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Did a bit of shooting in 68 on the other guys turf. I learned that bullets and thinks that go bang make people bleed and die. Now I’m an old dude who can’t run or carry a body anymore. I’m old and fat and the agent orange got my heart and lungs. But that’s my super power. I look helpless. I’m not. Old marines get smarter and more evil minded. If I’m gonna have a war on my home turf I sure as hell am not gonna go March. I’m gonna do recon. Build intel. Find weak points. Build my reserves and make a battle plan. If I have to battle commies again on my home soil then I use their tactics against them. Young guys can take bear spray to a gun fight if they want. I want to park an Abrams on their front porch and ring the door bell With the barrel.
Hmmmm....well there you go. I like this guy. Calm and collected. Anyways two guns recovered, supposedly. Interviewing people from two opposing sides is sure to cut right to the truth with a quickness. But, there is video that shows the actual incident. Not sure how much before if after was shot tho. Will be interesting to see how this one comes out. I do think it seems like there are people running around looking for a fight and that is something we definitely don’t need. Oh well. Have to see how it shakes out.
Last attempt before bed.
We know the dead guy appears to have assaulted the shooter. If he ran his mouth at the same time, maybe something along the lines of "I'll fuckin kill you" then starts reaching for his bear mace...
Now what? Do you wait to see what he's reaching for or take him at his word he plans to end your life?
Not saying that's what happened, I'm saying none of us know what happened, and pretending otherwise is stupid.
This is why video is fuckin retarded, it never shows the whole story but people like to fill in the blanks according to their point of view.
Rushing to judgment is a knife that cuts both ways.
So after further review, it appears that they didn’t close the gap. It appears that fat tatted guy ran into security guard guy, basically slapped him, both take a step back, one draws spray and one draws a gun and bam. But again, all we got at this point is little fragments of info. I’d like to know where the other gun was that they say was recovered. Definitely going to be interesting to see how this one shakes out. It’s also interesting that some of the other photos make it look like the guard is closing the gap and then taking a stance yet others seem to indicate he was backing up. All I can say is, if sucks. People need to calm it down, take a breath and move on. I definitely would not intentionally be putting myself in that situation. Crazy!
Celebration of dead guy? Wow.
Competition for the Darwin awards is really tough in 2020 and much of it in HD 
*no way this is not ending with a lengthy jail time
''The shooter has been reported to be a bodyguard for a local news reporter with no affiliation to Antifa, according to the Denver Police.''
'Tattoo' or a sticker on shooter's hand LOL
*no way this is not ending with a lengthy jail time
''The shooter has been reported to be a bodyguard for a local news reporter with no affiliation to Antifa, according to the Denver Police.''
'Tattoo' or a sticker on shooter's hand LOL
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If some bozo decided to threaten a police officer with a can of pepper spray and got shot in his face, there would be a round of high-fives and plenty of comments along the lines of "good shoot!".
If a citizen with a CCW got threatened with a can of pepper spray, drew on the assailant, and then pulled the trigger once he got sprayed in face, we'd anoint the dude as a hero.
If the pepper-spray guy was BLM/Antifa and the shooter was a conservative militia member, there would already be a half-dozen threads in the Pit with tactical analysis, memes, GoFundMe links, etc etc etc.
So why the reluctance to even consider that the shooter in this case may have been OK in his actions, or at least that the pepper-spray dude is a complete moron? I suspect it's because of the initial framing of the situation (conservative dude with pepper spray vs Antifa asshole with gun). And if indeed that's the case - that we are willing to overlook facts and suppress common sense because of some incorrect context - then yeah, we're in the fast lane on our way to a major internal conflict.
If a citizen with a CCW got threatened with a can of pepper spray, drew on the assailant, and then pulled the trigger once he got sprayed in face, we'd anoint the dude as a hero.
If the pepper-spray guy was BLM/Antifa and the shooter was a conservative militia member, there would already be a half-dozen threads in the Pit with tactical analysis, memes, GoFundMe links, etc etc etc.
So why the reluctance to even consider that the shooter in this case may have been OK in his actions, or at least that the pepper-spray dude is a complete moron? I suspect it's because of the initial framing of the situation (conservative dude with pepper spray vs Antifa asshole with gun). And if indeed that's the case - that we are willing to overlook facts and suppress common sense because of some incorrect context - then yeah, we're in the fast lane on our way to a major internal conflict.
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I'd bet you several dead pigeons that you are nowhere close to being on the same troll level as Bender. If that's your goal in life, I'd recommend sitting closer to the front of the class, and take better notes.
If you see a guy coming at you with deadly force do you deploy what you got or go fetal and just die?
Sheriffs are responsible for this shit though Supreme Court would disagree.
Next one is going to be a full on platoon vs platoon shootout.
It's a biker war for now.
You're getting soft. I wouldn't ring the door bell. That gives them some sort of warning .
To quote Fezek from the Princess Bride: "My way is not very sportsman like" and I made peace with that.
You all realize the blowback from this will effect us more than any actual participant?
Top two pictures look out of order to me. First picture shows shooter’s glasses and hat already knocked off and he appears to be reaching for his gun.Competition for the Darwin awards is really tough in 2020 and much of it in HD
*no way this is not ending with a lengthy jail time
''The shooter has been reported to be a bodyguard for a local news reporter with no affiliation to Antifa, according to the Denver Police.''
'Tattoo' or a sticker on shooter's hand LOL
I cant speak for "we" so freely.
Still missing lots of context.
"We", will see...I guess
The picture of shooter getting slapped is interesting, why and what was shooter reaching for? Maybe threatened with spray and reaches to try to take spray?
Who was second gun from?
Security guard arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder after fatal shooting near dueling Denver rallies
Matthew Dolloff, 30, is being held at the Downtown Detention Center.
www.9news.com Why is a private security dude for a reporter engaged in any contact with either side of the protest? Shouldn’t his first job be to keep the “journalist” safe? If there are any signs of danger shouldn’t his first response be to get the guy he’s paid to secure out of there?
At this point if you are a conservative attending a rally/protest, you should be carrying an ar-15, handgun, and plates. Bear spray just proved to be insufficient defense against anything on a second note. Praying for the USA. This only gets worse IMHO.
the "news" and antifa are on the same side as far as i can tell.Latest news (I know) is reporting the shooter is hired security for the local News and was on the job at the time of the shooting.
1 person dead, suspect in custody following shooting at Denver protests: Police
One man was killed and a male suspect is in custody following a shooting at a protest in Denver on Saturday, authorities said. The shooting occurred in the courtyard near the Denver Art Museum, officials said. Denver police later said they were investigating the incident as a homicide.www.yahoo.com
Idk spray guys affiliation but IMO doesnt look like antifa. But who knows. BLM supporter, again IDK. His shirt is hard to read in the pics above. And even then...
And he might have been talking shit and threatening with pepper spray...likely, even.
Appears shooter was reaching for something when he got the pimp hand.
If this is the case and shooter took that step to physically take spray...
Ifs and buts...
If that scenario plays this out, then I reckon its ok to try to take spray from people and when you get popped you can draw on them?
And he might have been talking shit and threatening with pepper spray...likely, even.
Appears shooter was reaching for something when he got the pimp hand.
If this is the case and shooter took that step to physically take spray...
Ifs and buts...
If that scenario plays this out, then I reckon its ok to try to take spray from people and when you get popped you can draw on them?
I will also say this fever pitch of trying to label the sides of who was involved is tiresome. I see two people, involved in an altercation of some sort. Who is affiliated with what/who doesnt matter much to me tbh. Thats all for the political fodder to rile the appropriate plebs. In the end, all these events serve the purpose of attacking freedom and liberty..from BOTH sides of the aisle.
As far as I am concerned, what matters is the sequence of events and specifics of the actions.
As far as I am concerned, what matters is the sequence of events and specifics of the actions.
So the news media are now actively involved in having their paid employees try to kill conservatives.
I guess that means they are now active violent enemies bent on murder and should be treated as such?
Pinkertons have been scum of the earth for a very long time, it figures one of them would be the murderer.
Hopefully at the very least some family members go after the news station as well as the private "murder for hire" company as hard as they can in the courts and take them for every penny they are worth.
I'm assuming after this the "news" types might want to really watch their actions because anybody with a brain is going to be looking at them and anybody that seems to be around them as potential ANTIFA aligned murdering scum.
I guess that means they are now active violent enemies bent on murder and should be treated as such?
Pinkertons have been scum of the earth for a very long time, it figures one of them would be the murderer.
Hopefully at the very least some family members go after the news station as well as the private "murder for hire" company as hard as they can in the courts and take them for every penny they are worth.
I'm assuming after this the "news" types might want to really watch their actions because anybody with a brain is going to be looking at them and anybody that seems to be around them as potential ANTIFA aligned murdering scum.
Well, the reluctance is probably chiefly due to the history of both sides and the aggression levels in the videos. I didn’t think the video helped a self defense case, there didn’t seem to be much of an attack going on. One side seemed pretty calm while being goaded to take action and called niggers. The cheers of, “f—k yeah! Right in the f—king dome!” make it seem like one side was in favor of the violence. The poster would support that call to violence. The pictures are clearly out of order, and the “attacker” has moved back several feet from the “slap” to the shooting. Long story short, I wouldn’t want to be in the shooters shoes, but he’ll get his day in court.
Why was "security" guy even bothering with pepper spray dude?
Perhaps someone with more experience can help me understand. If someone is talking shit and threatening to spray (non lethal), then I would probably decide to get my quarry out of harms way and shuffle them out of the area.
Not sure I would confront any further at that point, as someone who is there on strictly security purposes and not confronted with a must take lethal action scenario. Or being forced into a decision of an immediate lethal threat.
Makes me think that in addition to providing security, shooter was also actively participating in the overall fuckery.
Perhaps someone with more experience can help me understand. If someone is talking shit and threatening to spray (non lethal), then I would probably decide to get my quarry out of harms way and shuffle them out of the area.
Not sure I would confront any further at that point, as someone who is there on strictly security purposes and not confronted with a must take lethal action scenario. Or being forced into a decision of an immediate lethal threat.
Makes me think that in addition to providing security, shooter was also actively participating in the overall fuckery.
Either way.
I question shooter guys decision making process. This if he did try to take spray from guy and reached...
What will be interesting is if spray guy also had a gun where shooter guy could say he thought spray guy was reaching for gun and took action. Might or might not be the actual truth, but in this case perhaps potential lethal actions were necessary. Especially if spray guys gun was previously brandished etc.
My humble opinion. Pretty fucked up no matter whos "side" the guys were on. One guy dead, the others life probably destroyed over what?
What's a true shame to me is the media getting away with sowing so much division. And folks falling for it.
What's a true shame to me is the media getting away with sowing so much division. And folks falling for it.
IMO the portland shooting offers no context to this event other than the underlying political shitshow.
More info is needed. But again, if shooter reached in an attempt to forceably take spray from guy then he made poor decision within the spirit of providing security.
Perhaps I am just a pussy, but I wouldnt have done that and instead made sure my subject was out of the spray area given no other immediate or potential lethal threat.
Reaching would elevate not de-escalate. But again, I am no expert and need to rely on more common sense.
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Apparently the shooter has been booked on first degree murder charges...
They have been rather well organized into hit squads and kill squads and shooters and backup shooters for some time
They just pretend to be all loose and disorganized, but it's very much like the rise to the National Socialist takeover of Germany.
Goon squads with backup killers to take out anyone who stands up to the beat down squad.
Just like in that Austin incident, when the driver had to defend himself from the guy attacking him with the AK, there was already another "medic" with a gun backing up AK guy and shooting at the driver, and that shooter right away called his "handler" with an update on the situation.
While all the good folks were distracted with petty little stuff, the militant Marxists have been fully infiltrating our society to the core and setting up their command and control network for their revolution.
We are just now starting to see the beginning stages of them doing the "street protests" stage of the takeover plot.
The good folks are so far behind the curve it's not even funny. But most still don't have a clue.
Nope. The “security” guy was protecting someone from 9 news. The photographer was with The Denver Post.
Anyone who shows up to that park on crapitol hill in Denver for any reason is a loser, its a homeless encampment full of drug addicts and the mentally ill. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. 
Frankly, if the good folks you speak of take to the streets then that means the roof has blown off and its to the point of no return.
Lots of OAF (im not one) currently on the sidelines, going about their business, working, raising families etc. Not those latest michigan types...
Me thinks while those you speak of are organized, they have not much clue on what awaits on the sidelines.
I for one pray it never gets to that. I can only imagine the horrors despite the fantasies played out by either side...
I offer no solutions, unfortunately.
Lots of OAF (im not one) currently on the sidelines, going about their business, working, raising families etc. Not those latest michigan types...
Me thinks while those you speak of are organized, they have not much clue on what awaits on the sidelines.
I for one pray it never gets to that. I can only imagine the horrors despite the fantasies played out by either side...
I offer no solutions, unfortunately.
Getting slapped like a little punk is justification for lethal self defense as long as youre an "anti racist", didnt you know?
Just make sure to call the person you kill a racist and youre good.
Never mind that your non black buddy is the only one screaming the n word.
Just make sure to call the person you kill a racist and youre good.
Never mind that your non black buddy is the only one screaming the n word.
I still want to know where this second gun was recovered. There wasn’t one laying anywhere around the guy with the pepper spray. If that guy had one then he never went for it. I find that part of this story super interesting. Makes me wonder who you can trust in this story which is exactly what some people are wanting. And imo, dude yelling fuck yeah and being belligerent as hell should be booked for inciting violence not only before the shooting but after. Running around applauding that someone was just domed and all and asking to be sprayed and calling people nigger and all this other nonsense pretty much instigated this entire thing, whether it was planned or not. He had a hand in it. Another thing that bothers me is the video of the group that is just casually walking towards a scene where a gun was deployed and used. That’s not typical behavior for the avg person. Anyways, will just have to wait and see where this goes. Interesting for sure. I really feel bad for the police here as they are going to be condemned no matter what they do. They are in a real tough spot to try and maintain some semblance of control.
Don't worry about the OAF business, history has shown quite often OAF is vastly over rated and in many cases it was simply your every day common man that rose to the occasion and did things simply because they had to be done and there was nobody there to do it but them, so they did what they had to.
While it’s important not to underestimate them, when/if patriots take the gloves off, it would be quite ugly for the other side. There’s no denying most hardcore pipe hitting vets are on our side, and we have the training and weapons advantage. The FBI/DOJ is hugely corrupt, but it’s still obvious they take the right as an extremely serious threat. Yes, they’re leftists and purposefully blind to their own sides actions, that don’t mean their conclusions are totally invalid.
OAF = operator as fck
Here’s pretty good breakdown
Even if he wasn’t a Antifa member, so what? Dude committed cold blooded murder in the name of communism. Put his head on a spike at the entrance of the town.
@Forgetful Coyote already answered, but it should be pointed out that 99% of the time that acronym is used with heavy sarcasm here in the Pit - like you see a mall cop wearing a drop-leg holster like he thinks a "real" Operator - "OAF" for sure. However for the purposes of this discussion, specifically the posts you are referencing, they are using it as an accurate description of highly-trained, former military personnel who really know how to break things and kill people, the majority of whom it is assumed would be against the Communists/Anarchists/Leftists in a real civil war.
By the way, no one has mentioned this shooter's choice to take a head shot. We all have discussed how juries will interpret actions in a self-defense shooting, including taking a head shot being interpreted as intent-to-kill and not just "stop" the threat. Recently, in the church shooting where Jack Wilson took out the shooter with a single head shot, it's clear that it was necessary because he was actively shooting people and a center-of-mass shot may not have stopped him quick enough to keep him from shooting more people. But in this case, it seems to be a completely different situation. I won't go so far as to make final judgements without all the facts, but this is one I haven't seen debated yet.
Assassination. That was the intent after having his hat bitchslaped off.
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