Why a bill vs just challenging it in court, with the recent scotus findings shouldn’t we be able to?
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Why a bill vs just challenging it in court, with the recent scotus findings shouldn’t we be able to?
Like I said, I think it’s pandering. But I guess the idea is that this will help solidify anything that the courts say. Courts interpretation means little if there is nobody to enforce what they say.
Madison Cawthorn says DC is orgy-filled, cocaine-fueled ‘House of Cards’
‘We’re going to have a sexual get-together at one of our homes, you should come. And then you realize they’re asking you to come to an orgy,” Rep. Madison Cawthorn said.
nypost.com Not from NC but it’s Interesting how Madison Cawthorn was a freshmen congressman with name ID and just lost his seat during the NC Republican primary in May of this year. VERY RARE for a sitting congressman/senator with good name ID to get primaried like that but again not real familiar with all of his positions however he seemed pro 2A.
You think it has anything to do with him speaking to a reporter about getting invited to orgies in DC attended by Democrats and Republicans alike which included free flowing cocaina? Hmmm….
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Did he recently get arrested for trying to board a plane with a gun or something?Madison Cawthorn says DC is orgy-filled, cocaine-fueled ‘House of Cards’
‘We’re going to have a sexual get-together at one of our homes, you should come. And then you realize they’re asking you to come to an orgy,” Rep. Madison Cawthorn said.
Not from NC buts it’s Interesting how Madison Cawthorn was a freshmen congressman with name ID and just lost his seat during the NC Republican primary in May of this year. VERY RARE for a sitting congressman/senator with good name ID to get primaried like that but again not real familiar with all of his positions however he seemed pro 2A but not 100% certain.
You think it has anything to do with him calling out the GOP after he spoke to a reporter about getting invited to orgies in DC attended by Democrats and Republicans which included free flowing cocaina? Hmmm….
Yes I believe so it was a pistol in his travel bag and TSA caught it during security check. He admitted it was a mistake and I think they didn’t charge him.
Really wish a huge (or just big enough) asteroid would F'ing slam into DC and wipe it out so we can start over.Madison Cawthorn says DC is orgy-filled, cocaine-fueled ‘House of Cards’
‘We’re going to have a sexual get-together at one of our homes, you should come. And then you realize they’re asking you to come to an orgy,” Rep. Madison Cawthorn said.
Not from NC but it’s Interesting how Madison Cawthorn was a freshmen congressman with name ID and just lost his seat during the NC Republican primary in May of this year. VERY RARE for a sitting congressman/senator with good name ID to get primaried like that but again not real familiar with all of his positions however he seemed pro 2A.
You think it has anything to do with him speaking to a reporter about getting invited to orgies in DC attended by Democrats and Republicans alike which included free flowing cocaina? Hmmm….
Caligula part deux.Really wish a huge (or just big enough) asteroid would F'ing slam into DC and wipe it out so we can start over.
Really wish a huge (or just big enough) asteroid would F'ing slam into DC and wipe it out so we can start over.
Sadly most of those Congress Critters would be in recess and thousands of miles away when it occurs.
This is exactly the problem with Republicans. Remember when the R's held the House, Senate and Presidency? Remember when Trump signed the ridiculous "Omnibus" spending bill full of garbage? Why didn't the repubs put in the hearing protection stuff into that, or repeal the NFA, or defund the ATF or a million other things? If you demwads want your Planned Parenthood slush fund, then you're going to have to get rid of the NFA. But noooo, let's "compromise". And Madison Cawthorn KNOWS this is going nowhere.
Yes I agree on the republicans ability to NOT negotiate. I’ll see if I can find the video clip but in 2017 when the GOP held the house & senate the house had the votes for the hearing protection act (suppressors) Trump was on TV saying it will never pass right now don’t have everyone on board Etc. He was just regurgitating Mitch McConnell in that moment I was very disappointed as he was under the spell of swamp monsters at that time.
In a good way. The best indicator is the big increase in gun sales over the past couple of years; 50 million more if I recall correctly.
But he is not up for re-election...he lost his primary. So at this point nothing let to lose...unless he is jockeying for something in the future.
Well the SC did just make some historical rulings...
Again, means nothing if there is nobody to enforce them! How many politicians have come out and told people to ignore them recently? How many are ignoring them? We literally have branches going rogue and fighting each other. The system as of right now is failing. It requires good men to lead and we don’t have that. I applaud the USSCs efforts but they cannot enforce laws.
It's been a month. Not sure what you expect to happen in 30 days. The courts will have to enforce them. It's literally case law now.
But they literally can’t. They do not have an enforcement arm. I don’t think you are following what I’m throwing down. They cannot call out the troops or make Congress or the president obey. The Court relies on the executive and legislative branches to carry out its rulings, quite literally. And right now you have a Congress and executive branch that doesn’t seem to care too much about court rulings as they are doing everything they can to get around them or not comply, it seems anyways. Maybe not full noncompliance yet but those branches are getting more rogue by the day. You also have other groups that clearly do not understand their rolls. I’m not going to mention them yet but im sure you can imagine who they might be as they are the ones that will ultimately decide to enforce the laws, or not.
It’s them playing their part to keep a seat at the table. It’s why I won’t pretend to vote for a republican ever again. They have more in common with the dem commies than they do with me. Fuck them.
@SilentStalkr is exactly right. Sanctuary cities. Open violations of election law. Failure to enforce drug laws. Failure to enforce immigration law. Demonization of law as a means to not change it but ignore it. The list goes on and on. There is no price to pay for openly violating laws “they” don’t like it agree with. We speak up about it, we’re racist and risk losing our jobs, etc.
Unless this kind of bullshit changes and we get back to a real three legged stool we’ll continue to decay as a nation.
All 100% intentional.
Unless this kind of bullshit changes and we get back to a real three legged stool we’ll continue to decay as a nation.
All 100% intentional.
But heaven forbid you do 65 in a 60 then refuse to pay and show up for court to protest the two tier justice system with its selective laws and prosecution of them, and police officers will execute warrants for your arrest and kill you when you resist. Its why I have no respect for the immoral statists we know as LEO.
Fighting back against an unjust or immoral law is one thing. Fighting the cops over a Misdemeanor is fucking stupid. (Not saying that’s what you’re implying, I understand your sentiment)
I’m not where you are yet. As someone who still believes in the rule of law and doesn’t want to see anarchy, I think laws should be enforced or changed/abolished. Enforced Fairly, across the board. Used to be when stuff got out of hand with LEO the citizens handled it. Think West Virginia union stuff. Now LE has been militarized and it’s not quite the same but still doable if we had the stomach for it. Trouble is, who decides who the “bad cops” are?
There certainly is several tiers of justice in this country. Especially politicians vs everyone else. There is probably several ways to fix this but IMO until the agencies that investigate and enforce the laws and the judiciary sees that there will be swift and severe punishment for egregious disregard or flagrant violations of enforcement of said laws nothing will change.
Honestly, at this point, I don’t even know why we have the courts? If the other branches do not enforce the interpretation of the courts then what is the point of the courts? Fatal flaw from the founders. Again, they never imagined all branches working against each other, or did they? Perhaps this is where the 2A comes in or is supposed to? When branches cease to work with each other then governments effectiveness also ceases.
Chick has yuge hammers. I hope something comes of this but I’m not hopeful.
If the NFA is struck down watch for a huge price increase in suppressors, SBRs and FA weapons until the supply catches up with demand.
What gets me are the Fudds that ask me if I got any guns I want to sell.
After asking them what they are looking for and drawing more information out of them the inevitable statement comes out, “I don’t want anything with paperwork attached.”
I like to respond with, “In that case, the price goes up.”
The look on their face is priceless.
Why would SBR prices go up? @Zak Smith would you expect prices to go up or down in this hypothetical situation?
It was his lawyer that didn't show up, according to a couple of 2A lawyers on youtube
All the prices for NFA items will go up. SBRs and SBSs are no different. It would stand to reason that if people don't have to submit paperwork, fingerprints and photo as well as the $200 tax then they will more-than-likely move forward on purchases of said items once impediments are removed.
But 10.5” barrels are widely available now. I just don’t see that changing and prices going up. The only difference between and SBR and a rifle is the barrel (and brace I guess). There’s always a correction when market forces change but I don’t think it will cause massive price increases. If anything an increase in supply should lower prices
Eventually it will but in the short term you just opened the market to millions of new buyers who wanted those items but didn’t want to deal with the wait or the paperwork. Companies like TBAC are already months out on their deliveries due to their popularity, imagine what happens when that popularity increases 10 fold over night.
But suppressor companies like TBAC are smallish and don’t make a ton of product because of the waits. I’m sure they would expand and hire to meet the increase in demand.
All I want is to be able to order $400 machine guns from PSA.
We know its unlawful, the case Murdoch v Pennsylvania straight up says you can't charge a tax, fee or require a license for the exercise of a right but every 2A organization I've pointed this out to may as well plug their ears and scream LALALALALA to the information. But that's the problem with expecting others to fix things for us.
I can agree with that.
When they closed the registry on machine guns in 1986 there were/are 175,000 transferable machine guns registered. So if you want a run-of-the- mill WW2 Thompson, you're going to pay around 25K for one now. Meanwhile, Kahr will sell you a new semi-auto for under $2000. If they get rid of the NFA, Kahr will be able to produce a F/A gun for the same $2K retail. I'm pretty sure there will be less demand for a WW2 Thompson. those prices will drop. Stens, which cost about $100 to produce, won't fetch the $8-10K they cost now.
The collectables (Like early Colt Thoompsons) may hold their value because of their rarity.
The collectables (Like early Colt Thoompsons) may hold their value because of their rarity.
There are some FA owners that are hoping that the NFA remains intact. In other words, their attitudes are screw everyone else's rights. My investments come first.
It's my bet that if SCOTUS said the NFA was no more - that the DOJ/ATF would ignore that ruling and go all in on massive full-scale tyranny.
I hope that you are wrong but will admit that is a possibility.
If they did, I doubt it would go very well for them.
It's a fun discussion, but currently we can barely feed our bolt guns.
These 2A organizations don't want to fix the problem. Doing so would cost them their job so they do enough to keep the money rolling in. It's no different than someone in government pretending they are advocates of a small and limited decentralized government. They are not. This also would cause them to have to work for a living instead of relying on the labor of others for their existence. People are selfish creatures even when their children's futures are at stake.
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