There it is. Now we wait for NATO confirmation.
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Hi there!and yet they are kicking collective West ass which uses Ukrop meat (higher quality than average western fat marbled beef).
But i should know better than to reply to a dude that uses more capslocked abbreviations than real words to form his sentences. I guess one has to be an operator to understand the strategy behind this fuckfest in Ukraine.
So basically Russia is like...Russia’s military satellites are pretty dated. Their last OPIR sensor like the US DSP or SBIRs died close to 10 year ago now. Russian ISR collection platforms are either old or they have very few in comparison to the US and China.
Their GLONASS system, their version of GPS is also pretty crap.
So they could probably find it via SIGINT and follow up with GEOINT, but they are in the dark when it comes to OPIR which would help decrease their F2T2EA cycle of finding the patriot launchers after they have been moved and then fired.
With a few attempts a modern weaponry, yupSo basically Russia is like...
Hi there!
OPIR: Overhead Persistent Infrared
DSP: Defense Support Program, Cold War era OPIR satellite from the US.
SBIRS: Space-Based Infrared System, modern OPIR satellite from the US.
ISR: Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance
Glonass: Russian attempt at positioning, navigation, and Timing (PNT) satellite constellation that uses a frequency hopped spread spectrum (FHSS).
SIGINT: Signals intelligence. Several different flavors of this so feel free to do some reading.
GEOINT: imagery
F2T2EA: Find, Fix, Track, Target, engage and assess.
ELINT: electronic intelligence, most common source would be a radar.
OSINT: open source intelligence. Example: folks taking selfies of where they are at where you can see the surrounding area around them and or have Geo tagging on social media posts.
JDPI: Joint Desired Point of Impact
IADS: Integrated Air Defense System
C2: Command and Control.
Have a nice day champ!
That still takes takes time create a targeting solution and the only thing thing they are going to get is an ELINT hit off of radars with the lack of OPIR. OSINT sources however can be pretty deadly and help develop a good JDPI on a target pretty fast when you lack other ways of gathering exact data on a target. Not an expert on how the Patriots are laid out, but I’ve seen one or 2 IADS diagrams in my time and I’m gonna assume that the Patriots keep their radars away from their launches and the most intelligent way to conduct C2 of fires would be via a physical connect and nothing that emits RF.
Not discrediting what you have said by any means.
Why not just get a electronic message from a local who says “It’s right next to…”? Just like the “random” kids in sandy places or the projects.That still takes takes time create a targeting solution and the only thing thing they are going to get is an ELINT hit off of radars with the lack of OPIR. OSINT sources however can be pretty deadly and help develop a good JDPI on a target pretty fast when you lack other ways of gathering exact data on a target. Not an expert on how the Patriots are laid out, but I’ve seen one or 2 IADS diagrams in my time and I’m gonna assume that the Patriots keep their radars away from their launches and the most intelligent way to conduct C2 of fires would be via a physical connect and nothing that emits RF.
Not discrediting what you have said by any means.
HUMINT. Seems to be happening on both sides.Why not just get a electronic message from a local who says “It’s right next to…”? Just like the “random” kids in sandy places or the projects.
Imagine if there was a civil war in the US now. The civilians on either side of the front would not be mortal enemies, even if CNN said so.HUMINT. Seems to be happening on both sides.
After I've moved in the USA in 1991, I've got quite of bit of education about do's and dont's. Here is one example, based on this funny story:So apparently, the Russians, using conscripted criminals, and untrained imbeciles, with no armor, tattered clothing, plummeting morale, starving, equipped with WWII rifles and flintlocks, with no ammo, rusted hulks of cold-war equipment, and outdated systems, are defeating Western super-tech of HIMARS, AWACS, Javelins, Patriots, Leopard and Abrams tanks, mercenary armies of true "operators" and have ground through a couple hundred thousand of Ukraine soldiers and wiped out the entire Ukraine air force...or, all this talk of "outdated" is a lie, misinformed, speculative assumption, or all this "advanced" MIC tech is just a massive cash-grab scam that offers little-to-nothing in the form of actual military superiority. Which is it?
But getting back to the 6 (allegedly) arrested for filming the battery firing.Correct, that would be HUMINT. But you would still need to validate the report via some other source.
Assumption here is they are moving the launchers around after either a given period of time, number of launches or inductions a sight may have been compromised. Movements similar to the beginning of the war when they shuffled some of their systems around prior to invasion. That being said you can only place these in certain areas so it does eliminate areas that they can’t be.
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I think your assessment is very surface level.So apparently, the Russians, using conscripted criminals, and untrained imbeciles, with no armor, tattered clothing, plummeting morale, starving, equipped with WWII rifles and flintlocks, with no ammo, rusted hulks of cold-war equipment, and outdated systems, are defeating Western super-tech of HIMARS, AWACS, Javelins, Patriots, Leopard and Abrams tanks, mercenary armies of true "operators" and have ground through a couple hundred thousand of Ukraine soldiers and wiped out the entire Ukraine air force...or, all this talk of "outdated" is a lie, misinformed, speculative assumption, or all this "advanced" MIC tech is just a massive cash-grab scam that offers little-to-nothing in the form of actual military superiority. Which is it?
No idea if they were working with the Russian forces.But getting back to the 6 (allegedly) arrested for filming the battery firing.
1. Where they actively working with the intentions of spying for Moscow?
2. Or just people sharing what the see going on so the world can see the truth?
Edit... man you really stirred up the sleeper Russia military fan boi crowd.
A senior Ukrainian official has admitted that his country has assassinated "quite a few" Russian civilians who support Putin and his war to assert control of the Donbas region. In an interview with The Times of London, Major General Kyrylo Budanov, who heads Ukraine's military intelligence service, also promised more attacks are to come.
as i have said so many times, they aren't "saving" ukraine, they are helping to destroy it. even if russia said "fuck it" and went home, there is little to come back to for the ukrainians that lived there (athough some residential areas might have been spared complete destruction).Now its just a pile of burned out rubble.
And this is the tragedy.
I'm so happy we have someone on SH that can tell us everything about the latest Russian spy satellites!! Please, tell us more! I want to know juicy details about that crappy GLONASS system and in what way it's complete crap.Russia’s military satellites are pretty dated. Their last OPIR sensor like the US DSP or SBIRs died close to 10 year ago now. Russian ISR collection platforms are either old or they have very few in comparison to the US and China.
Their GLONASS system, their version of GPS is also pretty crap.
So they could probably find it via SIGINT and follow up with GEOINT, but they are in the dark when it comes to OPIR which would help decrease their F2T2EA cycle of finding the patriot launchers after they have been moved and then fired.
Sorry, this isn’t discord.I'm so happy we have someone on SH that can tell us everything about the latest Russian spy satellites!! Please, tell us more! I want to know juicy details about that crappy GLONASS system and in what way it's complete crap.
They are probably getting the info from China.Russia’s military satellites are pretty dated. Their last OPIR sensor like the US DSP or SBIRs died close to 10 year ago now. Russian ISR collection platforms are either old or they have very few in comparison to the US and China.
Their GLONASS system, their version of GPS is also pretty crap.
Why one of the reasons why the area (bakhmut/Soldar)was important and fought over
I call dibs on one of the maxims.Bidding on the Thompsons starts in 5... 4... 3... 2...
I'm pretty sure Shawn Eckhardt did not die, but is alive on this forum as jthor: https://www.military.com/underthera...steven-rogers-captured-craziness-i-tonya.htmlI'm so happy we have someone on SH that can tell us everything about the latest Russian spy satellites!! Please, tell us more! I want to know juicy details about that crappy GLONASS system and in what way it's complete crap.
Yup. For such a bad system as GLONASS there is a ton of equipment that has been blown to hell. Never mind the drones and other assets that are using it to good effect.I'm so happy we have someone on SH that can tell us everything about the latest Russian spy satellites!! Please, tell us more! I want to know juicy details about that crappy GLONASS system and in what way it's complete crap.
Excellent summary of the real world situation.Yup. For such a bad system as GLONASS there is a ton of equipment that has been blown to hell. Never mind the drones and other assets that are using it to good effect.
I understand not liking Russia, most of us grew up in the Cold War. I remember the duck and cover under the desk as well as some pentagon general on NBC one night stating how many nukes the USSR had vs the US, etc. But denying that they are a peer in this conflict is not wise. It clearly being demonstrated what their strengths are, where NATO is weak and that they are serious about this campaign. We need to pay close attention and not buy into our own hubris. To do otherwise could lead to terrible decisions that endanger the world.
People can die because the truth is ignored. And they are - a whole country has been decimated because of blind hatred. And I fear that what once was a hostile enemy that could have been made a trading partner has been made into a permanent enemy that has been underestimated not only in terms of capabilities but also in resolve - not just the government but the people. This conflict has caused a surge in investment in warfare by our adversaries that won’t go away anytime soon, not to mention economic strategies that may very well be used to weaken us ahead of any future kinetic action. And US children will suffer economically and on the battlefield because of it.
Stating someone is incapable doesn’t make it so, but it can cause a laziness in preparing that lays the foundation for future failures that could be catastrophic.
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Why one of the reasons why the area (bakhmut/Soldar)was important and fought over
Good video from Douglas macgregor.
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There is no hell as religion is storytelling designed to keep you fools from causing problems. As a result, John McCain's remains are just in the ground or in an urn.John McCain? I thought you were dead and burning in hell right now.
the front of a KH22, a tube from a leaf blower, what looks like the guts of a washing machine, and some assorted other spare parts.
go away, commie!There is no hell as religion is storytelling designed to keep you fools from causing problems. As a result, John McCain's remains are just in the ground or in an urn.
We can agree on a couple things for sure: McCain’s physical remains are definitely still around in some form or fashion. And if you mean keeping us from causing problems such as adultery, theft, envy, etc that hurt our fellow man and ultimately ourselves I can fully agree with that. That’s simply Greatest Commandment stuff right there, pretty straightforward, and I would argue that it should be obvious to even those who eschew religion. I say “should” because there are many who justify their actions that hurt themselves and others for what they perceive is gain to them, while knowing full well what they do is morally wrong.There is no hell as religion is storytelling designed to keep you fools from causing problems. As a result, John McCain's remains are just in the ground or in an urn.