It's not Halloween but "ghosts" are still scary.

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California high school shooter used untraceable 'ghost gun,' sheriff says

The 16-year-old boy who shot five classmates on Nov. 14 before turning the weapon on himself at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, Calif. used an unregistered, untraceable “ghost gun” assembled by hand from parts, according to Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva.
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I think it's interesting that in the last couple of years we've seen highly publicized shootings involving bump stocks (Vegas), ar pistols (Dayton), suppressors (Virginia Beach), and now "ghost guns". Doesn't seem to bode well for the argument for effective gun laws.
That being said my favorite quote of the article is, "In Southern California, one-third of all firearms seized are ghost guns." Umm, source please?
 
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Yep... There is no agenda...
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One police officer said it was “ridiculously easy” to build a ghost gun after his agency experimented in building their own Glock-replica handgun from parts they ordered online in an experiment.
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And during the same time as you were conducting your cute virtue signaling "experiment", how many home invasions, rapes, and murders took place in the area that you were supposed to serve???

Tell you what... If this was the 1980's and disarmament of the civilian population "for the children" had just been introduced as a novel idea, kind of like "man made climate change", more people might believe you.

Unfortunately, this is 2019, and most people are starting to get tired of hearing the same rhetoric about us giving up OUR rights because some incel freak somewhere finally loses it.

We are not going to be disarmed, or give up our rights as productive and respectable citizens to be armed. You can always try, though.
 
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308220 said:
As we can all see, this is just an agenda aimed at banning the purchase of gun parts.

When they want something banned, they cook up a story that some "lonewolf" used it.
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^^^^. This

Though note it says Unregistered... not home made. And assembled from parts... really? On a 1911?

As far as the grabbistas are concerned, A Ghost Gun is also one that could have been in his family since grandpappy had it on Iwo Jima. It simply means untraceable because it never went through an FFL since 1968.

The move is towards universal registration as much as parts restrictions. Remember, your average Schlub is not buying an 80 percent receiver and finishing it. That is a “real” ghost gun as it has no trace anywhere.

Assembled from parts means someone still bought a frame. And with a 1911.... 80 percent frames require some real skill. So, frankly, does parts assembly!

the left push for Universal background checks MUST require a database of serial numbers and owners. Otherwise it doesn’t work!!!! Because no one knows who has why so you can’t check who bought or sold what.
Once they are all registered, of course all crime will stop and unicorns will come back and we’ll all be safe. But if not... the guns and owners will be wary to round up.

Ghost Gun is a new pejorative term and we probably ALL have them. Even for those who never built a thing.

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And I did some research on the 80 percent world and... well... it has come a long way.

jigs, polymer frames, some pretty interesting options.

A lot easier to do, frankly, than 3D printing or welding tube guns.

then again... we are free in America to make things! All kinds of things. Are they going to ban machine tools the same way the communists banned typewriters, copiers and printing presses?

probably that’s in their manifesto. The Nazis sure did!

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In England, in the 90s, there were tools that you could not buy without appropriate trade license. Not talking about something awesome, this was England, basic shit. What is inconceivable today will be reversed by the fuckwhits of tomorrow.
 
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If you believe their narrative, it proves that their laws are useless in preventing crime.
This kid could not go get a professionally manufactured gun easier than he could get a library book, so he Just found another way to hurt people.

The 80% thing is not all that easy and it’s definitely not cheaper when you consider tools.
 
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IF you didn't care much about the aesthetics and were only concerned in function, you could make an 80% Glock 17 into a full function gun in about an hour, maybe 2 at most. Well a couple hours and $500, and a couple tools from home depot.

I was wondering when the deep state was going to start forcing their murder robots to start using homemade guns to get the headlines out there and scare the sheep even more.

It's also amazing to me how many anti-gunners believe that it is already illegal to make your own gun :D
and how many believe that it takes specialized equipment and specialized training to make your own gun :D
I don't consider online videos specialized training.


but not a new problem, people have been making guns in the US since forever, the homemade guns have just gotten better and look less like homemade guns. You want to see some impressive shit, google up homemade guns found in Australia.

But sadly the evil overlords could pass a law making possession of ghost guns illegal, then we would be back at the question to comply or not....
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Ghost Gun is a new pejorative term and we probably ALL have them. Even for those who never built a thing.
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You best have at least some, so when they do the round up of all guns they can easily grab paperwork on you'll at least have something left.
The day is coming when they will send "The Kings Men" over to your FFLs to grab the paperwork for "inspection" and simply scan it all in and start their own database without much fanfare.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
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Well there's a Ghost gun for ya!
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Yep,... just wait until Americans get into the home made Boom making business,... as that is when the true block of instruction on how to get more bang for your buck will begain,... You don't need a lathe, Mill, an welder legislation coming soon,...
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
that is when the true block of instruction on how to get more bang for your buck will begain,... You don't need a lathe, Mill, an welder legislation coming soon,...
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The local communists will also probably follow the Chinese Communist plan and start demanding government backdoors and spyware in all your phone and computer OSes etc also. Fully in your face about it and not just doing it in the background.
 
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Well I know people that name their cars. I personally name my guns all two of them. There's Casper and boo and Greta(she'sa bitch sometimes) and Bob .257 he's old school and Mike has two brothers. They all have different personalities.
 
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Has there been any credible report of which kind of gun was used? I see 1911 mentioned here. But, does anyone have any references? Links? Thanks.
 
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The FACT that they make up bullshit to further their agenda will surprise nobody ever.
They want full registration of every single firearm and part that goes into them, as well as serialized and documented brass and projectiles.... all which they think will help their confiscation efforts.
 
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WaltHer said:
Haven't seen any yet. That's what seems suspicious. Especially the part about 1/3 of all CA gun confiscations being "ghosts." It's almost hard to believe.
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Figured as much. The only "hint" of it being a 1911 is that he only had the seven rounds available.

But, yeah... an "80%" 1911??? Doubtful.
 
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WaltHer said:
Haven't seen any yet. That's what seems suspicious. Especially the part about 1/3 of all CA gun confiscations being "ghosts." It's almost hard to believe.
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Doesn’t CA already have mandatory gun registration? In that case I can see how it would be partly “true” that 1/3rd are “Ghosts” in the sense that they aren’t registered. I can totally see how they would twist that statistic to fit their narrative and make it seem like every other person is manufacturing their own guns. But I don’t really know CA’s laws, cause I have zero plans of going there EVER!
 
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WaltHer said:
Haven't seen any yet. That's what seems suspicious. Especially the part about 1/3 of all CA gun confiscations being "ghosts." It's almost hard to believe.
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Just found this:

Villanueva told media outlets that Nathaniel Berhow’s .45 caliber, 1911-model replica semi-automatic pistol was assembled from gun parts and did not have a serial number.
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www.wkrn.com

Teen used ‘ghost gun’ in California high school shooting

Villanueva told media outlets that Nathaniel Berhow’s .45 caliber, 1911-model replica semi-automatic pistol was assembled from gun parts and did not have a serial number.
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FWIW.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
You best have at least some, so when they do the round up of all guns they can easily grab paperwork on you'll at least have something left.
The day is coming when they will send "The Kings Men" over to your FFLs to grab the paperwork for "inspection" and simply scan it all in and start their own database without much fanfare.
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In many states private sales are not transfered via a FFL but...

IMO they will not need to do anything as we the people will eventually take the rights away from ourselves by vote.

The younger generations dwindling support of freedom/country will continue due to parental indifference, constant media bombardment and publically funded liberal indoctrination.

In parallel mass migration supplements declining birthrates.

Over time, this is how 2A will eventually fall. Its written in the numbers.
 
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Obviously this is very tragic...

But what does not having a serial number (if even true) have to do with any of this? Motives, ADD meds, past psychological issues? Still working on that....bet we hear about that, right?

Oh by the way, there were more evil unregistered firearms and his father was a evil avid hunter.

Distract, distract, distract.
 
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That wkrn.com article has some interesting comments in it

Berhow’s father was an avid hunter who died two years ago. He had six registered guns, but officials found several other unregistered firearms in the family home after the shooting and are working to determine their history.
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Its POSSIBLE that a kid made a 1911 from parts, but not likely, more likely the father had made it and it was laying around


The sheriff said Berhow’s motive remains a mystery, even after investigators searched his home and interviewed 45 people. Berhow’s mother had no idea of her son’s plans, Villanueva said.

Authorities said Berhow had shown no signs of violence and didn’t appear to be linked to any ideology or terrorist group. He ran cross country, was a Boy Scout and had a girlfriend.
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This is unusual in the school shooter demographic, usually there are signs that family/friends ignore (or 32 police visits are ignored)
This kid showed no signs
Makes me think the kids he killed angered him for some reason and this is how he decided to get even

There are risks to living in a free society, people can go nuts without warning
 
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kenny1773 said:
That wkrn.com article has some interesting comments in it



Its POSSIBLE that a kid made a 1911 from parts, but not likely, more likely the father had made it and it was laying around




This is unusual in the school shooter demographic, usually there are signs that family/friends ignore (or 32 police visits are ignored)
This kid showed no signs
Makes me think the kids he killed angered him for some reason and this is how he decided to get even

There are risks to living in a free society, people can go nuts without warning
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There are risks to living in a free society, people can go nuts without warning
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If it boils down to that, I'd rather be shot dead by some basement dweller with Cheeto dust all around his mouth than be herded onto a railcar by government forces because I didn't turn in a dreaded "assault firearm". If I am so inattentive of my surroundings that some mofo with chronic blue balls is able to ventilate me, I guess I earned that Darwin... The latter though, that is just a mortal insult.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
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There are risks to living in a free society, people can go nuts without warning
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If it boils down to that, I'd rather be shot dead by some basement dweller with Cheeto dust all around his mouth than be herded onto a railcar by government forces because I didn't turn in a dreaded "assault firearm". If I am so inattentive of my surroundings that some mofo with chronic blue balls is able to ventilate me, I guess I earned that Darwin... The latter though, that is just a mortal insult.
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That may be the most eloquent definition of Freedom I've ever read. :geek:

Stealing!
 
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The article seems to lay the foundation that the victims would be less dead if the weapon had a serial number. If only the gun had a serial number, was logged in some database then none of this would have ever happened!

Media, instead of doing actual investigative reporting...guess we will need to wait for LE to tell us what the motive really was...right? Worked well for Vegas.

I doubt this kid just "snapped". Not buying it at all. Few teenagers are capable of hiding that level of emotion and would seek an outlet of some kind...
 
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2aBaCa said:
Shipped to your door. All you need is the right tools available at your local Home depot and basic know how to use them. Same goes for AR's.

https://www.uspatriotarmory.com/store/Complete-1911-Kits-c32393301
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Thanks. I knew about ARs and Glocks etc, which readily lend themselves to this kind of “unskilled” construction, but was unaware anyone was doing 1911 kits. Heck, most MANUFACTURERS can’t get the 1911 right. Nothing beats a good 1911, but they do take some know-how to build/tune/run well. Doesn’t seem like a good choice for a DIY project.
 
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vh20 said:
Thanks. I knew about ARs and Glocks etc, which readily lend themselves to this kind of “unskilled” construction, but was unaware anyone was doing 1911 kits. Heck, most MANUFACTURERS can’t get the 1911 right. Nothing beats a good 1911, but they do take some know-how to build/tune/run well. Doesn’t seem like a good choice for a DIY project.
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For someone who has the time AND the effort to dedicate themselves to it, a 1911 kit is the perfect thing to put together and be proud of. Turning a jumble of miscellaneous parts into a piece of precision art along with engraving/checkering/etching? Oh boy, don't get me started now.

AR's and Glocks can be put together as utility guns. 1911's are to be crafted with soul...
 
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The article seems to lay the foundation that the victims would be less dead if the weapon had a serial number. If only the gun had a serial number, was logged in some database then none of this would have ever happened!

Media, instead of doing actual investigative reporting...guess we will need to wait for LE to tell us what the motive really was...right? Worked well for Vegas.

I doubt this kid just "snapped". Not buying it at all. Few teenagers are capable of hiding that level of emotion and would seek an outlet of some kind...
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I doubt this kid just "snapped". Not buying it at all. Few teenagers are capable of hiding that level of emotion and would seek an outlet of some kind...
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Japan has probably the highest concentration of "involuntary celibates" in the world, AKA hikikkomori. Over 600,000 to 2 million sexually frustrated and isolated young men with poor social skills in comparison to their total population. The vast majority of them are not stabbing, burning, or running over people with vehicles.

However, American and Canadian incels often gather on the lonely corners of the Web, notorious places where members routinely egg each other on to homicidal violence. Those sites became known to the rest of the world after the Toronto van attack that killed 10 people a few years ago. There is some REAL sick shit being spouted on those Dark Web-esque pages and I can see some entitled little soyboy being driven to kill and commit other extreme acts of "vengeance" after immersing himself in those echo chambers to seek self-validation. ISIS recruited a lot of western fighters using the same tactics.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
For someone who has the time AND the effort to dedicate themselves to it, a 1911 kit is the perfect thing to put together and be proud of. Turning a jumble of miscellaneous parts into a piece of precision art along with engraving/checkering/etching? Oh boy, don't get me started now.

AR's and Glocks can be put together as utility guns. 1911's are to be crafted with soul...
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Yeah, but it needs to run RELIABLY or it's just art. (And I don't mean just get through a mag without a stoppage).
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
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I doubt this kid just "snapped". Not buying it at all. Few teenagers are capable of hiding that level of emotion and would seek an outlet of some kind...
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Japan has probably the highest concentration of "involuntary celibates" in the world, AKA hikikkomori. Over 600,000 to 2 million sexually frustrated and isolated young men with poor social skills in comparison to their total population. The vast majority of them are not stabbing, burning, or running over people with vehicles.

However, American and Canadian incels often gather on the lonely corners of the Web, notorious places where members routinely egg each other on to homicidal violence. Those sites became known to the rest of the world after the Toronto van attack that killed 10 people a few years ago. There is some REAL sick shit being spouted on those Dark Web-esque pages and I can see some entitled little soyboy being driven to kill and commit other extreme acts of "vengeance" after immersing himself in those echo chambers to seek self-validation. ISIS recruited a lot of western fighters using the same tactics.
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Right, thats exactly what I am saying. And hence the statement he showed NO signs is BS. Kids his age are pretty savvy with internet use. You can bet he had an OUTLET of some type and possibly contacts with others as well. And agree that oulet could have been some dark corner of the web, sure. Read an early report he even had a girlfriend. Why was that reported?

We simply do not know. And unless it fits even a more politicized agenda motive is likely to not be reported..at least widely.

What I do know is diversion and politicized focus on a non serialized weapon is not helping to get to the root of the issues, yet here we are...
 
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