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Russia-Ukraine War​

How Ukraine Gained Momentum Against Russia and Took a Critical Hub​

For months, Russia used the city of Izium as a way station to resupply and reinforce its troops in their campaign to seize the eastern Donbas region. With a northern offensive, Ukraine has retaken the city.
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A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.

A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.Credit...Juan Barreto/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.


By Marc Santora
Sept. 10, 2022Updated 5:34 p.m. ET

KYIV, Ukraine —In a war that has for months been defined by grinding battles between two armies along largely static front lines ranging 1,500 miles, the stunning speed of Ukraine’s advance in the country’s northeast has reshaped the conflict in a matter of days.
On Saturday, Ukrainian soldiers retook a city that had long been a linchpin of the Russian military campaign in the east, Izium, and continued to raise their blue-and-yellow flags over dozens of towns and villages that were occupied by Russia days ago.
The northern advance was carried out alongside another Ukrainian campaign, in the country’s south. There, thousands of Russian soldiers west of the Dnipro river appear to be increasingly isolated and cut off from resupply, as Ukrainian forces have gradually broken through frontline defenses and shelled Russian targets deep behind the front.

While the swift assault in the north appears to have caught Russian forces by surprise, the Ukrainians have been laying the groundwork for it for weeks.

Here is a look at the importance of the battle to reclaim Izium, how the Ukrainians set the stage for their offensives and why the events unfolding this week could be a turning point in the war.

The Russian siege and capture of a critical hub​


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A Ukrainian soldier keeping watch along the front lines near Izium in May.

A Ukrainian soldier keeping watch along the front lines near Izium in May.Credit...Finbarr O'Reilly for The New York Times

The first Russian rockets struck the small city of Izium in northeastern Ukraine on Feb. 28, as part of a multipronged invasion that Moscow believed would lead to the rapid collapse of the government in the capital, Kyiv.
The city of 40,000 was quickly surrounded, and for three weeks in March, Russia laid siege. Some residents fled, others hid in shelters, and homes, shops and apartments were battered by shelling until Russian troops rolled in.

By the time those who remained emerged from their basements at the end of March, Russia was in control.

During the months that followed, Russia used Izium as a base of operations and command center, relying on its hub of roads and railways to resupply troops. The city became a military way station for Russia, supporting its campaign to seize Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, which in the spring became the Kremlin’s main objective after its failed attack on Kyiv.

The State of the War​

Supplies flowing through Izium helped sustain Russia’s vast expenditure of ammunition in that campaign. At one point in June, Ukraine was almost out of ammunition and Russia was killing as many as 200 Ukrainian soldiers a day, according to Ukrainian officials.
Losing ground in the east as Russia used Izium to support its capture of two embattled cities in late June and early July, Ukraine retreated to stronger defensive positions. With that movement and the arrival of Western weapons and ammunition, Ukraine stabilized its defensive lines in the east. Russia stopped gaining ground and Ukraine began setting the stage for a new phase of the war.

A summer of shifting forces and disruptive attacks​

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A satellite image showing damaged aircraft at the Saki Air Base in Crimea in August.Credit...Maxar Technologies, via Agence France-Press — Getty Images

A satellite image showing damaged aircraft at the Saki Air Base in Crimea in August.

In late July, as precision long-range missile systems began to arrive in Ukraine, Russian ammunition depots behind the front lines began to explode. Ukrainian officials, in statements and social media, would release one tally after another of what they claimed to have destroyed. And while it was impossible to verify all their claims, there was video evidence of many strikes.

Live Updates: Russia-Ukraine War​

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But unlike in the spring, when a convoy of Russian military vehicles stuck north of Kyiv gave a clear indication of Russia’s logistical problems, it was hard to know the toll of the strikes in the late summer.

In interviews with Ukrainian political and military leaders throughout August, they all repeated a common sentiment: Just wait.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukraine’s president, said that even if Ukrainian forces hit five depots a night, Russia held vast supplies and it would take time to set the conditions for an offensive.
In addition to using the newly arrived, long-range weapons from the West, Ukraine deployed special forces, sometimes working with partisans, to disrupt Russian activities behind enemy lines — a campaign to target not just supply hubs, ammunition depots and command centers, but also Ukrainians collaborating with the Russian authorities.
When Ukraine struck an airfield in Crimea in early August, the first of what would be a wave of strikes aimed at the territory seized by Russia in 2014, they were not only attacking a Russian stronghold, but preparing for a well-publicized next step — the southern counteroffensive.

The southern offensive begins​


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Damage from Ukrainian rockets on the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnipro River in Kherson in July.Credit...Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Damage from Ukrainian rockets on the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnipro River in Kherson in July.

Throughout August, Ukraine signaled it was readying to push south with highly visible strikes. Every bridge crossing the Dnipro river, which bisects Ukraine from north to south, was hit time and again in an effort to isolate groups of Russians.
Russia raced to reinforce garrisons on the west side of the river in the southern Kherson region, with analysts estimating that they deployed 15,000 to 25,000 soldiers by mid-August. They pulled concrete from irrigation ditches, according to satellite photos, and reinforced three lines of defense.

At the end of August, Ukraine attacked, saying its forces managed to break through the first line of Russian defenses in multiple locations.

But the state of the offensive remains shrouded in secrecy, as Ukraine and Russian proxies make competing claims, and as the Ukrainian military imposed sweeping new restrictions on access for journalists to the front line, including asking pro-Kyiv military bloggers to not reveal details of troop movements.
It is unclear where that offensive stands. Russia had months to reinforce and fortify the region, but many of its troops may now be straining to resupply. Ukrainian troops have described heavy casualties, and difficult battles in the region. But those troops also reported even steeper Russian losses.

Ukraine’s opportunity in the north​


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Ukrainian soldiers riding on an armored vehicle in Kharkiv on Friday.Credit...Juan Barreto/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Ukrainian soldiers riding on an armored vehicle in Kharkiv on Friday.

Early this week, the first reports began to trickle in from around the city of Kharkiv. Ukrainian troops were on the move, but it was not exactly clear where.
The northeastern city, Ukraine’s second-most populous before the war, has been under bombardment by Russian forces since the first hours of the invasion. The shelling has never truly relented, and officials have steadily reported civilian casualties, even as Ukrainian troops drove Russian forces from the outskirts of the city as far as the border, just 25 miles away. Since the spring, fighting has continued but not resulted in major shifts in territory.
The Russian stronghold in Izium, vital to supporting so many phases of the Russian campaign, even when Russian troops became bogged down or slowed to a crawl, did not seem like a weak point.

But in early September, Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv swept southeast, attacking Russian positions where the defenses had thinned out — in part because of Russia’s persistent manpower problems, but also, likely, because of the Kremlin’s significant redeployment of troops to southern Ukraine.

Day after day, Ukrainian forces advanced farther behind Russian lines, moving to surround Izium and retaking towns and villages in their path. Russian forces fell back in droves, and pro-Kremlin bloggers reacted with shock and dismay at the sudden collapse of defenses. On Friday, Russia’s Defense Ministry said it was reinforcing the Kharkiv region; on Saturday, it confirmed it had pulled forces back to “regroup.”
Although the statement sought to portray the withdrawal as a planned move, military equipment left scattered in the region indicated a hasty retreat to avoid encirclement.
By Saturday evening, Izium was among the centers that Russia abandoned, boosting Ukrainian morale, providing Ukraine with its own hub for operations in the east, and depriving Russia of an important center for keeping its war machine moving.

Marc Santora is the International News Editor based in London, focusing on breaking news events. He was previously the Bureau Chief for East and Central Europe based in Warsaw. He has also reported extensively from Iraq and Africa.
@MarcSantoraNYT
A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 11, 2022, Section A, Page 10 of the New York edition with the headline: How Ukraine’s Swift Advance in the North Seized a Vital Hub From Russia. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe


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Graywolf.260 said:
The fight against lies and fascism goes on

Russia-Ukraine War​

How Ukraine Gained Momentum Against Russia and Took a Critical Hub​

For months, Russia used the city of Izium as a way station to resupply and reinforce its troops in their campaign to seize the eastern Donbas region. With a northern offensive, Ukraine has retaken the city.
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A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.

A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.Credit...Juan Barreto/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

A destroyed tank in Balakliya, in the Kharkiv region, on Saturday.


By Marc Santora
Sept. 10, 2022Updated 5:34 p.m. ET

KYIV, Ukraine —In a war that has for months been defined by grinding battles between two armies along largely static front lines ranging 1,500 miles, the stunning speed of Ukraine’s advance in the country’s northeast has reshaped the conflict in a matter of days.
On Saturday, Ukrainian soldiers retook a city that had long been a linchpin of the Russian military campaign in the east, Izium, and continued to raise their blue-and-yellow flags over dozens of towns and villages that were occupied by Russia days ago.
The northern advance was carried out alongside another Ukrainian campaign, in the country’s south. There, thousands of Russian soldiers west of the Dnipro river appear to be increasingly isolated and cut off from resupply, as Ukrainian forces have gradually broken through frontline defenses and shelled Russian targets deep behind the front.

While the swift assault in the north appears to have caught Russian forces by surprise, the Ukrainians have been laying the groundwork for it for weeks.

Here is a look at the importance of the battle to reclaim Izium, how the Ukrainians set the stage for their offensives and why the events unfolding this week could be a turning point in the war.

The Russian siege and capture of a critical hub​


Image
A Ukrainian soldier keeping watch along the front lines near Izium in May.

A Ukrainian soldier keeping watch along the front lines near Izium in May.Credit...Finbarr O'Reilly for The New York Times

The first Russian rockets struck the small city of Izium in northeastern Ukraine on Feb. 28, as part of a multipronged invasion that Moscow believed would lead to the rapid collapse of the government in the capital, Kyiv.
The city of 40,000 was quickly surrounded, and for three weeks in March, Russia laid siege. Some residents fled, others hid in shelters, and homes, shops and apartments were battered by shelling until Russian troops rolled in.

By the time those who remained emerged from their basements at the end of March, Russia was in control.

During the months that followed, Russia used Izium as a base of operations and command center, relying on its hub of roads and railways to resupply troops. The city became a military way station for Russia, supporting its campaign to seize Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, which in the spring became the Kremlin’s main objective after its failed attack on Kyiv.

The State of the War​

Supplies flowing through Izium helped sustain Russia’s vast expenditure of ammunition in that campaign. At one point in June, Ukraine was almost out of ammunition and Russia was killing as many as 200 Ukrainian soldiers a day, according to Ukrainian officials.
Losing ground in the east as Russia used Izium to support its capture of two embattled cities in late June and early July, Ukraine retreated to stronger defensive positions. With that movement and the arrival of Western weapons and ammunition, Ukraine stabilized its defensive lines in the east. Russia stopped gaining ground and Ukraine began setting the stage for a new phase of the war.

A summer of shifting forces and disruptive attacks​

​


Image

A satellite image showing damaged aircraft at the Saki Air Base in Crimea in August.Credit...Maxar Technologies, via Agence France-Press — Getty Images

A satellite image showing damaged aircraft at the Saki Air Base in Crimea in August.

In late July, as precision long-range missile systems began to arrive in Ukraine, Russian ammunition depots behind the front lines began to explode. Ukrainian officials, in statements and social media, would release one tally after another of what they claimed to have destroyed. And while it was impossible to verify all their claims, there was video evidence of many strikes.

Live Updates: Russia-Ukraine War​

Updated
Sept. 10, 2022, 5:53 p.m. ET3 hours ago
3 hours ago

But unlike in the spring, when a convoy of Russian military vehicles stuck north of Kyiv gave a clear indication of Russia’s logistical problems, it was hard to know the toll of the strikes in the late summer.

In interviews with Ukrainian political and military leaders throughout August, they all repeated a common sentiment: Just wait.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukraine’s president, said that even if Ukrainian forces hit five depots a night, Russia held vast supplies and it would take time to set the conditions for an offensive.
In addition to using the newly arrived, long-range weapons from the West, Ukraine deployed special forces, sometimes working with partisans, to disrupt Russian activities behind enemy lines — a campaign to target not just supply hubs, ammunition depots and command centers, but also Ukrainians collaborating with the Russian authorities.
When Ukraine struck an airfield in Crimea in early August, the first of what would be a wave of strikes aimed at the territory seized by Russia in 2014, they were not only attacking a Russian stronghold, but preparing for a well-publicized next step — the southern counteroffensive.

The southern offensive begins​


Image

Damage from Ukrainian rockets on the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnipro River in Kherson in July.Credit...Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Damage from Ukrainian rockets on the Antonovsky bridge over the Dnipro River in Kherson in July.

Throughout August, Ukraine signaled it was readying to push south with highly visible strikes. Every bridge crossing the Dnipro river, which bisects Ukraine from north to south, was hit time and again in an effort to isolate groups of Russians.
Russia raced to reinforce garrisons on the west side of the river in the southern Kherson region, with analysts estimating that they deployed 15,000 to 25,000 soldiers by mid-August. They pulled concrete from irrigation ditches, according to satellite photos, and reinforced three lines of defense.

At the end of August, Ukraine attacked, saying its forces managed to break through the first line of Russian defenses in multiple locations.

But the state of the offensive remains shrouded in secrecy, as Ukraine and Russian proxies make competing claims, and as the Ukrainian military imposed sweeping new restrictions on access for journalists to the front line, including asking pro-Kyiv military bloggers to not reveal details of troop movements.
It is unclear where that offensive stands. Russia had months to reinforce and fortify the region, but many of its troops may now be straining to resupply. Ukrainian troops have described heavy casualties, and difficult battles in the region. But those troops also reported even steeper Russian losses.

Ukraine’s opportunity in the north​


Image

Ukrainian soldiers riding on an armored vehicle in Kharkiv on Friday.Credit...Juan Barreto/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Ukrainian soldiers riding on an armored vehicle in Kharkiv on Friday.

Early this week, the first reports began to trickle in from around the city of Kharkiv. Ukrainian troops were on the move, but it was not exactly clear where.
The northeastern city, Ukraine’s second-most populous before the war, has been under bombardment by Russian forces since the first hours of the invasion. The shelling has never truly relented, and officials have steadily reported civilian casualties, even as Ukrainian troops drove Russian forces from the outskirts of the city as far as the border, just 25 miles away. Since the spring, fighting has continued but not resulted in major shifts in territory.
The Russian stronghold in Izium, vital to supporting so many phases of the Russian campaign, even when Russian troops became bogged down or slowed to a crawl, did not seem like a weak point.

But in early September, Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv swept southeast, attacking Russian positions where the defenses had thinned out — in part because of Russia’s persistent manpower problems, but also, likely, because of the Kremlin’s significant redeployment of troops to southern Ukraine.

Day after day, Ukrainian forces advanced farther behind Russian lines, moving to surround Izium and retaking towns and villages in their path. Russian forces fell back in droves, and pro-Kremlin bloggers reacted with shock and dismay at the sudden collapse of defenses. On Friday, Russia’s Defense Ministry said it was reinforcing the Kharkiv region; on Saturday, it confirmed it had pulled forces back to “regroup.”
Although the statement sought to portray the withdrawal as a planned move, military equipment left scattered in the region indicated a hasty retreat to avoid encirclement.
By Saturday evening, Izium was among the centers that Russia abandoned, boosting Ukrainian morale, providing Ukraine with its own hub for operations in the east, and depriving Russia of an important center for keeping its war machine moving.

Marc Santora is the International News Editor based in London, focusing on breaking news events. He was previously the Bureau Chief for East and Central Europe based in Warsaw. He has also reported extensively from Iraq and Africa.
@MarcSantoraNYT
A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 11, 2022, Section A, Page 10 of the New York edition with the headline: How Ukraine’s Swift Advance in the North Seized a Vital Hub From Russia. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe


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LOL, if you're trying to shill subscriptions to NYT, good luck. What a pile...
 
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I just wonder how many of these neocunts who support the perpetual war and "rebuilding" are paying thousands of dollars of hard earned money out of *their* paychecks to pad some corrupt cunt in Ukraine's bank accounts, as well as the corrupt embezzling cunts in congress who are enriching themselves while the NWO fucks over every last remaining sovereign nation. Or are these big talkers flipping lattes at starbucks for 12 bucks an hour and paying in next to nothing. Because someone paying nothing is the only type of person who can reasonably support sending billions of other people's dollars to the world's most corrupt shithole.

I need my money more than that fucking useless shill zelensky and the other treasonous shill Biden needs my money. I don't fucking work 60 hours per week and hardly see my kids so that those worthless politican fucks can live like little gods.
 
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So, just to confirm, when Trump wanted to provide "lethal aid" assistance to Ukraine before Russia invaded, that was bad, because Orange Man.

But now....

www.state.gov

U.S. Security Cooperation with Ukraine - United States Department of State

The United States, our allies, and our partners worldwide are united in support of Ukraine in response to Russia’s premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified war against Ukraine.  We have not forgotten Russia’s earlier aggression in eastern Ukraine and occupation following its unlawful seizure of...
www.state.gov www.state.gov

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The list goes on.......

But now, Biden good, so all is well. Dump all the moneys 💰.
 
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Darayavaus said:
Objectively speaking, the Russian & Novorussian forces are outnumbered at least 5 to 1, and Ukraine has been given $xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx worth of top technology that our MIC has spent billions of dollars perfecting. The entire NWO is united against them and is fighting tooth and nail to protect it's secrets and destroy the last white, Christian country that exists as a roadblock to their global domination. Who would bet the family farm on those odds?
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Here in the United States, we'll fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian.
 
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clcustom1911 said:
So, just to confirm, when Trump wanted to provide "lethal aid" assistance to Ukraine before Russia invaded, that was bad, because Orange Man.

But now....

www.state.gov

U.S. Security Cooperation with Ukraine - United States Department of State

The United States, our allies, and our partners worldwide are united in support of Ukraine in response to Russia’s premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified war against Ukraine.  We have not forgotten Russia’s earlier aggression in eastern Ukraine and occupation following its unlawful seizure of...
www.state.gov www.state.gov

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The list goes on.......

But now, Biden good, so all is well. Dump all the moneys 💰.
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Invested $15.2 billion huh?
What's the return?
 
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Eostech said:
Invested $15.2 billion huh?
What's the return?
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Uhhh......

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Much biweapon research which we can honestly say "we don't do bioweapon research on US soil?"

But, we don't do bioweapon research, that's illegal, because treaty. We do "gain of function", because words.
 
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Haney said:
I never realized just how many communists were on this forum , a real eye opener . It does explain the putin/trumb love, sadly .
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Hi,


Fuck you.




Sincerely,

Clcustom1911.




P.S.

I live in Lake Havasu City, AZ. Let me know when you're in town. Fight me, fuckstick.
 
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akmike47 said:
He does indeed have an appropriate user name. Why lol the hard-ons for Ukraine? I don’t get it, I’m not a Russia fan either but I’m also not blind to the very obvious propaganda either(video game recordings of Ukraine “winning”, or 2014 videos passed off as new)
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Becuz of the ignorant trolls on here. I love exposing trolls who made it clear with their idiot comments that they had:

1. No military training.
2. No small unit leadership.
3. No experience with military weapons systems or maintenance or training in their use. Or combined arms.
4. No experience in planning or leading military operations at battalion or Corps level.
5. No knowledge of Russia or Eastern Europe and how those militaries work.

Anyone with any real capabilities of the above knew what was going on when HIMARS showed up a few months ago and then began to be used. The target sets used by them and the reports of lots of Ukrainians getting trained in EU presaged the events this week.

Russia had its ass handed to it the moment this started. Ukraine has been mistreated by Russia since Nevsky beat the Mongols. And it has suffered under various regimes and been a pawn for a long long time. The resistance of its people is admirable and the story of both the stopping of the invasion and its rollback will be studied for decades.

And at the political level

1. Russia as it stands today is a dictatorship of Fyre Festivals run by Putin and his KGB pals. They are our enemy. Period. Sticking something in their eyeball is good. Sucking them into a war that exposes them as frauds is even better. Kill them all.
2. Anything that makes Russia weaker makes Iran weaker.
3. Ditto China and its useless cronies.

I think pedo Biden and his pals are a crime family using political influence to enrich themselves. He was a small time senator from a backwater state and people ignored him and somehow he wormed and gaslighted his way into the Presidency. Kind of like that weirdo down the street that eventually kidnaps someone’s kid. “He was so nice.”

Fuck Putin. Fuck Biden. But lets keep kicking Russian ass and testing new weapons and tactics. Because the Chicoms are next.

And I hope all the former US Marines and Army volunteers guys embedded with them come home safe and will let us buy them beers!
 
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Oldloser said:
Becuz of the ignorant trolls on here. I love exposing trolls who made it clear with their idiot comments that they had:

1. No military training.
2. No small unit leadership.
3. No experience with military weapons systems or maintenance or training in their use. Or combined arms.
4. No experience in planning or leading military operations at battalion or Corps level.
5. No knowledge of Russia or Eastern Europe and how those militaries work.

Anyone with any real capabilities of the above knew what was going on when HIMARS showed up a few months ago and then began to be used. The target sets used by them and the reports of lots of Ukrainians getting trained in EU presaged the events this week.

Russia had its ass handed to it the moment this started. Ukraine has been mistreated by Russia since Nevsky beat the Mongols. And it has suffered under various regimes and been a pawn for a long long time. The resistance of its people is admirable and the story of both the stopping of the invasion and its rollback will be studied for decades.

And at the political level

1. Russia as it stands today is a dictatorship of Fyre Festivals run by Putin and his KGB pals. They are our enemy. Period. Sticking something in their eyeball is good. Sucking them into a war that exposes them as frauds is even better. Kill them all.
2. Anything that makes Russia weaker makes Iran weaker.
3. Ditto China and its useless cronies.

I think pedo Biden and his pals are a crime family using political influence to enrich themselves. He was a small time senator from a backwater state and people ignored him and somehow he wormed and gaslighted his way into the Presidency. Kind of like that weirdo down the street that eventually kidnaps someone’s kid. “He was so nice.”

Fuck Putin. Fuck Biden. But lets keep kicking Russian ass and testing new weapons and tactics. Because the Chicoms are next.

And I hope all the former US Marines and Army volunteers guys embedded with them come home safe and will let us buy them beers!
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Troll? How is saying you sound like your name you made being a troll?

How exactly did you "expose" me? Ive said the same thing since day one, both sides are assholes. You're all up on Ukraines balls like they mean anything to most of the world. They are big into money laundering and sex trafficking, would sure be a huge loss....

That's a lot of words I didn't read to prove you're a twat. Go blow some more Ukrainians and post some flags on Facebook to virtue signal.

It's possible to Not support anyone in a conflict. My whole philosophy is if is not America, not our problem. Fuck all of them.

Now write another page of words soup I won't read but The first 2-3 sentences again.


I too can type up some random bullshit.
 
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Darayavaus said:
the funny thing is that Russia became very pro-USA up until about 2014.

or, I should say "pro old-USA" in tune with our old values.

they absolutely detest the gay *** pedo culture of modern America and Europe that has been forced on us. Of course, so do most American conservatives.....hence the accusations of being "Putin lovers" by the pedo-fag-progressive crowd who see the common conservatism and hate it.

I know someone who came from Russia back in the 90's. One day back then, we were watching the news when a democrat politician came on, spouting their typical fucktard rhetoric. This ex-Russian was shocked at what she was hearing and said "What is happening here! I never knew you had communists in America" and was very upset about the prospect of leaving one place that the communists had ruined, in exchange for another place that the communists were about to ruin.


but yeah. the pedo *** communists, and NWO elitists have identified their mortal enemies and are working just as hard to destroy Russia as they are working to destroy American conservatives.
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Putin is KGB. He deplatformed and cancelled and killed thousands of his opponents. Ran show trials. I’m sure lots of American Conservatives can root for that.

Russian propaganda is pretty clumsy these days.

Russia has never been pro-freedom. Russians are famously xenophobic and backwards. Being serfs for centuries does that.
 
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Shot in the ass. Now butthurt. KInd of like all the Putin lovers on here. Falling for Russian propaganda while calling out the obvious propaganda from Biden. Kind of funny actually.

They ran away from the fight and start calling me a twat when their military genius and nihilism gets exposed. I’ll keep shooting them in the ass all the way to box of Twinkie aisle.

 
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Shot in the ass. Now butthurt. KInd of like all the Putin lovers on here. Falling for Russian propaganda while calling out the obvious propaganda from Biden. Kind of funny actually.

They ran away from the fight and start calling me a twat when their military genius and nihilism gets exposed. I’ll keep shooting them in the ass all the way to box of Twinkie aisle.

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You don't pay attention if you think I'm butt hurt lol. You make a lot of assumptions it seems.

You can’t even keep a straight thought going you bounce around making wild accusations and typing out random thoughts that have nothing to do with what you’re replying to. Seems you and old biden may have something in common.
 
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Your intellectual rigor is most impressive. Did Putin give you a reach around last night?
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you got butt hurt because I said you actually sound like an old loser in so many words, and don't like I mentioned obviously and proven fake news(2014 videos shown as recent events and video game footage) coming from over there. I've also said both sides are shit since the beginning, but I guess not supporting anyone equals supporting Russia now...🙄

Also, no he said he was too busy with you. Something about you giving him "blowjobs for peace" or some nonsense, my Russian is sub par but I got the gist.
 
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I bet if you inserted USA and the current regime in Washington for Putin and the KGB that there's a very close resemblance to the country on the north American continent. Actually both countries on that continent

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Putin is KGB. He deplatformed and cancelled and killed thousands of his opponents. Ran show trials. I’m sure lots of American Conservatives can root for that.

Russian propaganda is pretty clumsy these days.

Russia has never been pro-freedom. Russians are famously xenophobic and backwards. Being serfs for centuries does that.
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Btw. Temperature in Kharkiv this morning was 51 degrees F . Russia just launched cruise missiles from the Caspian sea at a coal fired power plant and other electric grid components. There is no power there any more, no electricity to pump water... anyone who workes the grids know the supply chain to replace these things is beyond strained.

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Next week they are looking at mid 40’s.

Its going to be very cold.

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Euro is dropping fast compared to the dollar, at a historical low since its inception.

Europe is in for a ruff ride... I fear its going to get worse from here.
 
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Ukraine has been mistreated by Russia since Nevsky beat the Mongols.
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all of your posting is bullshit, but I'm calling out this bit of whiny Hohol pontification in particular.

iu


Alexander Nevsky never "beat" the Mongols.

Nevsky defeated the Swedes at the Neva and more famously defeated the Teutonic Knights at the Battle of the Ice on Lake Peipus.

However he actively collaborated with the Mongols. They made him Prince of Kiev and Grand Prince of Vladimir. He even allied with the Mongols against Novgorod to punish his former city and collect tribute.

Furthermore at the time of Nevsky, "Ukraine" referred to itself as one of the Russkaya Zemlya or the "Russian Lands". It was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that badly mistreated the "border lands" and then of course the Turks who exported over 2 million slaves out of "Ukraine".

So if you want to accuse anyone of mistreating your dreamy Hohol mancrushes, blame the Poles and the Turks.


As far as the rest of it, Eisenstein attributed a quote to Nevsky which could apply to Teutonic knights, nazis, neocons like you, or NATO expansionists: “Go and tell everyone in foreign lands that Russia lives. Let them visit without fear. But anyone who comes to us with a sword, by the sword he will die. On this the Russian land stands and will always stand!”
 
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all of your posting is bullshit, but I'm calling out this bit of whiny Hohol pontification in particular.

iu


Alexander Nevsky never "beat" the Mongols.

Nevsky defeated the Swedes at the Neva and more famously defeated the Teutonic Knights at the Battle of the Ice on Lake Peipus.

However he actively collaborated with the Mongols. They made him Prince of Kiev and Grand Prince of Vladimir. He even allied with the Mongols against Novgorod to punish his former city and collect tribute.

Furthermore at the time of Nevsky, "Ukraine" referred to itself as one of the Russkaya Zemlya or the "Russian Lands". It was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that badly mistreated the "border lands" and then of course the Turks who exported over 2 million slaves out of "Ukraine".

So if you want to accuse anyone of mistreating your dreamy Hohol mancrushes, blame the Poles and the Turks.


As far as the rest of it, Eisenstein attributed a quote to Nevsky which could apply to Teutonic knights, nazis, neocons like you, or NATO expansionists: “Go and tell everyone in foreign lands that Russia lives. Let them visit without fear. But anyone who comes to us with a sword, by the sword he will die. On this the Russian land stands and will always stand!”
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This is convincing enough I'll just go with it normally I google 😆
 
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All in all Ukrainians made a massive breakthrough in Kharkiv region, followed by a retreat of the Russians to avoid encirclement . I don't see Russians retaking that anytime soon as they simply do not have soldiers to hold the 1500km line and mass enough for an offensive. It was just in time for the next donor round of financing.

When it comes to debates Ukraine vs Russia , in normal circumstances it would be Ukraine good Russia Bad but at least in this case with all the Covidiots and WEF running the show in and with regards to Ukraine. I just don't see it that way. No good actors in play just one thet are fucking everyone over and others that are not.
Like it or not Ukraine is a lynchpin into WEF future. Curtailing of civil and economic liberties world wide on top of free speech curtailing that came with COVID (of course Ukrainans are not the puppetmasters but rather puppets)

Fuck Ukraine ( :devilish: that is the part where i am actively ''supporting'' Ukraine one session at a time.)


Meanwhile, they actually used the wording to ''flatten the curve '' for energy usage.

So at your local bus stop, hotlines to snitch on your neighbor it you think he is heating the apartment over 19°C/66°F ,200 Frank reward for good tips.

For that alone Ukraine can fuck off and then some, anyone who supports funding Ukraine so they can fuck you over is a traitor simple as that.

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Meanwhile, they actually used the wording to ''flatten the curve '' for energy usage.

So at your local bus stop, hotlines to snitch on your neighbor it you think he is heating the apartment over 19°C/66°F ,200 Frank reward for good tips.

For that alone Ukraine can fuck off and then some, anyone who supports funding Ukraine so they can fuck you over is a traitor simple as that.

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Does the neighbor heat up the apartment to over 19 degrees? Please inform us
 
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Mr.BR said:
All in all Ukrainians made a massive breakthrough in Kharkiv region, followed by a retreat of the Russians to avoid encirclement . I don't see Russians retaking that anytime soon as they simply do not have soldiers to hold the 1500km line and mass enough for an offensive. It was just in time for the next donor round of financing.

When it comes to debates Ukraine vs Russia , in normal circumstances it would be Ukraine good Russia Bad but at least in this case with all the Covidiots and WEF running the show in and with regards to Ukraine. I just don't see it that way. No good actors in play just one thet are fucking everyone over and others that are not.
Like it or not Ukraine is a lynchpin into WEF future. Curtailing of civil and economic liberties world wide on top of free speech curtailing that came with COVID (of course Ukrainans are not the puppetmasters but rather puppets)

Fuck Ukraine ( :devilish: that is the part where i am actively ''supporting'' Ukraine one session at a time.)


Meanwhile, they actually used the wording to ''flatten the curve '' for energy usage.

So at your local bus stop, hotlines to snitch on your neighbor it you think he is heating the apartment over 19°C/66°F ,200 Frank reward for good tips.

For that alone Ukraine can fuck off and then some, anyone who supports funding Ukraine so they can fuck you over is a traitor simple as that.

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As wrong as that is 65 is plenty warm. If I go to someone’s house and it 70+ when heated I leave. going from 95 outside to 70 AC is nice, 35 outside to 70 heated is way too hot.
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That is 65°F is basically flatten the curve approach, while the money press goes of the charts. we have seen how that spiraled out of control into mandatory jabs, lockdowns and firing your sorry ass or freezing your bank account if you do not comply (compliance being the main goal), also before households are hit with sub 60°F heating requirements, the industry will already be shut down because of rationing , most of the aluminum foundries are already being shut down, as are most of the fertilizer plants, and how will these survive to restart? Most likely by money press nationalization and then Blackrock buying assets as firesale prices, new monopolies in hands of a few on all on the public dime.

''You will own nothing and you will be happy'', neofeudalism is what we are all looking at because of idiots that support these policies.

*Ukrainian and Russian soldiers are the unfortunate bastards that get to die for the new world order that is being spawned
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That is 65°F is basically flatten the curve approach, while the money press goes of the charts. we have seen how that spiraled out of control into , mandatory jabs, lockdowns and firing your sorry ass or freezing your bank account if you do not comply, also before households are hit with sub 60°F heating requirements, the industry will already be shut down because of rationing, most of the aluminum foundries are already being shut down, as are most of the fertilizer plants, and how will these survive to restart? Most likely by money press nationalization and then Blackrock buying assets as firesale prices, new monopolies in hands of a few on all on the public dime.

''You will own nothing and you will be happy'', neofeudalism is what we are all looking at because of idiots that support these policies.
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by Chuck Baldwin, ChuckBaldwinLive.com

As a political analyst and more importantly as a spiritually-minded student of the Scriptures, I am absolutely convinced of this: When the major establishments all pounce on one subject, collectively decide who is a victim and who is a villain and beat the same drum over and over in total unison, the narrative that is being presented is one hundred percent upside down.

And right now the power establishments have decided to bewitch us with an anti-Russia, pro-Ukraine agenda. But as with all establishment propaganda, the narrative is a big, fat lie.

I begin with Ron Paul’s excellent commentary:
When the Bush Administration announced in 2008 that Ukraine and Georgia would be eligible for NATO membership, I knew it was a terrible idea. Nearly two decades after the end of both the Warsaw Pact and the Cold War, expanding NATO made no sense. NATO itself made no sense.
Explaining my “no” vote on a bill to endorse the expansion, I said at the time:
NATO is an organization whose purpose ended with the end of its Warsaw Pact adversary… This current round of NATO expansion is a political reward to governments in Georgia and Ukraine that came to power as a result of US-supported revolutions, the so-called Orange Revolution and Rose Revolution.
Providing US military guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia can only further strain our military. This NATO expansion may well involve the US military in conflicts unrelated to our national interest…
Unfortunately, as we have seen this past week, my fears have come true. One does not need to approve of Russia’s military actions to analyze its stated motivation: NATO membership for Ukraine was a red line it was not willing to see crossed. As we find ourselves at risk of a terrible escalation, we should remind ourselves that it didn’t have to happen this way. There was no advantage to the United States to expand and threaten to expand NATO to Russia’s doorstep. There is no way to argue that we are any safer for it.
NATO went off the rails long before 2008, however. The North Atlantic Treaty was signed on April 4, 1949, and by the start of the Korean War just over a year later, NATO was very much involved in the military operation of the war in Asia, not Europe!
NATO’s purpose was stated to “guarantee the safety and freedom of its members by political and military means.” It is a job not well done!
I believe as strongly today as I did back in my 2008 House Floor speech that, “NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.” In the meantime, expansion should be off the table.
Hear, hear, Dr. Paul.
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Ron Paul
I also encourage you to read this terrific column by Attorney John Whitehead entitled Perpetual Tyranny: Endless Wars Are The Enemy Of Freedom.
In this column, Whitehead wrote,
As long as America’s politicians continue to involve us in wars that bankrupt the nation, jeopardize our servicemen and women, increase the chances of terrorism and blowback domestically, and push the nation that much closer to eventual collapse, “we the people” will find ourselves in a perpetual state of tyranny.
It’s time for the U.S. government to stop policing the globe.

This latest crisis—America’s part in the showdown between Russia and the Ukraine—has conveniently followed on the heels of a long line of other crises, manufactured or otherwise, which have occurred like clockwork in order to keep Americans distracted, deluded, amused, and insulated from the government’s steady encroachments on our freedoms.
And so it continues in its Orwellian fashion.

Two years after COVID-19 shifted the world into a state of global authoritarianism, just as the people’s tolerance for heavy-handed mandates seems to have finally worn thin, we are being prepped for the next distraction and the next drain on our economy.
Yet policing the globe and waging endless wars abroad isn’t making America—or the rest of the world—any safer, it’s certainly not making America great again, and it’s undeniably digging the U.S. deeper into debt.
War has become a huge money-making venture, and the U.S. government, with its vast military empire, is one of its best buyers and sellers.

What most Americans—brainwashed into believing that patriotism means supporting the war machine—fail to recognize is that these ongoing wars have little to do with keeping the country safe and everything to do with propping up a military-industrial complex that continues to dominate, dictate and shape almost every aspect of our lives.

Consider: We are a military culture engaged in continuous warfare. We have been a nation at war for most of our existence. We are a nation that makes a living from killing through defense contracts, weapons manufacturing, and endless wars.
The United States is the number one consumer, exporter, and perpetrator of violence and violent weapons in the world. Seriously, America spends more money on war than the combined military budgets of China, Russia, the United Kingdom, Japan, France, Saudi Arabia, India, Germany, Italy, and Brazil. America polices the globe, with 800 military bases and troops stationed in 160 countries. Moreover, the war hawks have turned the American homeland into a quasi-battlefield with military gear, weapons, and tactics. In turn, domestic police forces have become roving extensions of the military—a standing army.
The American Empire—with its endless wars waged by U.S. military service people who have been reduced to little more than guns for hire: outsourced, stretched too thin, and deployed to far-flung places to police the globe—is approaching a breaking point.
Come on, people. What would America do if Russia or China was attempting to build military bases on our Canadian and Mexican borders? What do you think would happen?
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Plus, the leader of Ukraine is anything but a hero. He gladly participated in allowing the banks of Ukraine to be used as money launderers for rich businessmen and politicians and for influence-peddling in U.S. politics.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (a Zionist Jew) is also accused of barbaric—even genocidal—treatment of the people living in the two breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk—which have a Natural right under God to separate from Ukraine and who appealed to Russia for protection. (Tell me, did Iraq and Afghanistan invite America to send our military to their countries before we invaded them?) Is it any wonder that Ukraine is looking to Israel for military assistance? After all, Israel is extremely proficient at ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Let’s also not forget that Ukraine is home to over a dozen U.S. Biolabs that are sponsored and financed by the Pentagon. In other words, those labs are there for potential military operations. Again, what do you think America would do if Russia had built a dozen military Biolabs just across our borders in Canada and Mexico?
Ukraine is NOT a victim. It has been up to its proverbial neck in global (especially anti-Russian) subterfuge, theft, acts of inhumanity, and war crimes for years. Ukraine is no friend of freedom or the United States. But it is a friend to corrupt politicians and businessmen.
Whatever is really going on in Ukraine has nothing to do with the narrative being propounded by the major establishments.
1) Let me ask you something: If the United States felt justified in launching preemptive invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan—including long-term occupations—a half a world away from our borders against small backward nations that posed zero threat to America, how is Russia not justified in launching a preemptive campaign to protect itself from a serious formidable military expansion at its border—especially when its protection is sought from legitimate independent states? (Remember, America was once a breakaway country.) Please read Dr. Paul’s commentary referenced above about why the real villain in this situation is NATO, not Russia. Again, what would we do if we were in Russia’s shoes?

If Russia really wanted to conquer Ukraine, it could easily do so. Ukraine is totally incapable of successfully resisting the Russian military if Russia truly desired military conquest (which it doesn’t). Russian leader Vladimir Putin told the world exactly why his actions were being taken, what his actions in Ukraine were designed and not designed to do—including NOT occupying Ukraine—and how they would be conducted. I think you should read what he said.
2) Were the U.S. Biolabs an important objective? I understand that the labs may have been destroyed early in the operation. If so, that is a VERY GOOD thing.
3) Now that the American people have made it known that they have had it with the phony Covid narrative and the fear factor is totally gone, are the totalitarian elite now using the threat of global war to again consume people’s hearts with fear? As Whitehead said, “Endless wars are the enemy of freedom.” (I’ve been saying that for years.) Fear is also a tool to enslave us. Early in the Covid charade, I brought a message to this regard.
4) Is this a diversion to take our attention away from the National Vaccine Pass (and other attempts by our own central government to trample our liberties) that is being rolled out, supported by both Democrats and Republicans?
5) Is this another manipulation of world affairs from within the backrooms of the CFR and Bilderbergs for the purpose of achieving their overall objective of global governance?
Of course, Scofield futurists are all over the place screaming about “end times prophecy.” What Balderdash! One would think that Christians would start using their brains a little bit and stop listening to these phony prophecy sensationalists who make bank (and fools out of themselves) with false prophecies about the end of the world.
Whatever the real story in Ukraine is, I can tell you this: It is NOT what the major establishments are telling us. And Ukraine is NOT a victim.
This article was first published on March 12, 2022.
 
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Trading few hundred square kms for thousand of Ukie and mercs lifes seems rather good deal i'm guessing it will be rinse and repeat in a few days. As long as there are willing idiots that come with rifles to an artillery fight it will be so. I wonder what the narrative will be when Russians (after sufficiently) bleed out Ukrops and take over most of the eastern Ukraine.
 
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sharac said:
Trading few hundred square kms for thousand of Ukie and mercs lifes seems rather good deal i'm guessing it will be rinse and repeat in a few days. As long as there are willing idiots that come with rifles to an artillery fight it will be so. I wonder what the narrative will be when Russians (after sufficiently) bleed out Ukrops and take over most of the eastern Ukraine.
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You seem a little down.....

I thought you would be celebrating.
 
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A question posed in @Darayavaus post above

"Let me ask you something: If the United States felt justified in launching preemptive invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan—including long-term occupations—a half a world away from our borders against small backward nations that posed zero threat to America, how is Russia not justified in launching a preemptive campaign to protect itself from a serious formidable military expansion at its border—especially when its protection is sought from legitimate independent states?"

It's different because welllll... We are good and Russia bad?
The world trade center rubble was smoldering and the politicians got the patriotism flames burning for revenge. They wrapped it up in old glory and the money transfer to the MIC began. The bullshit nation building (spreading democracy) was always the plan. It worked in Korea and Vietnam.
 
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Down as in surprised by Ukrops advance and subsequently sad that in war you retreat or that you make errors (if)?

I'm not down i guess you are under impression that i follow "instagram" propaganda pundits that think 155mm is the length of a dildo that gets hurled across the contact line...

Told you at the start of this thread what will happen regardless of all the "posturing". This is war against the NWO which includes (but not limited to), US, EU and some other insignificant others. This are maybe initial stages of a global war that might (will??) cost billion of lives (as in 9 zeros not 6) so regardless if this was a mistake/fluke/miss read/whatever from RF forces or a planned action its really not important just as the push on Kiev was not. Sure tragic for those left behind (especially if planned) but in grand scheme of things (as bitter as that sounds) unimportant and if you know Russian/Soviet method of operation in the past than you know they have a stomach (as bitter as that sounds) for giving/asking/requiring/forcing own/others for sacrifices wherever the "decision centers" see fit. Also to note is that as it stands Ukrainians from the east must bleed and prove they really want their independence firstly and fore mostly, only then will RF make sacrifices of their own.

Question for us is which side will we choose when time comes (if not nukes before that)? NWO in the form of patriotism to the US/EU or will we overthrow wanna be world masters at home? Those who think this can or will be done via elections and peaceful means are getting fever and fever with each turn of the "pain dial"? Who will win in the end? I hope not NWO i for one know i don't want me or my kids living in a world that they would have.
 
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