Re: Kimber Super Carry Pro
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suitslinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or buy a better gun out of the gate and avoid the bullshit. It's a no brainer. </div></div>
Okay then... find me an alloy frame bobtail that weighs less than 30 ounces AND costs less than 1300. IMHO I would rather have a v-bob, better belt, and holster but that right there is 2k... The super carry is a starter 1911 with decent features, at an attractive price point. I'm sure a few years from now ol MJ will be shelling out the cash on a Nighthawk, but until then, to each their own. </div></div>
I don't own a Nighthawk and I wouldn't spend that kind of money on any single stack 1911 unless I won the lottery.
There are a ton of alloy frame guns out there to which a bobtail mainspring housing can be added which are much less expensive than $1300. Colt, Springfield Armory, STI, and others have been mentioned.
$1500 is not a "starter" anything and you'd have to be a fool to let them convince you of that. Kimber once made a FINE quality product of which I have a specimen right here and I've posted a picture. They no longer do (not to mention have added a drop safety to their product that reduces reliability and is prone to total failure) and, quite frankly, their product is massively overpriced for what it is.
STI offers a double stack, polymer grip, 10 round capacity, single action 2011 with a ~4" barrel for less than $1500. Point being: if you're spending $1500 on a 1911 that doesn't have everything you could possibly want--including a bar stock sear and hammer, trigger job, 4 lb trigger, night sights, etc. you're probably getting the shaft.
All of this is abstracting from the fact that if you want a striker fired pistol, you can buy two of them with rigs and holsters for the kind of money they're asking for these guns.
I'm in the market for an Officer, CCO, or Lightweight Commander right now. I'm sure as hell not going to pay $1500 for a mass produced gun, however.
I suspect that if I was willing to spend that kind of money on a single stack gun, there would be a gunsmith who would build me a full custom one with heinies, an ed brown beavertail, my choice of thumb safety, front strap checkering, and my choice of finishes for slightly more than Kimber is asking for that gun.
If you don't believe me, start shopping around. The market is much more competitive than you think.
No matter how you slice it, those guns are overpriced. In fact, I'm not sure I'd pay over $1200 for any mass produced single stack 1911.
Just to put this in perspective, you can buy a 31 ounce, steel frame RIA officer's model for less than $500, a lightweight Colt Commander XDE for about $950, and an aluminum/stainless Colt Defender for about $900.
I don't care what kind of sights, trigger job, mainspring housing, beavertail, thumb safety, and grip safety you would want to add to one of those guns--you're still not going to hit the $1500 price point.
No, it's not a perfect world, but $1500 for a Kimber just doesn't do it for me. If we were talking about a gun that had no drop safety, had my choice of parts already, and just needed the sear cut and ammo, maybe I'd think differently.....
But as I see it right now, $1300-1500 for a factory Kimber? Sorry man, but that's just way off the mark when Colt has a gun for $900.