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It's a tough question. People put a lot of extra money into their scar's to get them "right" (new trigger, hand guard, etc.) but they shoot sweet and are very light. If that is worth the cost of admission for you they are worth it. I have one, and so far so good. Will it end up being worth the money? Not sure yet.
Whatever gave you the idea that a SCAR 17 upper will accept an AR-10 lower?
I think he means something like a Handl lower that accepts sr-25 pattern mags.
Because I did it to mine. Sorry meant SR25 lower.
Here's the link for you.Rainier Arms™ | Browse | SCAR Accessories | Handl Defense SCAR-25 Lower
What does it do better than an AR10 platform?
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Nothing really. Liked how they shot when I got to play with one down range. Was my welcome home present.
Wife knows how to treat me.
I own one and think it's worth the price of admission. I've upgraded trigger and mounted nightforce 2.5-10x32 mildot.
With the addition of trigger upgrade and handloading it shoots sub moa. I've rang steel with it out to 1000 yards and have yet to have a malfunction through 500 rounds.
It won't take the place of my bolt rifles, but it's a fun alternative when I feel like mixing it up. I've owned a Larue OBR in the past. The OBR was a little more accurate, but not nearly as reliable. The Scar 17 is also very light weight.
With the addition of trigger upgrade and handloading it shoots sub moa. I've rang steel with it out to 1000 yards and have yet to have a malfunction through 500 rounds.
It won't take the place of my bolt rifles, but it's a fun alternative when I feel like mixing it up. I've owned a Larue OBR in the past. The OBR was a little more accurate, but not nearly as reliable. The Scar 17 is also very light weight.
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I agree with you Nick. If you are expecting to get target precision from a battle rifle without investing some time and money, this is not your rifle. I don't want a billet lower to add weight to the rifle, nor do I want a 26" bull barrel on this so I can utilize a 6.5 caliber. I think it does what it was made to do very well.
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I've owned several 308 AR rifles and my KAC EMC was the most reliable and accurate of the bunch. However, I have sold them all and not replaced them. Note: I may buy a KAC ACC when released. That said, I've owned three scar 17s, sold two, the latest one is not going anywhere anytime soon. I have upgraded the trigger and will upgrade to the MI keymod hand guard soon.
These groups were shot at 100yds using a mix of FGMM and Winchester match ammo w/a bipod and rear bag. The groups were all shot within 10-15 mins max.
Simply put, the scar is very reliable and pretty damn accurate if you're focused and shooting good ammo. I think it's worth the price of entry, just don't expect it to shoot like a custom bolt gun.
These groups were shot at 100yds using a mix of FGMM and Winchester match ammo w/a bipod and rear bag. The groups were all shot within 10-15 mins max.
Simply put, the scar is very reliable and pretty damn accurate if you're focused and shooting good ammo. I think it's worth the price of entry, just don't expect it to shoot like a custom bolt gun.
as has been stated, the Scar 17 is a battle rifle not a precision bolt gun. but as such, it damn sure is worth it, in as much as it's lighter than just about anything comparable, with minor mods is sub MOA, and is more durable and reliable than an AR 10.
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Well, I CAN be swayed . . .
Haha, sorry. But if you dont intend to buy one I didnt see the need to go much farther.
It is a great rifle. It certainly fails miserably in the looks department. Other than that, my opinion is that the scar17 is more dependable, especially when shooting suppressed, than the ar10. It is lighter as well, and shoots almost as well as some of the fancy ar10 designs. It shines as a battle rifle, but is plenty accurate. One thing I have noticed with mine at least, is that it shoots EVERYTHING pretty darn good. I get sub-moa performance out of bulk hornady 150 grain.
Lots of folks seem to want to modify these weapons, but I think they are pretty close to perfect out of the box. I like the stock trigger just fine, but I did drop the giessele in it to shoot long range. The stock trigger takes alot of discipline to shoot lr.
I am running a nf 2.5-10x24 on mine, and it is still very handy with a scope and suppressor.
It is a great rifle. It certainly fails miserably in the looks department. Other than that, my opinion is that the scar17 is more dependable, especially when shooting suppressed, than the ar10. It is lighter as well, and shoots almost as well as some of the fancy ar10 designs. It shines as a battle rifle, but is plenty accurate. One thing I have noticed with mine at least, is that it shoots EVERYTHING pretty darn good. I get sub-moa performance out of bulk hornady 150 grain.
Lots of folks seem to want to modify these weapons, but I think they are pretty close to perfect out of the box. I like the stock trigger just fine, but I did drop the giessele in it to shoot long range. The stock trigger takes alot of discipline to shoot lr.
I am running a nf 2.5-10x24 on mine, and it is still very handy with a scope and suppressor.
I enjoyed mine while I had it, upgraded trigger and rail system, tried out several optics on it. Sold it after enjoying it, got what I paid out of it, and then some.
I really like the Elcan optics on the Scar's. What do you think of it or did you just sell it? The Scar-17 is definitely lighter than my HK-91 or Fal. I believe it's the lightest 7.62x51 battle rifle on the market at this time. I like mine I just need to decide on an optic to put on it.If you are ok with hitting minute of man targets out to 600m than yes, they are awesome. I love mine
I think they are priced a little high but it seems like all lighter weight rifles cost more. That being said, I really like the SCAR 17; so much so, I own two. One is setup for medium to long range with a NF 3.5-15 and the other is set up for shorter ranges with a Vortex Gen II 1-6. Maybe I got lucky with mine but I have no problem with the stock trigger. IMHO it is a fine "battle rifle" but for precision work, there are better options.
MSRP is $3349.00, so at $2500 it's a deal, no??
From the way you are writing I'm sure you've never owned one. The OEM trigger needs to be upgraded for precision shooting; OTOH the OEM heavy trigger pull was intended for combat, not bench-shooting or safe-queening.
The polymer lower does not need to be upgraded. SOF that use the SCAR 17 have never reported this polymer lower cracking or become nonfunctional in some way. If they abuse it and find it adequate, certainly you would not be able to break it during use unless you deliberately tried to do so.
I have no idea what you mean by "if you only want a 308 forever". BTW, SOF has been issued kits that mod the SCAR 17 into a 5.56 platform involving little more than a barrel/bolt swap.
I also have no idea where you get the idea that it can only do 1 MOA with factory match; you should see the targets posted by SCAR-17 owners.
As for options, clearly you have no idea how many products there are for this platform; mine has been modded almost as much as my AR.
The buttstock latch issue was resolved many years ago.
So what are you left with? The OEM trigger is not ideal for civilian bench-shooting. That's pretty much it. But ask yourself how many AR's get upgraded with Geisseles or Timneys for people who want more accurate shooting? All of them?
After fondling a 17 at my LGS I immediately put four of my guns up for sale in order to afford one. Was it designed to be a battle rifle (16" barrel, heavier trigger), sure. Are most folks pleasantly surprised to see that the rifle will do sub MOA and even sub 1/2 MOA without any work, yep. Can you get a little more out of it with a better trigger? That's what a lot of guys are saying.
I haven't modded my rifle at all. It'll do about 5/8" to 3/4" with FGGM at 100 yards. I've scoped it and shot it in local precision rifle matches with good results. Placed 2nd during my last outing with it. I was using FGGM and a 3-9x scope. Our max range is about 500 yards and the guy who beat me was using a 6mm benchrest rifle. I beat out several other .223s and .308s - both bolt and semi-auto.
I'm sold on the SCAR. I think I'll eventually top it with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X32, might upgrade the trigger, and may add the forend extended rail to put the bipod out further. But, for now, it was a wise investment for me and worth every penny.
I haven't modded my rifle at all. It'll do about 5/8" to 3/4" with FGGM at 100 yards. I've scoped it and shot it in local precision rifle matches with good results. Placed 2nd during my last outing with it. I was using FGGM and a 3-9x scope. Our max range is about 500 yards and the guy who beat me was using a 6mm benchrest rifle. I beat out several other .223s and .308s - both bolt and semi-auto.
I'm sold on the SCAR. I think I'll eventually top it with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X32, might upgrade the trigger, and may add the forend extended rail to put the bipod out further. But, for now, it was a wise investment for me and worth every penny.
Yes many AR shooters, myself included, upgrade their AR's with Geissele triggers. The 5 I bought from Trading Palace Pawn cost me $190. The SCAR Geissele trigger cost over 50% more. Then you still have to deal with the pencil thin barrel. When it heats up my groups opened up significantly. I sold mine and am happy I did and got a LaRue OBR and have never looked back.
They don't cost $3K. You should maybe look on GB and see for yourself what the average prices are.
Who is this person, what kind of work, does he do, and would he like to come here and prove all of this while giving his opinion on the subject? If he can do all that, then he is still only one single person who happens to dislike the platform.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Just the barrel itself is $1,100 so I'm not sure what your price outrage is due to. To swap out my AR 5.56 for a 300BLK I have to do pretty much the same thing (except it's the entire upper instead of the lower) and for similar prices. Nonetheless this all still doesn't get to what exactly you mean by if you only want a 308 for the rest of your life.
This sounds like an "I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you" type of statement. Who are these "NUMEROUS" SOF that you know, and would they like to come on record saying they dislike this platform and would prefer whatever platform is your own personal can of beans??? If not, then this statement of your is just standard anonymous internet white noise.
The SCAR mods are more limited than a platform that's already been out for decades? Is that supposed to shock people or something? Maybe you should compare the SCAR to another newer platform and see how many mods and what prices companies charge. And maybe you don't even know all the mods that exist for this gun. This is what I'm thinking because I haven't any problems modding this thing to my heart's content.
This sounds like a general statement that was freshly pulled out of somewhere. Please indicate which "people" on which forums posting which groups are conveniently not showing anything other than the alleged single 1 MOA group. Links (that still work)?
Yeah if you decide to intentionally break them. When you say they still break, please indicate what experience you have with them breaking. Or rather, what experience your numerous SOF buddies have with breaking them, and get them to come here and say so.
This statement sounds like a preemptive move to try and invalidate all future responses as baseless fanboy defenses. Good forward thinking, sir. Not going to work, but still a nice try.
The SCAR has a couple of little quirks that are easy fixes. I don't think they are the "best" rifle out there but they are certainly worth looking at. The stock breaking I think is actually the folding mechanism. It is a cheap fix and really does not need addressed at all if you don't slam it shut. I hear people complain about the trigger a lot but it really isn't that bad once you spend a little time with it. I had to practice a little with my 16s to get it to group, but once I figured it out I was very pleased with the results. If you can pick one up for 2500.00 I would say go for it. I paid that much for my 16s a while back and I don't regret it at all. This group was shot at 100yds with Fiocchi match ammo. The gun will consistently hold under MOA with good ammo. I have also shot 17's with same results.
Really? If you see that "all the time", surely you can share a few links to help us believe that you didn't just pull this $3K number out of a dark crevasse? And I love how you pull out the MSRP as if this number actually had jack shit to do with anything. Shall I link some GB prices for you and everybody here, or did you already look them up, and decide that you would rather pursue the MSRP schtick instead? ;-)
No, actually 17, as I mentioned also comes in 5.56; in addition 6.8SPC, 300BLK, and 7.62x39 are also available. How many "flavors" is that?
Define "limited" and "expensive". Please indicate your knowledge of SCAR mods that qualifies you to say they are limited. Limited as in I cannot get the mod that I want? Go ahead and tell us which mod for the SCAR that you think is needed (or even just convenient), is actually unavailable.
Expensive is also a completely relative term. Someone who can afford a high quality firearm in the range of the SCAR is not going to be your average $600 Bushmaster purchaser either, nor would you expect mods for the SCAR to be knocked off by cheapass companies like NCStar or Rothco or whatever. If you would like to define AR mods from these companies as "cheap", then you are more than welcome to them.
That's usually how it works.
And you're right. You can't show us so it must not be true. Problem?
Uh huh, right.....
Since you've allegedly come across so many, how about some photos of broken latches? No?
You should learn to read better. I'm pretty sure I never called you personally a fanboy. I'm not claiming that you are NOT a fanboy, merely that I didn't accuse you of being one.
Uhhh, I'm pretty sure YOU were the one to "drag" your alleged "friends" into this discussion and then refuse to provide any backup for "their" alleged opinions. You don't agree?
I could make up all kinds of bullshit friends too and say that they claim this, that or the other. On the internet, people can make up whatever "SOF" best friends they want and then attribute their own opinions to that of their supposed buddies and peddle it on a forum as the real deal. This happens all the time on gun forums.
I have one, I like it. It does have its limitations. I think it is a very much compromise rifle that does many things well but no one thing exceptional. Im not sub MOA with mine, more like 1.5 MOA and Im fine with that considering its light weight and compact size. IIRC there is a member here who uses one to hunt in AK with good effect.
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HDD stuff is vaporware
G trigger is gtg
Recip CH is crap
Still on the fence about optic damage
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HDD stuff is vaporware
G trigger is gtg
Recip CH is crap
Still on the fence about optic damage
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I might be bias since I own 4 SCARs two of which are 17S. =0)
GB prices are indeed around $2,600, and that's what they are selling for these days. But YOUR claim is that they sell for "$3K" "all the time". Why would anyone buy them from you EVER for $3K when they could buy from someone else for $2.6K, to speak nothing of "all the time"??? No offense, but this smells like bullshit.
If someone makes them, it's an offered caliber; what exactly do you mean by "offered caliber" then? And you're right, those specialty barrels are not "$2500", unless you're you trying to claim that HDD or someone only sells complete rifles in those calibers? What the point of a kit then? And as I keep saying, the military also has kits that turn the 17 into a 5.56.
As far as handguard options, I personally know of FIVE different handguard options for the SCAR. If you want just siderail mod, I personally know of two. There are probably more that I can't recall right now.
Your turn.
My point which you obviously missed is that if you want quality you have to pay for it, and the SCAR world in general doesn't contain "cheap" shitty mods like the AR world does. If that is the basis by which you judge "cheap" vs "expensive" then perhaps your judgment needs to be reevaluated.
Again, you are unable to put your money where your mouth is, so yes, I will in fact believe what I want, which is that you are talking nonsense out of your ass. Prove me wrong. Go ahead.
Why? Again, because you are talking out of your ass. Numerous broken stocks have come through your shop, eh? Bullshit. Prove me wrong or GTFO.
I mentioned SOF in two instances. The first was that SOF have not reported cracked polymer lowers, and the second was that SOF have been issued 5.56 conversion kits for the 17. You made implicitly acknowledgement of the latter already. As for non-cracking plastic lowers, you should slide over to FN Forums and read up for yourself. This exact topic sometimes comes up with new members who are concerned about the lower not being made of metal, but the answer is always the same, and not a single person has ever been able to find any evidence of this lower getting cracked during regular combat use. This platform has been in service with SOCOM for many years now without any reports of cracked lowers. All you to do is find a single instance of this happening and you could demonstrate me and all of FN Forums to be wrong on this issue.
Your ass, on the other hand, has claimed to personally know "NUMEROUS" people in SOF who've supposedly experienced issues with the SCAR 17. This type of grandiose claim is an automatic red flag to me, and smells of all kinds of bullshit. Which is why I asked you to back yourself up, and unsurprisingly you refused. Did you really think you weren't going to get pressed further when you claim to know numerous SOF that conveniently all share your side of an argument? LOL
I sold the Elcan off. Dont get me wrong, it was a great piece of glass but I felt limited with the BDC. I'm looking to replace it with a US Optics SR-8s to get the advantage of a "Red Dot" sight meets 1-8x power hybrid that it is.
Correct, they are not getting that much and selling them. A gun that sells on GB for $2.6K is not going to fetch $3K at a LGS, at least certainly not “all the time”. You are just flat out lying about your alleged experiences of selling $3K SCAR’s “all the time”.
It certainly puts a lie to your claim that you have to live with just the 308 forever. And it’s funny how you set such a high standard for the SCAR. How many other semi-auto 308’s can quickly swap out into other calibers, and how much do they cost? Most 308's have to live with being a 308 forever, but somehow this would not be acceptable for the SCAR platform? What a ridiculous joke of an argument LOL
And how many of those options do you actually need or want? Like I said before, the AR has been around for decades, and all manner of mods have been made for it, from the cheapest shit which it seems like you prefer, to the high end quality stuff, which is typically what SCAR accessory manufacturers sell. If you can’t afford SCAR accessories, you certainly can’t afford a SCAR. And what recent newer system do you know of that has as many mods as an AR? Do you know of any? Of course you don’t, because there isn’t any. You must be an AR-only owner, since it has so many mods and this makes it so much more awesome than other systems. Like I said before, do you know of any mods that the SCAR needs that isn’t currently available? You struck out with the handguard shot; nice try on that one. Take another shot. Go ahead.
There’s you being full of shit again. I would love for you to prove this one. Or is this another “I can say whatever I want and don't have to prove shit” statement?
No need to type you to death. It’s already obvious to anyone following this thread that you’re completely full of shit.
You mentioned having to upgrade the lower in your original post. What else would you be referring to? Or did you conveniently decide to forget that part?
I have 200 SWAT, DEA, and SOF best friends that say the SCAR is the most perfect killing machine in the history of this planet. I don’t need to ask them to come here and back me up because this thread is not really that important and you should just take my word for it. I win. Problem?
I agree with Meat. Have several SWAT and ex-military buddies who have used the SCAR platform in the field and couldnt state more clearly as Meat did. Don't believe everything you read on the internet rather go to the primary sources (if possible) to get your answers.
Is a SCAR 17 really worth the asking price?
That's a shitload of best friends. I guess our definition of "best friend" could differ. The fact that they're all SWAT, DEA, or SOF really made me laugh.
That's a shitload of best friends. I guess our definition of "best friend" could differ. The fact that they're all SWAT, DEA, or SOF really made me laugh.
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What other full caliber semi auto rifle would, in your opinion, give you more "bang" for the same buck?
With "bang" I mean the overall score of accuracy, reliability, compactness (weight, length), and shootability.
The last item (shootability) is somewhat fuzzy and subjective but I heard from people who shot a SCAR17 for the first time more than once words like: "I cannot believe that this is a .308 This does not weigh a ton and it does not kick like a mule either". Even teenagers or petite women had no second thoughts about emptying a twenty rounder like they were shooting an AR15 mouse gun. The SCAR17 is -after the twice as heavy BAR - the only full caliber battle rifle were full auto could actually be useful for anything other than giggles on a range or for compensating fear with noise in combat.
What leaves room for improvement on a factory SCAR17 is IMO:
- Trigger (fixed by Mr. Geissele or with a stone and polishing wheel in your own hands)
- Reciprocating charging handle (fixed by training)
- Lack of other calibers (hopefully fixed with time either by FN or reliable aftermarket vendors)
- Lock mechanism of folding stock (same as above)
As far as the lack of aftermarket gizmos compared to the AR10 platform is concerned, keep in mind that the AR10, SR25, etc. is a 65+ old broad that has been face-lifted more often than anyone cares to know. The SCAR is not even a teenager yet. Give it a few more years and you'll find plenty of bras in the SCAR closet too.
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As I stated earlier. This is the Internet. Do your own research and go from there and use the Internet resources as is - face value.
I made my own decision that it's well worth it and left it at that. If I end up not liking it. I will sell it. Simple as that.
As I stated earlier. This is the Internet. Do your own research and go from there and use the Internet resources as is - face value.
I made my own decision that it's well worth it and left it at that. If I end up not liking it. I will sell it. Simple as that.
Exactly my feelings.
The argument about how many "authorities" like SOCOM or someone's personal operator buddies actually agree with our personal choices or not is pointless anyway since their mission profile and needs are most likely different from yours, mine, or Joe Civilian's.
Let's just wait and see. If a counter-attack does not follow it may be because my statement that the SCAR17 is great, certainly worth its money, but not perfect beyond the possibility of improvement was not perceived as an attack on someone's personal choice/opinion.
Not just me, dumbass. Anybody. And yes, something that goes for $2.6K on the internet is not going to get you “$3K” “all the time” in the store. You telling a lie a thousand times won’t turn it into the truth. Economics is economics, unless your customers are fellow retards who only like to buy from their own kind.
No, you would in fact be shooting a 17 down-calibered to 5.56, so you don’t have to live with 308 forever. Your opinion on what constitutes convenience or price point is irrelevant to the fact that a 17 can be converted to a 5.56. Therefore, you have again LIED about the 17 being a 308 “forever”. Also, this point is again a mentally retarded argument made by a mental retard, since how many people make all their gun choices based on how many different calibers a given platform can swap into? It sounds like you’re claiming that if a gun cannot convert, it’s not worth buying. So if you personally own ANY gun that is single caliber only, then you are a full-on hypocrite. Why choose a gun that cannot convert to another caliber, since this seems so important to you? And if this is not actually a paramount point in the assessment of a gun, then why the fuck did you bring up this idiotic issue in the first place?
I never disagreed that AR accessories can be cheaper than SCAR accessories. But again, your point is as stupid as you seem to be, since in general you get what you pay for, and if you want cheap, you will get cheap.
You also said this: “Every mod for the SCAR is more expensive than even the expensive mods for an AR. That's what happens when you have a proprietary system.”
That means if I can find even ONE SCAR mod cheaper than an expensive AR mod, then you are a liar. Well let’s prove you a liar three times over, shall we?
AR Rainier charging handle: $85.45
Amazon.com : Rainier Arms Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle - .223 / 5.56mm : Other Products : Sports & Outdoors
SCAR GG&G charging handle: $33.45
Amazon.com : Gg&G Scar Angled Charging Handle : Sports & Outdoors
AR Strike Industries selector: $24.95
Amazon.com : Strike Industries AMBI Hex Selector Switch 90 Degrees : Sports & Outdoors
SCAR Magpul selector: $19.30
Amazon.com : Magpul SSG Scar Selector Set, Black : Hunting And Shooting Equipment : Sports & Outdoors
AR Lancer Systems handguard (midlength): $224.42
Lancer Systems LCH Free Float Tube Handguard AR-15 Vented Carbon Fiber
SCAR SRX handguard: $199.95
PWS Accessories: SRX Rail Extension Offerings
Shall I prove you a liar even more times? ROFLMAO!
You specifically said that the lower would have to be changed. Stop being intellectually dishonest and tell everyone here why the lower has to be changed, if you are NOT in fact trying to insinuate that the SCAR’s polymer lower will somehow be inadequate during use? If this is not what you are trying to claim, then why the fuck did you bring up this idiotic issue in the first place?
I don’t have a Call of Duty team. Just like you don’t have “numerous SOF” friends. Problem?
No, thmpr said he has some ex-millitary and SWAT friends who like the SCAR. That sounds reasonable. YOUR idiot ass on the other hand said that you had, and I quote, “numerous SOF” friends who agree with whatever retardedness you are claiming on this forum. Next time, if you’re going to lie, at least make it obviously a joke, or something less idiotically implausible.
You know I was trying to make fun of -Dick-, right? I don’t actually have any SOF friends. That is to say, I have about as many SOF friends as -Dick- does.
What could have been a great thread has now been reduced into a pile of name calling-dick measuring bullshit. Fuck you guys.
This has been happening a lot lately it seems. Someone always has to bring out the measuring stick.
I happen to enjoy my SCAR 17 immensely. For a light compact rifle it is hard to beat. If you would ask my lady what rifle I like best that would be the ticket. Many many many times I come back from a day of shooting and have the comment "guess what I did with the scar today?!". I also own several large frame AR's that have been sitting on the shelf ever since I acquired the scar. Worth every penny. My only complaint is not having a second longer barrel however that 16" CL barrel can do amazing things.
SCAR 17 + ACOG + Atlas bipod + Surefire can = A happy man
I need ammo also. Something in the range of capsizing a house.
You want to shoot it too??? Here i thought this dick measuring contest was about the SCAR 17 being worth the money...........silly .....guy wants to shoot it too!! He he.
I hear ya on the ammo thing though; I'm buying a Dillon 650 next week, cause there aint no more surplus 308
I hear ya on the ammo thing though; I'm buying a Dillon 650 next week, cause there aint no more surplus 308
Oh, look, Buds sells them for less than 2700.
FN SCAR Semi-Automatic 308 Winchester 20+1 Capacity 16" Barr $2,684.00 SHIPS FREE
Lead poisoning and excessive internet use both lead to diminished intelligence and excessive aggression, so it makes sense gun forums would have a lot of this.
only a complete fucking moron would pay an additional 300 dollars for something when they don't have to.
besides, you have been proven to be full of shit.
You don't like the scar, fine.
Get over it.
