Re: Just when I thought I had my mind made up!
Hey there young Marine
SemperFi Perhaps there is a "little" going on here,Okay?
From your first post, did you go over to the Reserve community after being over there. I take it from "playing in the snow" that maybe you are, really not material here just an inference gained. My younger brother was an GMGS and armorer for a Reserve Seabee battalion and used to go to Minnesota to "play in the snow", met lots of Marines there.
Point is this, you want to get into Long Range shooting, whatever that is and however it is defined, well and good. You want a good weapon's system [read here as rifle/scopes sights etc.,] that is understandable. You don't drive 16 pennies with upholsterers tackhammers. You can spend some money and I mean a "lot of money" really quickly. If that is what you want to do you really can do that. I would suggest to come at a lower stage than something really expensive. Get to know it backwards and forwards; know it's strong p[oints and it's weak points and do not try to go outside the performance envelope until you understand everything thoroughly. Some folks get into this, drop a bucket of money only to have a really beautiful well made 700, Tikka or whatever windup[ sitting in the closet dusting up and the bore pitting, what a sad waste, all for a bit of ego gratification. You may find out that this "is not" for you and that's good and if perchance it is did you ever hear of some guy who spoentan absolute mountain of money, found out he didn't like it took his super whammy slam back to the gunshop or better yet tried to sell it on line? and get his original ;principal back? Generally speaking the answer is a resounding "No", and there it sits in the close going to Hell. The mrket for this kind of weapon is a "niche market" at best. Got news for ya' the average consumer gun buyer is not a niche buyer and he's probably considering himself a "hardholder" if he gets to his R/GC once a year to site in for deer season. Chances are he doesn't put more than a dozen rounds through it a year at all. I know what I'm talking about here, am RSO at our R/GC and the number of guys I have to turn away because weapons come in fouled, dirty, "broke" yeah broken or come to the line loaded. I've seen it all, and these guys think they are "Riflemen". Now, just what does tht have to do with you? If you want to shoot L/R you have to put time into; that is far more valuable than money, than the moneyyou will spend on a weapon. I listen to this site and I hear everything from the sublime to trash. hiow many rounds do yuou want to put down range to learn this discipline? I heard one contributor say he oput out 8,000 rounds year? I think that was what I read. Well I'm not saying anything negative here as I will not quetion a man's veracity; that is extremely rude. But I can sure tell you this from '89 through '91 when I was in my "prime" and shooting on the USN National Team, wife was pissed at me as I was gone forever, I shot on average 200 rounds a week in practice either at Q'town, Fairfax, or Leujeune [?sp?] and sometimes more. That is the equivalent of four National Match 500 point Courses of fire each and every week. You've been on the range; a 500 point match can take just about all day; my whole week was gone.during competition season and tht was before I got on a MATS to go to Pedleton. Not crying here, enjoyed every minute of it and would do it all over again if I were younger. But, what Iam saying here is tht this is no "Norm Abrams New Yankee Workshop...awright out there riflemen let's all be snipers in 30 minutes..." This is going to take time; it "is not" going to be easy I don't give two shits or a damn what anybody says to youand you will have self doubts as surely as the sun rises in the morning. I suggest Savage here, but that's mine; it's my kid and my kids ain't ugly.
Others want to disagree that's fine just don't tell me kids are ugly that's when ya'get the back of my hand smartly laid on. I'm a "hard corps" Chief I "might not" be right but I am never wrong. That's hard for syphilians [ooops spelling] to understand. But, I think you understand you're a Marine. Closing out I think any website that lables you/me or anybody else as "Private First Class" as though there were some Parris Island or Great Lakes NTC pecking order has gotten something fundamentally wrong with it; I know I'm not a PFC I'm the wrong Sailor to play that with. You're not a "noob" you've been through it just like my nephew, 3rd Marines two tours. I put up with it because there is far far too much to learn from the "tech side" of this website, no opining, no silly arsed gotcha'games no time for it: just facts, stats, and tables the "come ups" for 190SMK .308 are really great. The "tech side" is a bloody gold mine. Now, have to go "Pipe Bonnie Dundee", a proper fighting song.
all the best
Anchor's Away/SemperFi
Chief Bull
Hey there young Marine
SemperFi Perhaps there is a "little" going on here,Okay?
From your first post, did you go over to the Reserve community after being over there. I take it from "playing in the snow" that maybe you are, really not material here just an inference gained. My younger brother was an GMGS and armorer for a Reserve Seabee battalion and used to go to Minnesota to "play in the snow", met lots of Marines there.
Point is this, you want to get into Long Range shooting, whatever that is and however it is defined, well and good. You want a good weapon's system [read here as rifle/scopes sights etc.,] that is understandable. You don't drive 16 pennies with upholsterers tackhammers. You can spend some money and I mean a "lot of money" really quickly. If that is what you want to do you really can do that. I would suggest to come at a lower stage than something really expensive. Get to know it backwards and forwards; know it's strong p[oints and it's weak points and do not try to go outside the performance envelope until you understand everything thoroughly. Some folks get into this, drop a bucket of money only to have a really beautiful well made 700, Tikka or whatever windup[ sitting in the closet dusting up and the bore pitting, what a sad waste, all for a bit of ego gratification. You may find out that this "is not" for you and that's good and if perchance it is did you ever hear of some guy who spoentan absolute mountain of money, found out he didn't like it took his super whammy slam back to the gunshop or better yet tried to sell it on line? and get his original ;principal back? Generally speaking the answer is a resounding "No", and there it sits in the close going to Hell. The mrket for this kind of weapon is a "niche market" at best. Got news for ya' the average consumer gun buyer is not a niche buyer and he's probably considering himself a "hardholder" if he gets to his R/GC once a year to site in for deer season. Chances are he doesn't put more than a dozen rounds through it a year at all. I know what I'm talking about here, am RSO at our R/GC and the number of guys I have to turn away because weapons come in fouled, dirty, "broke" yeah broken or come to the line loaded. I've seen it all, and these guys think they are "Riflemen". Now, just what does tht have to do with you? If you want to shoot L/R you have to put time into; that is far more valuable than money, than the moneyyou will spend on a weapon. I listen to this site and I hear everything from the sublime to trash. hiow many rounds do yuou want to put down range to learn this discipline? I heard one contributor say he oput out 8,000 rounds year? I think that was what I read. Well I'm not saying anything negative here as I will not quetion a man's veracity; that is extremely rude. But I can sure tell you this from '89 through '91 when I was in my "prime" and shooting on the USN National Team, wife was pissed at me as I was gone forever, I shot on average 200 rounds a week in practice either at Q'town, Fairfax, or Leujeune [?sp?] and sometimes more. That is the equivalent of four National Match 500 point Courses of fire each and every week. You've been on the range; a 500 point match can take just about all day; my whole week was gone.during competition season and tht was before I got on a MATS to go to Pedleton. Not crying here, enjoyed every minute of it and would do it all over again if I were younger. But, what Iam saying here is tht this is no "Norm Abrams New Yankee Workshop...awright out there riflemen let's all be snipers in 30 minutes..." This is going to take time; it "is not" going to be easy I don't give two shits or a damn what anybody says to youand you will have self doubts as surely as the sun rises in the morning. I suggest Savage here, but that's mine; it's my kid and my kids ain't ugly.
Others want to disagree that's fine just don't tell me kids are ugly that's when ya'get the back of my hand smartly laid on. I'm a "hard corps" Chief I "might not" be right but I am never wrong. That's hard for syphilians [ooops spelling] to understand. But, I think you understand you're a Marine. Closing out I think any website that lables you/me or anybody else as "Private First Class" as though there were some Parris Island or Great Lakes NTC pecking order has gotten something fundamentally wrong with it; I know I'm not a PFC I'm the wrong Sailor to play that with. You're not a "noob" you've been through it just like my nephew, 3rd Marines two tours. I put up with it because there is far far too much to learn from the "tech side" of this website, no opining, no silly arsed gotcha'games no time for it: just facts, stats, and tables the "come ups" for 190SMK .308 are really great. The "tech side" is a bloody gold mine. Now, have to go "Pipe Bonnie Dundee", a proper fighting song.
all the best
Anchor's Away/SemperFi
Chief Bull
