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    #1
    Hey guys, with the unfortunate end of JAE I wanted to see if there’s an alternative chassis/stock hybrid. I don’t know any off the top of my head.
    Seems like there’s a void in the marketplace for a high end, top quality, stock/chassis hybrid.
    Is there a company or product I’m missing?


    ETA: just wanted to sort of clarify a little what feature set etc I’m looking for if it exists.

    Not a manners with a mini chassis, but something where I can add or remove side rails, nvrs, mlok weights, forward thumb rests, etc on a whim.
     
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    www.cadexdefence.com

    STRIKE NUKE - CADEX DEFENCE CHASSIS

    Strike Nuke micro-chassis system is designed for shooters looking for traditional stock ergonomics while benefitting the advantages of chassis systems.
    www.cadexdefence.com www.cadexdefence.com

    strike-nuke-products.jpg
     
    #10
    there are wood stock makers with the same shape as a jae or something close shame they are only laminate wood . If you owed a jae stock already you could send the stock to a wood worker who could duplicate in nice hard wood .
     
    #11
    Edit.. got a little too excited about Cadex comments this am...


    Covert. . I don't know if there is a direct replacement for the JAE. It was a very well made stock and feature set. Guessing you will have pros and cons with anything you go to. Trade offs I guess.
     
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    #12
    Thanks for the suggestions! In regards to wood stocks, manners, etc I’m more looking for the ability to add rails, nvr, etc whenever I feel like it and not have to drill in the stock permanently.
     
    #14
    jwknutson17 said:
    The JAE is really nice and is well designed. The market just proved it wasn't a good business model and couldn't sustain at the price point and lead times. Stocks like KRG and others found ways to get the price down while still having a great feature set. Just like the Cadex Strike Nuke. Surprised more folks don't use them actually for the features and price point.
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    This is purely speculation/opinion.
     
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    if you want a chassis, just buy a AI or KRG chassis and be done with it
    buying one off hybrid chassis that might go the way of JAE, you might wind up in the same boat
    a company that just vanishes one day
    stick to the big guys and youll always have spares and the ability to have similar chassis for multiple rifles if wanted
     
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    Covertnoob5 said:
    Hey guys, with the unfortunate end of JAE I wanted to see if there’s an alternative chassis/stock hybrid. I don’t know any off the top of my head.
    Seems like there’s a void in the marketplace for a high end, top quality, stock/chassis hybrid.
    Is there a company or product I’m missing?
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    Almost all SENTINEL combat stocks are spec'd out with the IMB. Basically an internal aluminum chassis that is permanently bonded into the composite stock body. First versions were shipping on stocks and complete rifles in January of 2010. Roughly 1,650 in circulation currently with very good track records.

    Manners mini-chassis is a good option as well.

    ./
     
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    jwknutson17 said:
    Not sure why folks bash Cadex. Have you guys owned anything Cadex?? Their stuff is top notch and some of the best products in the business overall. I wouldn't hesitate to run the strike nuke if it's build quality is like all the other Cadex products and Cadex rifles I own and others I have used/shot. I prefer Cadex to AI even. Sold both my AXMCs and kept Cadex rifles over them. The Tac and Lite chassis guns are absolutely amazing. Do you guys have any first hand experience with Cadex? What don't you like about Cadex? Or not like about the strike nuke? The looks?? It's priced right. It has a chassis. It's adjustable. Has available accessories. Seems like a good overall stock. Especially for the price.

    The JAE is really nice and is well designed. The market just proved it wasn't a good business model and couldn't sustain at the price point and lead times. Stocks like KRG and others found ways to get the price down while still having a great feature set. Just like the Cadex Strike Nuke. Surprised more folks don't use them actually for the features and price point.


    Covert. . I don't know if there is a direct replacement for the JAE. It was a very well made stock and feature set. Guessing you will have pros and cons with anything you go to. Trade offs I guess.
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    He wasn’t bashing Cadex, just stating fact. The Cadex chassis systems are great and well worth the money in my opinion. However, if you think that the Strike Nuke is the equivalent of a JAE chassis, then you are I’ll informed at the least or an infatuated fan boy. The Strike Nuke doesn’t play in the same class as the JAE in the slightest. It is obvious by your comments that you’ve never held either one, much less owned either.
     
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    lash said:
    He wasn’t bashing Cadex, just stating fact. The Cadex chassis systems are great and well worth the money in my opinion. However, if you think that the Strike Nuke is the equivalent of a JAE chassis, then you are I’ll informed at the least or an infatuated fan boy. The Strike Nuke doesn’t play in the same class as the JAE in the slightest. It is obvious by your comments that you’ve never held either one, much less owned either.
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    Its obviously not a replacement. I was referring to the Cadex comments in general from a few folks in the thread.

    Notice how I mentioned KRG in that same paragraph also... If you read my post I talked about how Cadex in general is quality.. I also mentioned features at a price point for the Nuke. Not comparing it in any way to the JAE. I own plenty of different companies products and fan boy is a laughable comment at best. No I don't have a nuke. Never said I did. I said it offers quality features for the price. And didn't ever recommend it in any way shape or form to the OP.


    If I was going to throw out a recommendation it would be for a manners with mini chassis.
     
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    Are you even reading the same thread that I am?

    First off, the only thing remotely close to Cadex bashing in this thread was a joking reference to whomever named the Cadex Strike Nuke. Secondly, there were only three posts including the name Cadex and non of them attacked the brand, though one guy did indicate that there is no comparison between the Nuke and the JAE stocks. Not being a fan boy, you sure were quick to leap to their defense over an imagined slight.

    I’m not the only one to notice. Thus my response.

    Carry on. ;)
     
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    #23
    lash said:
    Are you even reading the same thread that I am?

    First off, the only thing remotely close to Cadex bashing in this thread was a joking reference to whomever named the Cadex Strike Nuke. Secondly, there were only three posts including the name Cadex and non of them attacked the brand, though one guy did indicate that there is no comparison between the Nuke and the JAE stocks. Not being a fan boy, you sure were quick to leap to their defense over an imagined slight.

    I’m not the only one to notice. Thus my response.

    Carry on. ;)
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    All good. It was early and I get a little to excited sometimes.
     
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    #25
    Nothing could compete with the JAE as far as fit and finish. Our Bravo Chassis bests it as far as features and, in my opinion, ergonomics although it is more aimed at a lower price point than the JAE.
    There was a company making very nice wood stocks with an aluminum backbone at one point but they were geared more toward the safari crowd if I remember.
    Justin
     
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    The new American Rifle Company chassis might be a player.
    It still lists at about a grand less though, and seems quite minimalist.
     
    #27
    Honestly I’d have to say the KRG bravo. Add the adjustable butt plate and enclosed forend for the ability use weights and NV. They make an Arca Rail XL just for the enclosed forend. Biggest difference would be spacer LOP system vs tool-less

    Just because it starts off as a $350 piece doesn’t mean it can’t be a $800 chassis. And definitely not lipstick on a pig if you go that route IMHO.
     
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    #28
    Tokay444 said:
    Until they release their own statement, EVERYTHING is speculative. I'm not sure how that's a hard concept to grasp.
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    Considering they transferred the business addresses to a new po box a few months before closing tells me they were ready, past that who knows.
    I'll back up the bravo suggestions. I love mine, fits my smaller build much better than many. However my cumulative price is getting up there. The way I look at it the bravo is one you make yours vs everything and then some being setup for you.
     
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    #29
    Nothing really directly comparable unfortunately.

    I own two JAE chassis', and I've been left wondering what I would buy for a stock/chassis if I was to build a new rifle today. There is nothing that is as refined as the JAE out there right now, IMO.

    I personally would consider the Foundation stocks, though like other stocks they are not as modular as chassis'. You would have to pump some money into it to put an NV bridge on it, as well as time with a gunsmith willing to work on it. The ARCA/RRS rails available for them look like a complete after thought on the Foundation and out of place. You don't know what you are exactly getting color wise unless you see a picture before you buy, they all come out different. Some of the dark distressed ones look good, the lighter ones look like cheap faux wood. They are supposedly great at dampening harmonics, which is an interesting feature I'd like to try out. Slap an Impact in it and you instantly receive a invitation to the cool kids table in the Facebook groups. A great feature if you need to seek confirmation from strangers online.

    I'm a fan of KRG, and I certainly like the Bravo that I built my wife's rifle on. The fit and finish is not at the level of the JAE, it was never designed to be, and honestly no other chassis options that I know of are. It has great ergos, and you can really dress it up with all the accessories available, which is nice. It does seem to have a lot of random bolts, more so if you start adding accessories, which I would worry about backing out without loctiting. It's a really light chassis, and doesn't balance well if you put a thick long barrel on it. I had to put weighted LOP spacers on the chassis to balance out the wife's 24" heavy Palma - thankfully KRG has recognized this and makes the weighted spacers to balance it out. KRG has great customer service, and is very receptive to customer and market needs - much like JAE.

    We lost a great option with JAE gone, it was a chassis without peers in my opinion, though a price point to match.
     
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    #31
    Massoud said:
    Nothing could compete with the JAE as far as fit and finish. Our Bravo Chassis bests it as far as features and, in my opinion, ergonomics although it is more aimed at a lower price point than the JAE.
    There was a company making very nice wood stocks with an aluminum backbone at one point but they were geared more toward the safari crowd if I remember.
    Justin
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    You may be thinking about: https://www.aigunstocks.com - I had been looking at them a long time ago for a hunting rifle stock, and your comment reminded me of them.
     
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    Tokay444 said:
    Until they release their own statement, EVERYTHING is speculative. I'm not sure how that's a hard concept to grasp.
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    Lol. They closed shop and ghosted on orders and deposits. Laid off their employees and poof, they don’t exist anymore. Please name any other company that did that because they were tired of being on solid financial ground.

    Keep dreaming on a statement.

    I’ve never been to space and seen the earth with my own eyes. But I speculate that it’s round.
     
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    You don’t have to speculate that the earth is round though. It’s a proven well known fact.
    Until JAE releases a statement, or someone with insider intel does, you ARE speculating.
    They just developed an entirely new website, released a Tikka chassis, and had a Savage chassis in the works.
     
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    #34
    Maybe they’re being held hostage by the guys that make the Archangel stock to get more secrets for the deployable bipod.

    Tokay444 said:
    Until JAE releases a statement, or someone with insider intel does, you ARE speculating.
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    Maybe you didn’t see this

    “To our valued customers and fans of J. Allen:

    It is with great sadness that after 16 years of designing and manufacturing one of the highest quality chassis systems in the world, we have recently had to layoff our employees and close our doors.

    We appreciate all of you and wish that it did not have to come to this, but we were unable to find a solution to stay open. Please understand and respect that this is extremely difficult for our family and employees, and wish that we could have kept on going.

    For everyone on our 5 person team, customers were our number 1 priority and it hurts us that it ended this way. At this time, we are unable to give any more info, and if that changes in the future, we will let you know.

    Thank you to all who have believed in our products and loved them as much as we did. This was our life.

    Sincerely,

    Lisa, Jeff, and J. Allen Team

    July 15, 2019”
     
    #36
    Tokay444 said:
    I did, but it doesn’t give the why. Everyone is speculating the why.
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    Hi,

    So do you think the reason was not given on purpose or accident?
    Do you think not giving a reason is why people are speculating, when they could have easily given a reason and put everything to bed before it even started?
    Do you think they care if people are speculating? And if so, then why alloy them to speculate by proxy of not giving any reason of closing?

    Sincerely,
    Theis
     
    #37
    ^^^i think your confused @THEIS
    thats what the firearms industry does
    pimp out products and dont deliver at all
    take pre order money (which is just a cashflow marketing trick) and dont deliver nearly to the time frame promised
    go out of business and not tell anybody why, they come back and get treated like superman 2.0
     
    #38
    Op, I’m sorry your thread have degraded to typical Internet forum back and forth that couldn’t be further from your original question. I’m sorry I played a part in it.
     
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    Tokay444 said:
    I did, but it doesn’t give the why. Everyone is speculating the why.
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    It did
    “we have recently had to layoff our employees and close our doors.”

    “But we were unable to find a solution to stay open”

    This sounds like to me from any business that I’ve seen close in my years of existence....we couldn’t afford it anymore.

    If you’re expecting an intricate explanation of their financial situation or to see their bank statements, I think this is more of saving face for them.

    When people go bankrupt or suffer financially hardship, they usually don’t shout it from the top of buildings.
     
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    Tokay444 said:
    They just developed an entirely new website, released a Tikka chassis, and had a Savage chassis in the works.
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    And the fact they thought adding a Savage inlet was a good idea always baffled me. That couldn't have been a good use of resources for a business as small as JAE, especially if they already had a history of backlogs and extended wait times.
     
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    Covertnoob5 said:
    Hey guys, with the unfortunate end of JAE I wanted to see if there’s an alternative chassis/stock hybrid. I don’t know any off the top of my head.
    Seems like there’s a void in the marketplace for a high end, top quality, stock/chassis hybrid.
    Is there a company or product I’m missing?


    ETA: just wanted to sort of clarify a little what feature set etc I’m looking for if it exists.

    Not a manners with a mini chassis, but something where I can add or remove side rails, nvrs, mlok weights, forward thumb rests, etc on a whim.
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    There truly is no equal
     
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    #43
    Some of those options look interesting. Mostly that riflesrefined.
    I do have a bravo inbound, so I’m gonna try that with the enclosed forend. I know it’s not meant to compete with the Jae but it’s got a good amount of features.
     
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