I have a S&B 5-25 DT with Gen 2XR reticle. Looking at another one for the Tac Ops I'm having built and have been contemplating a TT. Can anyone give some insite who has handled them both to see if it's really that much better to justify the expense.
"Better" is not a simple thing to quantify, since everyone places value on different features. The 5-25x56 S&B is an excellent scope that is a proven quantity. Also, you are familiar with it, which has a lot of value in and of itself.
Tangent Theta TT525P is a newer design and it was built, in some ways, to outperform the S&B, which it mostly does, but the differences are not night and day. These are both very nice scopes and the differences are small. Generally, S&B 5-25x56 more or less defined this category and most scopes that came after it were designed expressly to beat it. The fact that so few manage to acomplish that is a testament to how solid this design is.
In a nutshell:
-Turret feel is better on Tangent Theta. I think these are the best turrets on the market, bar none.
-Optical quality in the 15x to 25x magnification range is pretty close. I think TT is a touch better in terms of microcontrast, but that is alrgely it
-Optical quality in the 5x to 15x magnification range is better with TT. S&B is really nicely optimized at the higher magnifiaction range, but below 15x, TT is clearly better to my eyes. Many people do not care about lower magnification ranges, but my scopes tend to spend most of the their time in the 8x to 14x range, so this is important to me.
-Reticle choice: a lot more options with S&B
-Track record: S&B has been around longer
-Locking turret: TT does not have a locking turret in case that is important to you
-Eye relief flexibility: pretty close. TT is a little better at lower magnifications.
Since I like Gen 2 XR reticle, for my money, I would go with TT, but it is your money, so you need to decide what is important to you.
ILya
As with all things, at some point you will hit diminishing returns. The differences between the high-end optics come down more to user preference at that point, as spending that extra money isn't going to make you hit the target you missed with the other optic. What do you need, rather than I bought X because it costs more.
For me, because of the conditions I usually shoot in, a locking turret is something I need to have. That tosses TT out for me because of that.
I don't really get why the tool less zero is such a cool thing. Maybe I'm not understanding something. It just replaces tools to loosen a turret right?
I don't really get why the tool less zero is such a cool thing. Maybe I'm not understanding something. It just replaces tools to loosen a turret right?
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Optical quality in the 5x to 15x magnification range is better with TT. S&B is really nicely optimized at the higher magnifiaction range, but below 15x, TT is clearly better to my eyes. Many people do not care about lower magnification ranges, but my scopes tend to spend most of the their time in the 8x to 14x range, so this is important to me.
ILya
I don't really get why the tool less zero is such a cool thing. Maybe I'm not understanding something. It just replaces tools to loosen a turret right?
Now, if a scope manufacturer figured out a way to allow you to have multiple zeros... that would be incredible. Kinda like the Razor Gen II turrets, and witness marks... although I've yet to test it out.
Ah so you've tested it and it returns to those settings without hiccups? If that's the case, I'm going to have to start using it on one of my switch barrel setups.
Is there any warranty on a the TT anymore?
There always been a lifetime fully transferable warranty for TT.
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Yes, but all TT scopes are no longer covered.
I think you might be thinking about Premier. Premier is gone and TT graciously took up warranty service for SOME of their scopes.
Pretty sure TT covers all TT warranties.
I know of no future reticles being released. Lots of folks competing and doing VERY well with the GenIIXR. I hunt with it almost exclusively as well. Fantastic reticle.
Thanks Greg for your reply, I appreciate it.. I'm not saying I can't use it, I'd just hate to drop that kind of cash and the 2018 shot show rolls around and they are introducing a new and improved reticle. Lol..
It's gossip/hearsay, so take it for what it's worth. But when I bought my TT a year-and-a-half ago, I asked them about reticles. I was told they have no immediate plans to introduce new reticles within the next 5+ years at the very least.
There is literally no competition between those two scopes.That's a little disappointing but it is what it is.. Like I told you FourT6and2, I'm having trouble deciding between the TT 525P and the NF ATACR 7-35 Tremor3..
I tried a Schmidt & Bender PM II 5-25, I wasn't a fan of the turrets or the parralax, not to mention the tunneling from 5-7.... The glass was great though, I think you dodged a bullet there... How much does the TT seem to darken at the top of it's mag range and is the reticle illumination daylight bright?
So to everyone who's owned the Tangent Theta 525P, how's the tracking performance? For those of you that have needed the warranty on them, what was the problems with the optic?