted their way out of getting in trouble with OSHA, instead of admitting they are in compliance.
When was the last time your employer gave you two weeks notice when letting you go? Only when they needed you more than you needed them.
Back a bunch of years ago, when jobs were scarce. I went to work in a plant that manufactured flexible Duct. The entire place was dangerous and it was blazing hot with no air. Glass fibers everywhere in the air. My first week I had my lunch stolen twice. A week later had all my tools stolen. When I said something about my tools I was told tough shit. I started bringing a lunch I could keep in my truck and took my tools home every day. Employer didn't like me sitting in my truck eating lunch in the AC. Didn't like me taking tools home every day. Everyone that worked there hated it also. I got written up for something stupid and decided I had had enough. A week after I left. the people that were still there had a walkout and started talking about unionizing. The gates were padlocked the next day and it never reopened.
I have never regretted leaving...worst place I ever worked!
I have never regretted leaving...worst place I ever worked!
