Is Russia done pretending?

[Terry Cross]

Well, Ukraine isn’t exactly making their own shit either.

For sure.

As far as consumables like ammo and a lot of tech, it is the US, UK, France, Germany, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Canada, Sweden, Norway and the EU as a group supplying Ukraine with EVERYTHING including pensions for their public sector and million $ outfits for Mrs. Zelensky.

Russia is supplementing munitions via NK and some strategically valuable material like nitrocellulose from China.

Considering they are operating within worldwide sanctions and embargos, the Russians are doing pretty good.

 

[232593]

Tons of people keep viewing the current Russian Federation as yesterday's Soviet Union. I feel like that is a mistake.
They are a completely different animal now

Facts

 

[Downtown]

I wonder how threads like this, on all forums and comment pages, are influenced by foreign actors. We know this is done, that's not disputable. I'm just curious if it's successful in influencing opinion. I'm expecting so, since it's so prevalent across all our social media. Just hope we're doing just as much back at them.

 

[NoDopes]

Indicators of Increased Production
Dramatically Increased Output: Reports indicate that Russia has doubled or tripled production in many categories and, in some instances, seen production rise by factors of 10 to 30 for specific products like artillery ammunition and drones over the last two years.

Nobody here is falling for the BS. Ukraine is fucked and they know it.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

The difference is we can make more. We don’t have to beg Mexico to sell us some of their junk.

No we really can't..not at replacement level for what is a low intensity small conflict. We buy a ton of our shit from foreign nations and Russians economy and population is a small fraction of the US.

Both countries have war reserves that only get touched when the chips really get laid down. Neither is touching them until it's an existential threat. If anything Russia has the capability to make more munitions faster due to their massive Soviet era infrastructure and stockpiling.

We are learning the hard lesson why industrial and war production capacity needs to be maintained all times..even if it looses money during peacetime it's in valuable during war time.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Not without materials and components from other countries AFAIK. Like China, Canada, Germany, Taiwan.

Not to mention our cost is much greater due to complexity and labor costs. How many tomahawks or standard missiles can you make a month? A fuck load less than you would shoot in low intensity.

 

[Emerson0311]

If you think that is because they are out of supply/inventory, I think you would be incorrect.

Some say they are not throwing their best tech and best top tier fighters into Ukraine except as testing and experience samples. Why should they expend their main inventory reserves when they can purchase or trade for all the ammunition they want to blow in Ukraine?



In the mean time, we've had US Marine live fire training cycles hobbled due to so much of our inventories of 105 and 155 arty being sent to Ukraine. Our guys literally couldn't train with live ammo.
How does that make us look?

It is an accurate representation of the ethos gripping America.

 

[Emerson0311]

Is russia pretending? Their tactics dont seem to have changed since ww1. Throw arty and meat till the city is theirs.

The Kursk sank back in 2000 (i think) due to shitty equipment and horrible leadership. the aircraft cruiser cant get out of dry dock. The T-14 armadas got destroyed (go javelins) The ak-12 is junk. They have to buy drones from iran. The Stealth fighter they have has a life limited engine to the point china wont buy it. And has a large radar cross section.

I know im just a civie who flys planes and gets drunk. But i really think the Russian bear died in the cave. But we are all too scared to go into the cave.

NATO is also a joke. Leaving Afghanistan ring a bell? A couple decades of GWOT accomplishing the stand up credible Islamic armies across the ME. China left to financially own NA. The west is just a chubby washed up lady boy begging for some action to feel useful again.

 

[Emerson0311]

Speculatively Russia has far more mineable raw resources than us within it's own borders. It also has a still somewhat intact and functioning industrial base.

Our own ability so scale and surge on consumables is absolutely compromised due to offshoring and outsourcing.

The argument could be made that they can make more battle critical consumables than we can.
The good thing is that our current administration absolutely sees that deficiency and is trying to remedy it.

Tons of people keep viewing the current Russian Federation as yesterday's Soviet Union. I feel like that is a mistake.
They are a completely different animal now.

And they are quite familiar with “medium intensity” modern drone warfare. Now compare the average 20 yr old North American male to the Russian one. Who would you bet on in a miserable shithole battle that goes on for months without much hope for positive change? Stirring podcasts of high speed low drag GWOT warriors from times gone by are not the same as fatalistic drunken killers surviving the daily education in the school of hard knocks. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t missed any meals either, and 20 yr old me would leave 50’s me in the dust.

 

[Emerson0311]

For sure.

As far as consumables like ammo and a lot of tech, it is the US, UK, France, Germany, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark, Japan, Canada, Sweden, Norway and the EU as a group supplying Ukraine with EVERYTHING including pensions for their public sector and million $ outfits for Mrs. Zelensky.

Russia is supplementing munitions via NK and some strategically valuable material like nitrocellulose from China.

Considering they are operating within worldwide sanctions and embargos, the Russians are doing pretty good.

Ukraine represents “us” and it is losing badly by every metric that matters. That is the scary part.

 

[c1steve]

Speculatively Russia has far more mineable raw resources than us within it's own borders. It also has a still somewhat intact and functioning industrial base.

Our own ability so scale and surge on consumables is absolutely compromised due to offshoring and outsourcing.

The argument could be made that they can make more battle critical consumables than we can.
The good thing is that our current administration absolutely sees that deficiency and is trying to remedy it.

Tons of people keep viewing the current Russian Federation as yesterday's Soviet Union. I feel like that is a mistake.
They are a completely different animal now.

I don't think so. Russia has invaded western Europe seven times in the last 200-300 years. Everytime they have a lot of money in the bank, they try to take over another country. Putin appears to have a Napoleon attitude. Remember the Russian apartment bombings? 200+ Russians killed? This was done by the KGB, and Putin was head of KGB at the time. They needed an excuse to take over Chechnya.

 

[c1steve]

Ukraine represents “us” and it is losing badly by every metric that matters. That is the scary part.

No, not true. Russia continues to advance very slowly, but at great cost. Every year the Russians are getting weaker, and the Ukrainians are improving. With US help, the Ukrainians may be able to push back Russia before long. Kerch bridge will probably be gone within 6-12 months. If and when that happens, everyone will realize that Russia is not as formidable as they think.

 

[Emerson0311]

No, not true. Russia continues to advance very slowly, but at great cost. Every year the Russians are getting weaker, and the Ukrainians are improving. With US help, the Ukrainians may be able to push back Russia before long. Kerch bridge will probably be gone within 6-12 months. If and when that happens, everyone will realize that Russia is not as formidable as they think.

I think differently. Ukraine is the corpse from weekend at Bernie’s.

 

[BCP]

Russia says a 'fiery conflict' with the West has now begun

Russia has declared that a Cold War is over and a 'fiery' conflict with the West is now under way.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Please

We are watching peak Russian performance in Ukraine right now. It’s been years and they’re still at a stalemate lol.

Unless they wanna go nuclear. But Putin isn’t crazy so unlikely to happen.

Europe wants ww3? They don’t have militaries anymore. The Germans probably can’t field an armored brigade.

Just bullshit rolling on and on.

 

[DocRDS]

Respectfully, "can't" is a tricky word.

We could have knocked out North Korea but we didn't.
Same for North Vietnam and for Afghanistan.

I don't think it was a question of ability, it was a matter of degree and how far to dial up the heat. Optics, politics, corruption, egos, . . . lots of variables.

I'm too stupid to understand world geopolitics but I'm really sure Russia could handle Ukraine, German and Poland.
It just wouldn't be pretty and the rest of the world would look at their savagery with a critical eye. They need to remain in a position to recover into a somewhat solid economic trade posture with the rest of the world if they are going to grow and improve quality of life for their citizens.

That's actually spot on--they ONLY way for them at this point to knock out Ukraine is via Nuclear Means. Same for Germany and Poland. Projecting thier (Russian) military might has failed, they are in a much worse position then they were before as this little third world province has fended off a conventional attack for 3+ years now. By default Ukraine has "won" by simply surviving.

Now they are stirring up trouble with Poland and the quiet man of Europe--Germany. There was a reason the old policy of the brits was Americans, In, Russians Out, Germans Down. They (Germany) are the continental power in terms of output and wielder of the big stick. And then the real kicker, you go after Poland, and Nato becomes involved. Even without the US Russian would be outmanned and outgunned + has 3 years of grinding losses. Plus they pushed numerous other countries into NATO. I don't know how h is home support is, but he has to appear "tough" because Russia has not improved its standing.

Putin loves to rattle his saber. Nothing new from when the war started and he talked all big about nuclear weapons.

 

[hangunnr]

At the current pace Britain, France and Germany will shortly be Islamic Republics.
……

Remember that 2 of those 3 countries are nuclear capable….

That’s the gigantic radioactive elephant in the room that’ll likely be the cause of putting American boots on the ground.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Please

We are watching peak Russian performance in Ukraine right now. It’s been years and they’re still at a stalemate lol.

Unless they wanna go nuclear. But Putin isn’t crazy so unlikely to happen.

Europe wants ww3? They don’t have militaries anymore. The Germans probably can’t field an armored brigade.

Just bullshit rolling on and on.

What they do have is the United States to drag In to their bullshit...which will not happen. Europe is due to get their shit pushed in. I rather watch the continent turn to glass than turn into islamist shithole like the middle east. Russia is using bare minimum assets in Ukraine. They are throwing their shittiest equipment and troops at it. If they really wanted Ukraine they would have it. They don't want it for what it would cost to take it so they are happy with the ground they do have...creating a buffer.

What you are seeing is peak European and Ukraine efforts doing nothing. The only thing keeping the lights on and not a full Russian takeover is the US support and aid. Which IMO should have never happened. Let Russia have Ukraine. Not our problem.

 

[918v]

No we really can't..not at replacement level for what is a low intensity small conflict. We buy a ton of our shit from foreign nations and Russians economy and population is a small fraction of the US.

Both countries have war reserves that only get touched when the chips really get laid down. Neither is touching them until it's an existential threat. If anything Russia has the capability to make more munitions faster due to their massive Soviet era infrastructure and stockpiling.

We are learning the hard lesson why industrial and war production capacity needs to be maintained all times..even if it looses money during peacetime it's in valuable during war time.

Yes, we can:

US Army ups ammo output with new 155mm loading, packing plant

The service can produce 40,000 monthly. The goal is 100,000.

www.armytimes.com

 

[375fan]

When the Ruskies start parachuting into central Ohio like they did in Red Dawn let me know, got some free bullets for them. Until that happens stop painting them as international badasses we should be having nightmares about.
We should fear the dumbasses in DC more.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

We should fear the dumbasses in DC more.

Agreed, but anyone that has the ability to place a Neutron device where they want it, is worrisome in my book. It's been my experience, if you poke/push your enemies long enough, at some point they will do something irrational.

 

[BurtG]

I honestly hope Russia nukes Ukraine, Britain, france , Germany and the other shit stains trying to drag everyone into ww3. Europe is a cancer of globalist woke faggots that's deserve to die.

Best thing US could do is back away and let Russia do what needs to be done. In the end the world will be a better place.

Women voters would vote to send men to die in war if that happened.

 

[BurtG]

We should fear the dumbasses in DC more.

Our gov is much more of a threat to our liberty and peace than any outside country / cartel / drug / race etc

 

[BurtG]

That’s the gigantic radioactive elephant in the room that’ll likely be the cause of putting American boots on the ground.

Suffering from suffrage.

All due to woman wanting to mother everyone / ie importing shit hole people and paying them to breed


We are doing the same thing here just with mainly blacks and Mexicans

 

[232593]

Re-Evaluating Russia's Special Operation In Light Of The Valdai Club's Startling Insight | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Ukraine Promotes Neo-Nazi Founder Of Azov Regiment To Brigadier General | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[ken226]

Yes, we can:

US Army ups ammo output with new 155mm loading, packing plant

The service can produce 40,000 monthly. The goal is 100,000.

www.armytimes.com

Russia is at 250,000 monthly, @ 1/3 the cost per shell.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine

 

[918v]

Russia is at 250,000 monthly, @ 1/3 the cost per shell.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine

CNN is for idiots.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

CNN is for idiots.

You misspelled any media. They all are paid via clicks/views, so it behooves them to keep the pot boiling.
Boots on the ground, or in the loop are your best bet, but never count out agenda shills as they are embedded everywhere, including HERE.

 

[ken226]

Yes, we can:

US Army ups ammo output with new 155mm loading, packing plant

The service can produce 40,000 monthly. The goal is 100,000.

www.armytimes.com

No, we can't.

CNN is for idiots.

Here ya go. The same numbers from elsewhere. 250,000>40,000

Is Russia producing a year's worth of NATO ammunition in three months?

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has repeatedly said that Moscow’s annual ammunition production capacity is four times greater than that of the western alliance. #EuroVerify

www.euronews.com

Russia on track to build artillery shell stockpile triple the size of the US's and Europe's combined: top US general

Gen. Chris Cavoli says Russia is rebuilding its forces swiftly, including by producing 10 times as many tanks as the US each year.

www.businessinsider.com

Russia is producing artillery shells around three times faster than Ukraine's Western allies and for about a quarter of the cost

Sky News visited a group of new recruits who were learning how to use an N-LAW anti-tank missile, first provided to the Ukrainian military by the UK.

news.sky.com

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/how-can-the-west-counter-russias-artillery-advantage-5756

 

[Ronws]

Is somebody getting married?








Sorry. Had to lighten up the mood. . . . . .

"Yes, your Honor. She is my fiance."

"Ah, that explains the animosity."

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Seems a coup transpired in Tbilisi, GA. Is the pro Russian pres being uh,... retired,... w/ one that favors the west?

 

[lariat]

I think there are issues in the background that don’t hit the mainstream media.

1. Basil 3. The only developed central reserve with any clout to get on the train is the US. It risks dollar hegemony. That means power via economic means.

2. BRICS. The majority of major supporters of Russia are also BRICS members and have either been on the receiving end of sanctions or tariffs. Embridge has taken its maiden flight successfully and promises settlement of accounts outside of SWIFT. This is a bigger deal than most realize.

3. The return of an international gold standard outside of SWIFT. China has a settlement vault in Hong Kong, one planned in Saudi Arabia and other places. China cannot be toppled like Qaddafi was when he tried the same. The is a real threat to the Eurodollar system. It needs to be remembered just how much of the world is already in BRICS from a population % standpoint. And it is increasing. An easy way to see this is what gold and silver have done in the past year; it appears that there is an attempt to collapse the fiat monetary system.

4. There is a remote but real risk that BRICS and BRICS-aligned countries enter into economic warfare with the 5eyes and cut NATO off at the knees via critical resources, precious and strategic metals included. This in my mind is a certainty. It will include Mexico.

5. It is highly probable that Russia is taking the military and economic hit to reduce NATO’s reserves to the point that when it comes time to employ troops NATO can’t on a scale that manipulates the outcome. Russia may not be grinding down Ukraine but NATO as well. The nations supporting them have a vested interest in seeing this happen so they can move in on territory they have their eyes on. Not everyone views the lives of countrymen as important, important players view it as an inconsequential down payment to achieve the overall goal. And I am having serious questions about the EU caring about their own people and instead preferring to send them to war and allows the muzzies to further overrun them and defacto take over Europe while the historically valid national men die.

This banging of the war drums and completely ignorant statements by some here need to be adjusted to the reality of what is occurring. It is currently a two front war already occurring- military via proxy and economic against foe that is more than willing to take the hits for the overall goal. I haven’t even mentioned cyber. I feel like they are holding that in reserve. That’s a whole nuther can of worms from Russia, Iran and China.

But this post is too long and I suspect that most won’t read or consider it, instead choosing to beat their chest while the enemy works on multiple fronts to destroy our Waffle House culture.

These are some of the reasons we are about to go to real no bullshit war. Its economics and the power that goes along with it.

 

[doubloon]

 

[lariat]

A number of people simp after other members in the stock market and other threads who crow about returns. It’s time to look at the international politics and macro economic setup. Shits going to get real soon. Printing press about to go in overdrive and its related to all the above.

 

[Darayavaus]

I don't think so. Russia has invaded western Europe seven times in the last 200-300 years.

list them

 

[Darayavaus]

Seems a coup transpired in Tbilisi, GA. Is the pro Russian pres being uh,... retired,... w/ one that favors the west?

we did that in 08 also, then the shashlikvilis tried to ethnically clense S Ossetia and Abkhasia after we supplied them with NATO equipment and poked them with a stick and told them to fight Russia. Russia kicked their ass then withdrew.

 

[Darayavaus]

I don't think so. Russia has invaded western Europe seven times in the last 200-300 years. Everytime they have a lot of money in the bank, they try to take over another country. Putin appears to have a Napoleon attitude. Remember the Russian apartment bombings? 200+ Russians killed? This was done by the KGB, and Putin was head of KGB at the time. They needed an excuse to take over Chechnya.

wtf. ever been to kavkas?

you dont know chechens, and are just spouting stupid neocon bullshit hoping that ignorant people buy it. chechens were taking slaves in Dagestan in the 1990s. they went into a school and tried to carry off the kids (muzzies like young boys and farm animals too). it turned into a bloodbath. they were beheading people in a soccer stadium in Grozny for breaking sharia law. only homo neocons like Max boot believes that the "false flag apartment bombing" bullshit. The chechen terrorists that russia did not kill ran off and fought Americans in Iraq and afghanistan. Chris Kyle taks about some that he encountered.

only the douchiest of neocons tries to defend chechen terrorists. that's McCain/AlQaeda level fuckwittery there.

 

[Darayavaus]

Russia could wipe Ukraine off the map in a heartbeat, if that was their intent. It never was. They wanted to get rid of the nazis and biolabs, from day one. NATO and the eurofag globalists are trying to start WWIII. It won't happen. Will they hype it up to try and scare everyone? I think we know the answer to that, if "covid" was any indicator.

just like in georgia in 2008. Russia responded, fought a quick war to eliminate a real threat to their country and then withdrew. they were not trying to conquer new territory. they did not stick around. they did what we would do.

 

[Darayavaus]

slurping noises

 

[nkk]

Russia is using bare minimum assets in Ukraine. They are throwing their shittiest equipment and troops at it. If they really wanted Ukraine they would have it.

Does this guy genuinely believe this or is his post meant to be thinly veiled sarcasm for an attempt at ironic humor?

 

[nkk]

Silly gifs don't protect oil refineries from long range munitions. The refinery at Kirishi, which accounts for 6% of pidorstan refinery capacity, is burning again. l m a o.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Syntax changes are a dead give away, you need more training.

 

[tomcatmv]

Honest question. Does the average Russian not have access to the internet or is everything there so regulated that all they see is Kremlin controlled BS and propaganda? Also, I read something a while ago that their population of fighting age males was/is not very large and must be shrinking fast.

 

[375fan]

Silly gifs don't protect oil refineries from long range munitions. The refinery at Kirishi, which accounts for 6% of pidorstan refinery capacity, is burning again. l m a o.

Shouldn't you be on the front lines fighting the Ruskies and taking live action videos and pics to post to show the rest of the world the truth instead of posting the bs you post here?

 

[Eostech]

The T-14 armadas got destroyed (go javelins)

No T-14s seen to date.

I wonder how threads like this, on all forums and comment pages, are influenced by foreign actors. We know this is done, that's not disputable. I'm just curious if it's successful in influencing opinion. I'm expecting so, since it's so prevalent across all our social media. Just hope we're doing just as much back at them.

Dude this is the 6th Ukraine thread as people keep crying till they get locked down.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Honest question. Does the average Russian not have access to the internet or is everything there so regulated that all they see is Kremlin controlled BS and propaganda? Also, I read something a while ago that their population of fighting age males was/is not very large and must be shrinking fast.

You mean different then the propaganda from Ukraine and NATO that has been proven to be bullshit. Every country in the history of time uses propaganda to further its goals. You retards sop up the bullshit being fed to you by Intel agencies and NGO controlled western media while at the same time bitch and lament about a foreign country doing the same thing. Irony seems to be lost here.

Ukraine fighting age males are mostly faggot pussies who fled to Europe instead of fighting to defend their homeland. Russia is a smaller country than the US population wise but Ukraine will run out of meat sacks long before Russia will.

Ukraine is not the good guy here. Russia has legitimate reasons for its invasionn...in fact they have more of a moral right to invade Ukraine than the US did to invade Iraq. I'm sure you were out in the streets protesting the Iraq invasion too........

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Dude this is the 6th Ukraine thread as people keep crying till they get locked down.

This one was never started as a uke thread. But like all that were, when the truth starts to come out they all seemed to get smoked. Not hard for even the none thinking, to read between those lines,...

 

[918v]

No, we can't.







Here ya go. The same numbers from elsewhere. 250,000>40,000

Is Russia producing a year's worth of NATO ammunition in three months?

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has repeatedly said that Moscow’s annual ammunition production capacity is four times greater than that of the western alliance. #EuroVerify

www.euronews.com

Russia on track to build artillery shell stockpile triple the size of the US's and Europe's combined: top US general

Gen. Chris Cavoli says Russia is rebuilding its forces swiftly, including by producing 10 times as many tanks as the US each year.

www.businessinsider.com

Russia is producing artillery shells around three times faster than Ukraine's Western allies and for about a quarter of the cost

Sky News visited a group of new recruits who were learning how to use an N-LAW anti-tank missile, first provided to the Ukrainian military by the UK.

news.sky.com

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/how-can-the-west-counter-russias-artillery-advantage-5756

You miss the point that US is only one out of several nato countries supplying the ammo. It’s 40k at the time of the writing and will be at 100k by the end of the year. And we can make a million a month if we want to.

Fuck your America hating ways.

 

[faylix]

I’m not fighting wars for the Jews.

Il fight here before il fight there

Bro, we got our own shit going on. "The Jews" need you to lay off the Pervitin.

Can we go like 1 day without people blaming us for something? If anything - neither Putin nor Ukraine are friends to us jewz.

Plus, we make some pretty cool stuff - like the Uzi and the Galil. You should see some of the new kit we are using in Gaza.

 

[khel]

Bro, we got our own shit going on. "The Jews" need you to lay off the Pervitin.

Can we go like 1 day without people blaming us for something? If anything - neither Putin nor Ukraine are friends to us jewz.

Plus, we make some pretty cool stuff - like the Uzi and the Galil. You should see some of the new kit we are using in Gaza.

I would like to, but......

 

[khel]

You miss the point that US is only one out of several nato countries supplying the ammo. It’s 40k at the time of the writing and will be at 100k by the end of the year. And we can make a million a month if we want to.

Fuck your America hating ways.

I think being delusional about our capabilities is more anti-American.