It was just self defense kids!!

[W54/XM-388]

How about letting them wipe out Israel, the ones who shall we say 'appropriated' the land from its inhabitants, crowded them into a small area.

Dont try to hand out a bunch of stuff about God giving it to them or the Balfour agreement. Stick with the core issue, the Jews stole the land and the people who lost it are rightfully pissed. You would be too if someone stole your home by hook or crook. Lay all the other issues aside and its that simple.

As much as the "Arabs" and "Palestinians" like to talk about wiping the Jews out and killing them all and such.
The FACT of the matter is they can't, they simply don't have the ability to and probably won't ever.
They also only hate Israel slightly more than they hate each other.
There is NO such thing as a "united Arab front".

The State of Israel is here to stay for good, at least until like some WWIII event wipes out most countries in the world.

At the start of the modern state of Israel the "Arabs" tried wiping out the Jews and got face stomped pretty badly.
They tried a few more times and wound up getting more curb stomped and losing more land each time.

The "Refugees" kind of came about partially because the "Arabs" told the local "Palestinians", to get out of the way so they could genocide the Jews and then the "Palestinians" could come back. Those that took up the offer became the "refugees" and those that stayed and assimilated, became the many "Arabs" that live peacefully in Israel and have posts in the government and in the military.

If the USA wasn't interfering and it came to all out war between Israel and the "Arabs", the outcome would be the Arabs getting nuked back into sand.

So sure in the end it might come to simply "let them fight" but the outcome of that fight will be Israel wins "Arabs" are mentioned in history books.

 

[Tokay444]

Arguing with ignorant bigots is a waste of time.....their mind is made up, don't confuse them with facts

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Shut the fuck up. Shouldn't you be shopping for dildos from your favourite rabbi?

 

[djarecke]

I think that Christians often “stand with Israel” because of verses in bible indicating that God will be against those who are against Israel. Gen 12:3. But my question is, who is the real Israel God is speaking of? What the nation of Israel is today, is largely political and not religious and definitely appears to not be seeking God, so are they the Israel or peoples that are referenced in the Covenant? Hard to determine, so most default to backing them.

Great question, and one that Candace Owens and Tucker just went over in a recent podcast. I think a good frame of reference is that the focus here is not actually on Israel, but rather the GOD of Israel. Is He faithful? Does He forgive? Even when His Son is crucified by people that teach His Law?

The answer is "yes", clearly. Ezekiel 36 talks about a time when Israel will be reborn and brought back into its land (a second time, actually). This has never happened before, nor did it happen to a wonderful people that kept His statues perfectly. Rather, this tiny people group would not only be brought back but blessed so much so that the world would hate them for it! No matter their deviations, God is showing HIS character to forgive because the Covenant relationship in Genesis 12 is with Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Ezekiel 36 says that the people will come back and this will show that God is faithful.

If He can forgive and keep His promises of the Genesis 12 Covenant with a people that slipped away and were brought back even in their unbelief, He can forgive anyone. Even me.

So yes, Israel today is the Israel of Genesis 12. In fact, their unbelief proves Ezekiel 36 to be about today's nation.

 

[theLBC]

The correct response to the question of who killed Jesus is "we did" or "I did". Any other answer means you don't understand the problem, and why God sacrificed his only son for us.

Is the Old Testament about "us", or only about Jews? Not coincidence that Jesus was a Jew from the line of David.

lol

 

[Maggot]

The correct response to the question of who killed Jesus is "we did" or "I did". Any other answer means you don't understand the problem, and why God sacrificed his only son for us.

Is the Old Testament about "us", or only about Jews? Not coincidence that Jesus was a Jew from the line of David.

I refuse to accept the guilt that religion has pushed for millenia.

-Who created us? God
-Who made us fallible? God
-Who must have know that given free will and infinite possibilities sooner of later we would choose wrongly? God
-My great, great, great, great etc. grandparents, Adam and Eve sinned/chose to know seperation from God.
-Why should I feel guilty for that any more than I should feel guilty for people 200 years ago who owned slaves.
-I do my best. When I make mistakes I I accept responsibility and do my best to rectify them.
-I refuse to live in a guilt filled reality.

So all the above, the real answer to that question is 'God killed Jesus' because it was all part of his plan to show us the consequences of seperation from him. I refuse to feel guilt for that.

All religion is evil and best avoided. Seek Wisdom.

 

[Maggot]

Great question, and one that Candace Owens and Tucker just went over in a recent podcast. I think a good frame of reference is that the focus here is not actually on Israel, but rather the GOD of Israel. Is He faithful? Does He forgive? Even when His Son is crucified by people that teach His Law?

The answer is "yes", clearly. Ezekiel 36 talks about a time when Israel will be reborn and brought back into its land (a second time, actually). This has never happened before, nor did it happen to a wonderful people that kept His statues perfectly. Rather, this tiny people group would not only be brought back but blessed so much so that the world would hate them for it! No matter their deviations, God is showing HIS character to forgive because the Covenant relationship in Genesis 12 is with Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Ezekiel 36 says that the people will come back and this will show that God is faithful.

If He can forgive and keep His promises of the Genesis 12 Covenant with a people that slipped away and were brought back even in their unbelief, He can forgive anyone. Even me.

So yes, Israel today is the Israel of Genesis 12. In fact, their unbelief proves Ezekiel 36 to be about today's nation.

THats terribly confused.

 

[theLBC]

 

[W54/XM-388]

I refuse to accept the guilt that religion has pushed for millenia.

-Who created us? God
-Who made us fallible? God
-Who must have know that given free will and infinite possibilities sooner of later we would choose wrongly? God
-My great, great, great, great etc. grandparents, Adam and Eve sinned/chose to know seperation from God.
-Why should I feel guilty for that any more than I should feel guilty for people 200 years ago who owned slaves.
-I do my best. When I make mistakes I I accept responsibility and do my best to rectify them.
-I refuse to live in a guilt filled reality.

So all the above, the real answer to that question is 'God killed Jesus' because it was all part of his plan to show us the consequences of seperation from him. I refuse to feel guilt for that.

All religion is evil and best avoided. Seek Wisdom.

I'm not sure I understand correctly but it sounds a bit like you have given up on your recent quest to become a righteous Christian?
(Because well Christianity is technically a religion, as is pretty much any codified belief system).

 

[Maggot]

As much as the "Arabs" and "Palestinians" like to talk about wiping the Jews out and killing them all and such.
The FACT of the matter is they can't, they simply don't have the ability to and probably won't ever.
They also only hate Israel slightly more than they hate each other.
There is NO such thing as a "united Arab front".

The State of Israel is here to stay for good, at least until like some WWIII event wipes out most countries in the world.

At the start of the modern state of Israel the "Arabs" tried wiping out the Jews and got face stomped pretty badly.
They tried a few more times and wound up getting more curb stomped and losing more land each time.

The "Refugees" kind of came about partially because the "Arabs" told the local "Palestinians", to get out of the way so they could genocide the Jews and then the "Palestinians" could come back. Those that took up the offer became the "refugees" and those that stayed and assimilated, became the many "Arabs" that live peacefully in Israel and have posts in the government and in the military.

If the USA wasn't interfering and it came to all out war between Israel and the "Arabs", the outcome would be the Arabs getting nuked back into sand.

So sure in the end it might come to simply "let them fight" but the outcome of that fight will be Israel wins "Arabs" are mentioned in history books.

Only because we back them and supply billionsin weapons. Who had to bomb the facillities in Iran.

 

[akmike47]

This sounds like Jewish pilpul. You were purposely misconstruing what is said. I’m completely baffled by the defense of the Zionistic Jews. You know full well the Romans wouldn’t have killed Jesus if it were not for the scholars and scribes of the Jews.

They wouldn’t? They sure killed a bunch of Christian’s multiple times for being a threat to what they had going since they refused to participate in Roman religious practices. It took until 313AD or so to have the persecution of Christians stopped.

Don’t get me started about how the whole purpose of Jesus being sent to earth was to die for our sins, it sort of big part of Christianity and worked out in our favor. It’s not like it was prophesied multiple times in the Old Testament or anything. Judas betrayed Jesus for a little silver, and if he didn’t do that you wouldn’t have the basis of Christianity as we know it. Some people had to be the bad guys to make it all happen.

 

[37L1]

This sounds like Jewish pilpul. You were purposely misconstruing what is said. I’m completely baffled by the defense of the Zionistic Jews. You know full well the Romans wouldn’t have killed Jesus if it were not for the scholars and scribes of the Jews.

And yet they did, and without blame. . .

 

[Maggot]

I'm not sure I understand correctly but it sounds a bit like you have given up on your recent quest to become a righteous Christian?
(Because well Christianity is technically a religion, as is pretty much any codified belief system).

Not at all. I've embraced the core message of Christ and disposed of all the dogmatic trapppings that lead the frightened and confused astray.

When I first came to Christ I tried a variety of different churches, Presbyterian, Baptist, Full Gospel, LDS, and on and on. I could never find one that squared with my understanding of what I learned from the Bible, and what spirit filled reason and logic showed me about what I learned. Finally one day I heard Christ's voice perhaps more clearly that I ever had and he said "Come out of her. You listen to me." Since that day I've only set foot in churches for funerals.

Spare me the "It could have been the devil." please.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Only because we back them and supply billionsin weapons. Who had to bomb the facillities in Iran.

Israel has had working Nuclear weapons for decades and has working missiles and delivery systems.
Israel could have nuked Tehran if they wanted to.

But why do that and expend your stuff when the lap dog of the USA will send a bunch of way more expensive hardware over to do a precision strike on things for you that doesn't involve escalating into Nuclear War?

Essentially there is an unspoken agreement between Israel and the USA that was first made way back in the 6 day war.
Either the USA defends Israel from serious threats beyond their conventional military forces (or gives them enough hardware to do the job), or Israel goes all Nukey on the Arabs which might disrupt the oil supply.

Also well, a total victory and sending Iran back to the time of Mohammed, isn't in the best interests of the MIC of our country and also for the political rulers in Israel either.

I suspect that Israel told Trump, either you bomb xxx in Iran in order to kick the can down the road quite a number of years or we Nuke something.

 

[Maggot]

Israel has had working Nuclear weapons for decades and has working missiles and delivery systems.
Israel could have nuked Tehran if they wanted to.

But why do that and expend your stuff when the lap dog of the USA will send a bunch of way more expensive hardware over to do a precision strike on things for you that doesn't involve escalating into Nuclear War?

Essentially there is an unspoken agreement between Israel and the USA that was first made way back in the 6 day war.
Either the USA defends Israel from serious threats beyond their conventional military forces (or gives them enough hardware to do the job), or Israel goes all Nukey on the Arabs which might disrupt the oil supply.

Also well, a total victory and sending Iran back to the time of Mohammed, isn't in the best interests of the MIC of our country and also for the political rulers in Israel either.

I suspect that Israel told Trump, either you bomb xxx in Iran in order to kick the can down the road quite a number of years or we Nuke something.

We should stay 100% out of their squabble.

Or maybe they told us years back, we have nuc. devices in your cities. do what we say or.....Pure conjecture, but would you put it past them. I wouldnt. They, the Zionist Israeli's are scum at least equal to the Palestinians. They're just more sophisticated in hiding it.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I’m not sure it’s quite that simple, that they just showed up and started killing people, but God only knows what really happened and for ever reason, it was part of His will. Reference the picture below with a 30,000’ view.

I think that Christians often “stand with Israel” because of verses in bible indicating that God will be against those who are against Israel. Gen 12:3. But my question is, who is the real Israel God is speaking of? What the nation of Israel is today, is largely political and not religious and definitely appears to not be seeking God, so are they the Israel or peoples that are referenced in the Covenant? Hard to determine, so most default to backing them.

Based on my experience with my wife’s ex who is “Jewish”, and I mean that in a cultural way only as he’s not religious at all, his ability , and his families ability, to act in the most confounding and unproductive of ways I’ve never seen any other people group act, other than Muslims, will leave you absolutely speechless and erase the age old question of why they have been persecuted so heavily over history. Much of it, from what I can see, could simply be characterized as them suffering the consequences of their behavior, which is all too often stunningly bad. They certainly do not adhere to the tenets of their own scripture and don’t appear to even be trying to.

It’s all a big mess that will not ever get better, over all, until after the return of Christ.

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The Israel that God is talking about, are those who believed in the coming of Jesus, the Israel that Christians now defend is no longer God’s chosen people. It is a lie. God’s chosen people are the Jewish people who followed Jesus and his teachings after he showed up. Jesus fulfilled the old law of the Old Testament. Jesus is the new law, God’s chosen people are those who are now considered Christian and follow the new law. Who is Jesus Christ himself.

It is a twisting and misconstruing of the scriptures by those who hate you. The Zionistic Jews are not gods chosen people. They never were. Jesus himself said it to their face. And was crucified for calling them out.

Acts 7:43
Revelation 2:9, 3:9

 

[W54/XM-388]

We should stay 100% out of their squabble.

Or maybe they told us years back, we have nuc. devices in your cities. do what we say or.....Pure conjecture, but would you put it past them. I wouldnt. They, the Zionist Israeli's are scum at least equal to the Palestinians. They're just more sophisticated in hiding it.

Credible stories say that Israel was ready to use / test their first crude nuclear bomb against the oncoming Egyptian forces back in the day if the USA didn't send enough conventional weapons to win.

Who knows the truth but some folks who claim to have been there claim it was a plan ready to be put into action had the tide of war not changed.

 

[Maggot]

The Israel that God is talking about, are those who believed in the coming of Jesus, the Israel that Christians now defend is no longer God’s chosen people. It is a lie. God’s chosen people are the Jewish people who followed Jesus and his teachings after he showed up. Jesus fulfilled the old law of the Old Testament. Jesus is the new law, God’s chosen people are those who are now considered Christian and follow the new law. Who is Jesus Christ himself.

It is a twisting and misconstruing of the scriptures by those who hate you. The Zionistic Jews are not gods chosen people. They never were. Jesus himself said it to their face. And was crucified for calling them out.

Acts 7:43
Revelation 2:9, 3:9


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[Maggot]

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To expand on this and Bender's post, the Jew's who financially ruled Europe and founded the current Israel, were not the same people as the Mediterranean Jews who live in Jesus time and were expelled. They were northern European/ Russian conversions. Gold merchant, banker, opportunists who took advantage of the situation to found their own non religious state.

 

[MO Fugga]

Getting kinda weird when NPR is airing a defense of Israel:

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/29/nx-s1-5478643/war-scholar-discusses-why-he-does-not-think-there-is-a-genocide-in-gaza

They'll tell you they suck horse cock if it means getting funding.

 

[MO Fugga]

As much as the "Arabs" and "Palestinians" like to talk about wiping the Jews out and killing them all and such.
The FACT of the matter is they can't, they simply don't have the ability to and probably won't ever.
They also only hate Israel slightly more than they hate each other.
There is NO such thing as a "united Arab front".

The State of Israel is here to stay for good, at least until like some WWIII event wipes out most countries in the world.

At the start of the modern state of Israel the "Arabs" tried wiping out the Jews and got face stomped pretty badly.
They tried a few more times and wound up getting more curb stomped and losing more land each time.

The "Refugees" kind of came about partially because the "Arabs" told the local "Palestinians", to get out of the way so they could genocide the Jews and then the "Palestinians" could come back. Those that took up the offer became the "refugees" and those that stayed and assimilated, became the many "Arabs" that live peacefully in Israel and have posts in the government and in the military.

If the USA wasn't interfering and it came to all out war between Israel and the "Arabs", the outcome would be the Arabs getting nuked back into sand.

So sure in the end it might come to simply "let them fight" but the outcome of that fight will be Israel wins "Arabs" are mentioned in history books.

This video sums up the inability for Arabs to unite. It's been tried numerous times.

 

[akmike47]

I refuse to accept the guilt that religion has pushed for millenia.

-Who created us? God
-Who made us fallible? God
-Who must have know that given free will and infinite possibilities sooner of later we would choose wrongly? God
-My great, great, great, great etc. grandparents, Adam and Eve sinned/chose to know seperation from God.
-Why should I feel guilty for that any more than I should feel guilty for people 200 years ago who owned slaves.
-I do my best. When I make mistakes I I accept responsibility and do my best to rectify them.
-I refuse to live in a guilt filled reality.

So all the above, the real answer to that question is 'God killed Jesus' because it was all part of his plan to show us the consequences of seperation from him. I refuse to feel guilt for that.

All religion is evil and best avoided. Seek Wisdom.

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Once again a retarded take brought to you by maggot. You’re always so confident in your stupidity, but since you’re so smart you can figure out which parts I’m referencing. there’s multiple but one hint is fallibility and free will can’t be used interchangeably as it’s 2 different but related things.

I love when people try to say something is stupid/wrong but fail to grasp the basics.

 

[theLBC]

all religion is not evil (and i am not religious).

all religions are flawed, because all men are flawed.

 

[Maggot]

Once again a retarded take brought to you by maggot. You’re always so confident in your stupidity since you’re so smart you can figure out which parts I’m referencing, there’s multiple but one hint is fallibility and free will can’t be used interchangeably it’s 2 different but related things.

Ill just say youre weak minded and let it go at that.

BTW, genius, Maggot,when used as a proper noun, gets capitalized.

 

[Maggot]

all religion is not evil (and i am not religious).

all religions are flawed, because all men are flawed.

Can we agree that anything that seperates you from God could be called 'evil'.

If so, then when speaking of absolute Truth/God, presenting a flawed view, makes them, religions, evil by default. Some through inorance, some intentionally,.

 

[akmike47]

Ill just say youre weak minded and let it go at that.

BTW, genius, Maggot,when used as a proper noun, gets capitalized.

Neat, a weak non-argument.

Not capitalizing a name shows a lack of respect, it’s intentional. You’d know that if you were as smart as you imagine you are.

 

[Maggot]

Neat, a weak non-argument.

Not capitalizing a name shows a lack of respect, it’s intentional. You’d know that if you were as smart as you imagine you are.

I knew what you were doing, it was just a good way to bait you for a laugh.

 

[akmike47]

I knew what you were doing, it was just a good way to bait you for a laugh.

You “bait” me into calling you stupid, what a win. You suck at this.

I really don’t need to be pushed to call you stupid.

 

[Maggot]

Neat, a weak non-argument.

Not capitalizing a name shows a lack of respect, it’s intentional. You’d know that if you were as smart as you imagine you are.

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Do you really think that I care even a little about what a punk internet commando thinks of me? Really?

I have a nice bridge I can let you have at a discount.

Youre a joke to laugh at, nothing more.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[akmike47]

Do you really think that I care even a little about what a punk internet commando thinks of me? Really?

I have a nice bridge I can let you have at a discount.

Youre a joke to laugh at, nothing more.

People dont call you stupid because you care, it’s because you’re in fact stupid. Your feelings about it don’t factor in.

Yes I’m the joke, better go brush up on all the posts about yourself on this forum. I used to feel bad for you but the longer I’ve been here the more I understood why people don’t like you.

 

[akmike47]

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[Maggot]

People dont call you stupid because you care, it’s because you’re in fact stupid. Your feelings about it don’t factor in.

Yes I’m the joke, better go brush up on all the posts about yourself on this forum. I used to feel bad for you but the longer I’ve been here the more I understood why people don’t like you.

Whats that saying, "Never argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down and then beat you with experience." Youre clearly the idiot, and this clearly means a lot more to you than to me. It means so little to me I'll just put you on ignore and know I have free space in your head thinking how you can get back at me. Whatever your foolishness, I wont see it.

 

[akmike47]

Whats that saying, "Never argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down and then beat you with experience." Youre clearly the idiot, and this clearly means a lot more to you than to me. It means so little to me I'll just put you on ignore and know I have free space in your head thinking how you can get back at me. Whatever your foolishness, I wont see it.

What shall I ever do? The stupid person called me dumb and put me on ignore!

You don’t care so much you take action to hide my response. That’s not winning it’s being a bitch lol

 

[GreenGO Juan]

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[GreenGO Juan]

Whats that saying, "Never argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down and then beat you with experience." Youre clearly the idiot, and this clearly means a lot more to you than to me. It means so little to me I'll just put you on ignore and know I have free space in your head thinking how you can get back at me. Whatever your foolishness, I wont see it.

please don't rage quit. this was just getting fun to read.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I'm surprised, we haven't yet devolved into homoerotic statements about the counterparty.

 

[akmike47]

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[akmike47]

I'm surprised, we haven't yet devolved into homoerotic statements about the counterparty.

as you wish…

-maggot at some point probably

 

[nagantguy]

Israel pulled the last Jew out of the part of Israel known as Gaza in '05 or '06. Israel provided power and clean drinking water to Gaza despite the squatters always voting for the Hamas terrorists. It's time for the gazans to be pushed out of Israel because they're not capable of living peacefully next to Jews.

One part ya got wrong g - Israel and the west put money and support behind Hamas to get ride of the fatah .


And not directed at you but I love the part where ol Bennie says they are done living next to these murderers and dogs ; so the west will have to take them as refugees. Sounds great ol pal I’ll take a dozen- he’ll 13 a baker’s dozen

 

[akmike47]

The Israel that God is talking about, are those who believed in the coming of Jesus, the Israel that Christians now defend is no longer God’s chosen people. It is a lie. God’s chosen people are the Jewish people who followed Jesus and his teachings after he showed up. Jesus fulfilled the old law of the Old Testament. Jesus is the new law, God’s chosen people are those who are now considered Christian and follow the new law. Who is Jesus Christ himself.

It is a twisting and misconstruing of the scriptures by those who hate you. The Zionistic Jews are not gods chosen people. They never were. Jesus himself said it to their face. And was crucified for calling them out.

Acts 7:43
Revelation 2:9, 3:9


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I have no issues with you personally I’ve just noticed you take the Bible out of context a lot to fit a narrative. That’s how people in Appalachia started churches with rattle snakes

2:9 is acknowledging the church of Smyrnas suffering at the hands of people falsely claiming to be Jewish. You post it to say “Jews are evil” pretty much. 3:9 is the same thing to the church in Philadelphia.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I have no issues with you personally I’ve just noticed you take the Bible out of context a lot to fit a narrative.

2:9 is acknowledging the church of Smyrnas suffering at the hands of people falsely claiming to be Jewish. You post it to say “Jews are evil”. 3:9 is the same thing to the church in Philadelphia.

Yes, but no. It’s one and the same.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I understand if you are vehemently against Israel, but the notion that someone else killed our Savior is a misdirection of prophecy, Scripture, and even the words of Jesus Himself. Isaiah, Daniel, Revelation and many other prophecies speak of a Lamb that will be slain even before "the foundation of the world" in order to forgive the sin of all mankind. This intended sacrifice is not a thwarting of God's plan, but rather the fulfillment of it.

So, it can be truly said that neither the Jews nor the Romans killed Jesus. I did. MY sin. And the same could be said of every man and woman since Adam.

So, the whole point of being a Christian is forgiveness despite being treated unfairly; to forgive and even bless those who are our enemies, as Christ did when we were His enemy.

That’s a weird take but ok.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

They wouldn’t? They sure killed a bunch of Christian’s multiple times for being a threat to what they had going since they refused to participate in Roman religious practices. It took until 313AD or so to have the persecution of Christians stopped.

Don’t get me started about how the whole purpose of Jesus being sent to earth was to die for our sins, it sort of big part of Christianity and worked out in our favor. It’s not like it was prophesied multiple times in the Old Testament or anything. Judas betrayed Jesus for a little silver, and if he didn’t do that you wouldn’t have the basis of Christianity as we know it. Some people had to be the bad guys to make it all happen.

Nobody had to be the bad guy. It’s just what happened.

Yes it was prophetic but it didn’t require betrayal. Judas had free will, Jesus knew what was going to happen.

 

[Ronin22]

I saw a couple buildings still kinda erect. Like my hard on for seeing Gaza blown to fuck.

 

[akmike47]

I understand if you are vehemently against Israel, but the notion that someone else killed our Savior is a misdirection of prophecy, Scripture, and even the words of Jesus Himself. Isaiah, Daniel, Revelation and many other prophecies speak of a Lamb that will be slain even before "the foundation of the world" in order to forgive the sin of all mankind. This intended sacrifice is not a thwarting of God's plan, but rather the fulfillment of it.

So, it can be truly said that neither the Jews nor the Romans killed Jesus. I did. MY sin. And the same could be said of every man and woman since Adam.

So, the whole point of being a Christian is forgiveness despite being treated unfairly; to forgive and even bless those who are our enemies, as Christ did when we were His enemy.

You are about as responsible for killing Jesus as person who is saved by someone else jumping in front of a bullet for them. He volunteered to die for you so you can live.

 

[akmike47]

Nobody had to be the bad guy. It’s just what happened.

Yes it was prophetic but it didn’t require betrayal. Judas had free will, Jesus knew what was going to happen.

I feel like you’re missing out on the lessons all the extra stuff teaches. It’s almost as though the whole situation was carefully crafted by a higher power for a reason…

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Even the Arab League is tired of Hamas’s shit.

In 1st, entire Arab League condemns Oct. 7, urges Hamas to disarm, at 2-state confab

Declaration, also signed by EU and over a dozen countries, urges terror group to give up Gaza rule, free hostages; calls on Israel to end war, agree to Palestinian state, 'right of return'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I feel like you’re missing out on the lessons all the extra stuff teaches. It’s almost as though the whole situation was carefully crafted by a higher power for a reason…

Yes it was, but God doesn’t limit free will. What happened was made by choices that Jesus Christ knew was going to happen. Jesus didn’t make the betrayal happen. That would’ve restricted free will and made a robot out of Judas. That’s not how things work. That does not negate Jesus fulfilling the old law. Jesus is the new law. Which requires our agency to choose to follow him. Our Free Will is the only thing we have that we can give back to our Heavenly Father.

 

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I find it very interesting that the same news sources that brought you Russia Collusion, Covid Panic, Hunter's Lap Top as disinformation, Joe Biden is sharp as a tack, etc. are the same ones pushing war crimes and starving Pali Tango children. Sometimes you need to look at who your bedfellows are to decide what is and isn't true. In this case it is literally 80% of the left, and a fringe of the right who want to believe every contrived Hamas story that the left wing media so dutifully reports verbatim.

That is no different than the views Jehovah's Witness, or Davidians as main stream Christian thought and theology. According to some Hasidic Sects the Jews are still in diaspora, as God promised, and they have yet to reestablish Jerusalem. I am pretty sure these only exist in New York, as the Hasidic sects IN Israel would beg to differ. In no way do those wierdos views reflect anything but a shunned minority.