Interesting read on the decline of religious faith in children.

[theLBC]

No, I summarized what the article you linked stated, which leads me to ask again if you even read the articles, or you're just googling. It seems you started with a conclusion and then tried to backfill a justification by lazily googling.



I've been to school, I have kids in school, I have friends and family who are religious with kids in school. I've heard of no problems, especially from the devout who are not the type to back down from a challenge. I've searched my city for news reports. I've searched the state for news reports and could only find one instance in the past year which is a stretch to call religious discrimination because the religious student was violating the student code of conduct by harassing other students.


You are certain your conclusion is true, so not only do you google for weak evidence to backfill a justification that it's a prevalent problem, you have to imagine cases too where students are suffering in silence of unreported discrimination.

what do you expect from google? i only provided examples to refute the idea that religious symbols are never attacked or restricted and that teachers or schools don't try to control thought or expression.
why are muslims allowed to pray openly in school and yet christians or others are not (in some places).

 

[Blutroop]

No, I summarized what the article you linked stated, which leads me to ask again if you even read the articles, or you're just googling. It seems you started with a conclusion and then tried to backfill a justification by lazily googling.



I've been to school, I have kids in school, I have friends and family who are religious with kids in school. I've heard of no problems, especially from the devout who are not the type to back down from a challenge. I've searched my city for news reports. I've searched the state for news reports and could only find one instance in the past year which is a stretch to call religious discrimination because the religious student was violating the student code of conduct by harassing other students.


You are certain your conclusion is true, so not only do you google for weak evidence to backfill a justification that it's a prevalent problem, you have to imagine cases too where students are suffering in silence of unreported discrimination.

Or he knows his statements are falling on deaf ears.

I’ve seen things in public school. I’ve seen religious persecution and I’ve seen things that go on in prison at school. I bought my first pistol at school. First thing jumping to mind I read about lately was someone who was told they couldn’t read a bible in study hall.

 

[Blutroop]

We are talking about public school here. A gov doctrine institution of test taking. Do thinkers like you and me (all of us) actually still trust our young impressionable minds to public school?
Perhaps we should talk about issues that everyone should be opposed to like gov deciding when your kid should learn about sex and are they still teaching evolution?

 

[CoolJJ]

And while I do not want to start an "oppression olympics, victimhood" type discussion as that is more of a leftist approach, to add perspective to the conversation, I think it is important to note there are still technically eight states in the United States whose constitutions require you to have some type of belief in a god to run for public office (i.e., not be an atheist).

This is correct, however those not enforceable due to a 1961 supreme court decision and subsequent cases that upheld the precedent.

But let me close with the obvious declaration telling a child they can't wear a crucifix, and/or treating them differently than others, is simply unacceptable, or not letting them privately pray at school, etc, is unlawful. All of this should be protected under the 1A. But equally, if not moreso, memorializing officially in one's own constitution via requiring a belief in a supreme being to hold office, is a violation of the COTUS as well.

Both approaches are simply unamerican.

I agree. It's not acceptable and when it does happen it should be remedied. I'm simply saying the problem isn't prevalent or systematic. I've seen a lot of discussion assert the US is a Christian nation founded on biblical principles, a majority of students and teachers are Christian, yet Christians are the most persecuted religion in the country. It's just bizarre.

 

[Darkside-Six]

Whenever I seek clarity about Christianity, I make sure I always consult people who don't believe in Jesus.

 

[Blutroop]

This is correct, however those not enforceable due to a 1961 supreme court decision and subsequent cases that upheld the precedent.


I agree. It's not acceptable and when it does happen it should be remedied. I'm simply saying the problem isn't prevalent or systematic. I've seen a lot of discussion assert the US is a Christian nation founded on biblical principles, a majority of students and teachers are Christian, yet Christians are the most persecuted religion in the country. It's just bizarre.

US was a Christian nation founded on biblical principals. It is not no more.
Read on Christians and the military since obama.
The news never shows blacks attacking whites and shows every time the victim is black but are only blacks being victimized?

 

[chrome]

Whenever I seek clarity about Christianity, I make sure I always consult people who don't believe in Jesus.

You may be surprised how narrow that gap of knowledge really is, via Pew Research Data:

 

[theLBC]

You may be surprised how narrow that gap of knowledge really is, via Pew Research Data:

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interesting, but i have some comments.

1. the quiz is ridiculously easy
2. imho, christianity is probably the least practiced religion by those that claim to be something.
in other words, mormons or jews or muslims are much more likely to have gone to church, temple or mosque and studied their religion than people that "identify as christians". again, jmo.
3. atheism (to me) implies a rejection of religion or religious dogma, not just a lack of faith.
atheists thus have some knowledge of the religion(s) they rejected, while many people that claim to be "christian" have never read the bible.

 

[chrome]

interesting, but i have some comments.

1. the quiz is ridiculously easy
2. imho, christianity is probably the least practiced religion by those that claim to be something.
in other words, mormons or jews or muslims are much more likely to have gone to church, temple or mosque and studied their religion than people that "identify as christians". again, jmo.
3. atheism (to me) implies a rejection of religion or religious dogma, not just a lack of faith.
atheists thus have some knowledge of the religion(s) they rejected, while many people that claim to be "christian" have never read the bible.

200% agree with all 3 points!

 

[theLBC]

i could be wrong because it has been many years, but i think you might know the answer to all 15 questions if you only read Riverworld, by pj farmer.

 

[theLBC]

teachers are just good people right? hahahaha, hopefully this is a joke.

 

[CoolJJ]

what do you expect from google?

Search results. That's it. What I expect from people is to not be intellectually lazy and start with a conclusion and then backfill a justification for it by googling only for results to confirm a bias. I expect from people to actually read the articles they link and ask themselves, is this good evidence? Should it be convincing to me? Should it be convincing to other people who might be skeptical? Is there any evidence against my claim; maybe I should google that too?

i only provided examples to refute the idea that religious symbols are never attacked or restricted and that teachers or schools don't try to control thought or expression.

I see that, but it was pretty weak to support there's some conspiracy afoot to persecute christians.

why are muslims allowed to pray openly in school and yet christians or others are not (in some places).

The premise is false. Christians and Muslims can say their own prayers; just can't be school sponsored.

 

[CoolJJ]

teachers are just good people right? hahahaha, hopefully this is a joke.

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It's not a joke. It's just outrage porn for conservatives, originally published by a facebook group that pushes conspiracies and other dubious information. The photos originally came from the Portland Police arrest of rioters in 2017 on a school day; they would have been in school if they were really teachers. If you do some googling, you can find the names of the individuals arrested which you can then subsequently google and search for on facebook. I couldn't find any supporting evidence that they are teachers. It looks like the person who made this outrage fodder for facebook just wants to push a narrative (teachers bad; persecuting us; brainwashing kids) and conservatives will easily eat it up because of confirmation bias; they won't fact check it.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Eostech]

You trying to convert the non-believer with that shit? @theLBC

seriously though, weak minds being easy to lead astray and all that.

 

[Maggot]

Calling BigFatCock. Service call needed.

 

[Aries256]

That bloated hog doesnt know what atheist means apparently.

 

[Aries256]

Calling BigFatCock. Service call needed.

Some jobs I dont think even he would do. A blender looks more appealing than that thing. Imagine how many big macs, and fried chicken are hidden in those rolls . Good thing is if you need to walk away at a leisurely pace to get away, just toss a doughnut in the opposite direction.

 

[Maggot]

Some jobs I dont think even he would do. A blender looks more appealing than that thing. Imagine how many big macs, and fried chicken are hidden in those rolls . Good thing is if you need to walk away at a leisurely pace to get away, just toss a doughnut in the opposite direction.

The smell of all that grease...

 

[Aries256]

The smell of all that grease...

Fermented grease

 

[Maggot]

Fermented grease

In this case I believe a m ore appropriate word would be:

Rancid