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How well are you impressed from your personal experience?

It seems like a nice setup, modularity, price, everything most people seem to be raving about... all legit

My biggest concern is how will the forearm hold up with temp extremes. I happen to live in an area where it can get as high as 100 but also as bad as minus 35

Realizing this isn’t specifically Kydex, but I’ve seen a lot of Kydex and polymer get brittle and break or crack... it’s an issue... not always, but one never knows

The other thing I see about this system that a lot of people seem to have commented about is feeding, especially the 700’s, getting the magwell dialed in good for reliability and rounds catching under the receiver below the feed ramp. Although anyone running Magpul AICS mags does not seem to be reporting this issue.

Ever had your action in another quality stock, swap into the Bravo, and see any improvement or degradation?

Is the system really rigid enough, and what have you experienced recoil wise due to the difference in resonance?
 

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The Bravo is probably the best value out there with a few close competitors. You do have to keep in mind that it is a budget/entry chassis. If you want all the peace of mind and features then you need to pay up.

But for $350 or what ever they are now, they really can't be beat. As far as rigidity goes they are fine. I can't see you bending the aluminum backbone any time soon. The only worry I find myself thinking about in the cold are the two pillars for the cheek piece. Everything else is just simple but it works.
 

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    I have two Bravo chassis'. One with a Tikka TacA1 action/barrel and one w/ a Vudoo Gen 2 action/barrel. The main difference is that the Vudoo has the aluminum fore end vs. the standard 'plastic' that comes with the base Bravo chassis.

    Other than helping the Vudoo move more weight forward, a real issue w/ .22s, I can't really feel any difference while actually shooting. IOW, I don't think to myself while on the gun; "I wish I had the aluminum fore end because it feels so much better", etc. They're both balanced and feel great in hand. My ONLY complaint is a lack of thumb shelf. The grip felt funky at first due to it's wide girth but I adapted and don't notice and it's my opinion they designed a wide girth for a reason and it should help with the trigger press. I end up wrapping my thumb on top near the rear tang.

    I've shot in almost the same temp ranges as you. Not -35. I'd have to be defending my life to get me out in that weather. If it's that cold, I'm staying home. But I've run a match in sub freezing.

    The Vudoo has no real feeding issues that I'd blame on the chassis but see point 2 below.

    The Tikka has the AICS magazine bottom and also runs like a champ. I have to put a bit extra effort to get the top 12th round to peel of the top but the rest are butter smooth. More to do with my hand loads vs. factory ammo.

    Also, the "get you started base chassis" is cheap. But once you begin to piece meal all the available components, you're gonna be in the same price range as those chassis' that come with all the needed options. This wouldn't stop me from buying one. It just makes it easier, and possibly cheaper, to add on what you want vs. what you don't want. And the basic chassis works the same out of the box vs. using all the add ons. They are all personal touches with the exception of the ARCA rail that the base chassis lacks and is a must have in my opinion.

    It seems to be the easiest chassis to get a Vudoo or similar .22 to balance in.

    I would buy again. But...

    1. It's all I have ever have used. To any real extent anyway. I had the Tikka in it's TacA1 chassis. No extended matches or real field use.
    2. I'm not a "top" shooter by any measure. So maybe they suck and that's why. Or more likely, it's just me.
    3. I value the aesthetic value nearly as much as function. I just think the Bravo chassis looks like a proper rifle.
    4. A folding chassis has a lot to be desired. Especially when putting in and out of the safe/storage. What I learned with the TacA1 chassis.
     
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    I have no reservations recommending a Bravo. They are a very solid option. I have a Proof barreled Defiance action in one. That rifle regularly shoots in the .2’s. There are numerous upgrades that are available for the chassis. The recoil pulse is good, nothing funky. I’m sure you would be happy the ergonomics are very good.
     
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    I took a Rem 700 out of a Krapy Huge stock and dropped it a Bravo for hunting with and it tightened the groups right up. It's allot more comfortable now as well and has opened up allot of options with the addons KRG sells for it. I would highly recommend for some one that is looking for a budget chassis/stock.
     

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    I've shot in almost the same temp ranges as you. Not -35. I'd have to be defending my life to get me out in that weather. If it's that cold, I'm staying home. But I've run a match in sub freezing.

    I haven't had to defend my life in that temp either... but you would be surprised at some of the things I have had to do in that temp

    So I don't want to discount it, because you just never know
     
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    The bravo with the aluminum forend, and weights in the back is badass. If you stay with the polymer, it is fine in temp extremes. The polymer forend does not balance as well, but the aluminum makes the rifle front heavy.
     
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    The bravo with the aluminum forend, and weights in the back is badass. If you stay with the polymer, it is fine in temp extremes. The polymer forend does not balance as well, but the aluminum makes the rifle front heavy.
    I run a proof comp contour, that works well with the polymer forend and a couple steel rear spacers.
     
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    Yeah I really have to hand it to the KRG team for how they have put their systems together, with their price points

    I’ve never personally used a chassis so I have the normal reservations that come with that
     
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    Yeah I really have to hand it to the KRG team for how they have put their systems together, with their price points

    I’ve never personally used a chassis so I have the normal reservations that come with that
    The bravo is a great cross between a stock and a chassis. If you don’t like it the resale for a minimal loss.
     

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    I have had a Bravo for a while, and have used a W3 in some form or another since 2015.
    KRG chassis are good to go no matter what flavour you get them in. The Bravo was a huge success and there are a lot of competition shooters around here that use them without issue. Since the polymer forearm cradles the aluminium main beam of the chassis there is not much that could go wrong. Its very stable and sturdy.
    I tried the extended aluminium front section for a while, and while it does offer more stability, I also felt it became a bit too bulky, so I ended up selling it. For the last 2 years (soon) I have used the KRG W3 folder on my Sako TRG22, no issues at all.
    Years ago I had an older W3 (gen4) folder were the lower hinge developed some play in it, KRG sent a replacement and that chassis has been going strong ever since.
     
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    I've never owned one, but have had a session or two with a mate's one.
    We racked up some shots on a 48°C day, and it did just fine.
    We are so spoilt for choice, of stocks and chassis', compared to even a few years ago.
     
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    I've got 3 of them and an x-ray, no issues with the plastic at all. If anything, it's much nicer to hang onto than a metal chassis. I put some brass weights in the forend of a couple that I needed a bit heavier.
     

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    The polymer is awesome in the cold.

    They work great. Anything you could change on them is all personal preference. There is nothing about the design to hold anyone back. They may be a budget chassis, but they don't give anything up to a more expensive chassis.

    They are not $350 though. I have about $500 into them by adding a spigot and ARCA rail.
     
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    Great chassis for the money I ran one for a couple of years before I upgraded. Probably the best chassis for the money

    What did you upgrade to?

    I'm kind of leaning Xray at the moment... I was planning on getting the adjustable butt pad on the Bravo anyway, but I'm thinking the thinner grip panels might be a better fit even though I am not a big fan of the Dragunov style butt stock.

    I have to double check the grip thickness, I'm 5'11" so I don't have bear paws like some
     

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    What did you upgrade to?

    I'm kind of leaning Xray at the moment... I was planning on getting the adjustable butt pad on the Bravo anyway, but I'm thinking the thinner grip panels might be a better fit even though I am not a big fan of the Dragunov style butt stock.

    I have to double check the grip thickness, I'm 5'11" so I don't have bear paws like some
    If you are wanting an X-ray @cattleman99 has a damn good deal on one. He’s a KRG dealer and damn good people. It’s in the px under accessories. Cool thing about KRG is all the parts interchange between all chassis.
     

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    My biggest concern is how will the forearm hold up with temp extremes. I happen to live in an area where it can get as high as 100 but also as bad as minus 35
    What exactly is your concern? None of the plastic on the forend is structural. The backbone from the tang to the front of the forend is all aluminum with plastic coverings.

    The buttstock is plastic and it stands up just like any other firearm structural polymer. Alaska State Troopers carry Glock handguns. I don't think they're too worried about their plastic guns falling apart in the cold.

    The other thing I see about this system that a lot of people seem to have commented about is feeding, especially the 700’s, getting the magwell dialed in good for reliability and rounds catching under the receiver below the feed ramp.
    That's inherent in the fact that the AICS system is not open source controlled (where dimensioned drawings are freely available to anyone) so anyone (other than AI) who makes AICS magazines or chassis compatible with them has to guess at the dimensions based on reverse engineering parts from AI. When you DIY a rifle, sometimes you will have to make things work that you think should just pop together. If you order a rifle, its builder does that for you.
     

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    What exactly is your concern? None of the plastic on the forend is structural. The backbone from the tang to the front of the forend is all aluminum with plastic coverings.

    The buttstock is plastic and it stands up just like any other firearm structural polymer. Alaska State Troopers carry Glock handguns. I don't think they're too worried about their plastic guns falling apart in the cold.


    That's inherent in the fact that the AICS system is not open source controlled (where dimensioned drawings are freely available to anyone) so anyone (other than AI) who makes AICS magazines or chassis compatible with them has to guess at the dimensions based on reverse engineering parts from AI. When you DIY a rifle, sometimes you will have to make things work that you think should just pop together. If you order a rifle, its builder does that for you.
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    What exactly is your concern? None of the plastic on the forend is structural. The backbone from the tang to the front of the forend is all aluminum with plastic coverings.

    The buttstock is plastic and it stands up just like any other firearm structural polymer. Alaska State Troopers carry Glock handguns. I don't think they're too worried about their plastic guns falling apart in the cold.


    That's inherent in the fact that the AICS system is not open source controlled (where dimensioned drawings are freely available to anyone) so anyone (other than AI) who makes AICS magazines or chassis compatible with them has to guess at the dimensions based on reverse engineering parts from AI. When you DIY a rifle, sometimes you will have to make things work that you think should just pop together. If you order a rifle, its builder does that for you.

    1) The polymer forearm is very thin and I included my experience with kydex(also a polymer) becoming brittle and cracking and breaking. Maybe you missed that part?

    The butt stock was not even mentioned.

    2) Alaska State Troopers don’t even figure into this. Governmental agencies have whatever their personal number of preferred spares is, on hand.

    3) I am fully aware of the fact that there are variations in anything manufactured... even with things that are considered “same”, “alike”, “identical”, etc...

    4) Things haven’t been as easily replaceable, warranty or not, since Americans decided it’s fun to play “pandemic”(you may have noticed this?)

    5) A busted piece is a busted piece, regardless of whether it is “structurally compromising”
     

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    Not all polymers are the same. Kydex isn't what the stock is made from. It's like saying experience with aluminum cans make you not trust any metal.
     
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    Not all polymers are the same. Kydex isn't what the stock is made from. It's like saying experience with aluminum cans make you not trust any metal.
    What kind of whacko would trust metal, or cans?

    Seriously... Reading Comprehension is a thing and it doesn’t appear analogies are your strong suit
     

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    1) The polymer forearm is very thin and I included my experience with kydex(also a polymer) becoming brittle and cracking and breaking. Maybe you missed that part? KRG's plastic parts are not made of kydex. Maybe you missed that?

    The butt stock was not even mentioned. I mentioned it because it's relevant.

    2) Alaska State Troopers don’t even figure into this. Governmental agencies have whatever their personal number of preferred spares is, on hand. Point went the fuck over your head.

    3) I am fully aware of the fact that there are variations in anything manufactured... even with things that are considered “same”, “alike”, “identical”, etc... I wasn't talking about manufacturing variations. You clearly do not understand the difference between open source standards and reverse engineering.

    4) Things haven’t been as easily replaceable, warranty or not, since Americans decided it’s fun to play “pandemic”(you may have noticed this?) Is KRG having parts shortages?

    5) A busted piece is a busted piece, regardless of whether it is “structurally compromising” I guess you'll just have to engineer and make that unbreakable chassis yourself.

    Or maybe just call KRG and ask them.
     

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    What kind of whacko would trust metal, or cans?

    Seriously... Reading Comprehension is a thing and it doesn’t appear analogies are your strong suit

    Analogies are meaningless when comparing plastics of vastly different material properties.
     

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    A great way to not get your requested input from other longtime members who have knowledge and experience, is to insult them. A simple phone call or email to KRG will keep you from having to suffer opinions on an open forum, as it seem to not suit you.
     

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    Nobody gives a shit if you can't handle the fact that you're wrong.

    Seriously I thought you were just out to display your lack of attention and comprehension, but then I realized it wasn’t your $0.2 but your IQ instead... it matches your worth though 🤣

    Or are you just out of Blueberry Crayons? 🤣

    Continuing just proves your childish immaturity 🤣

    Yes... I am laughing at you!
     

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    A join date of Sept this year, 16 whole messages, none offering anything of substance. You’re going to find yourself placed on ignore by many. I’ll start.
     

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    A join date of Sept this year, 16 whole messages, none offering anything of substance. You’re going to find yourself placed on ignore by many. I’ll start.

    Oh boy how gracious of you

    Good thing you feel it’s beneath you to share knowledge or experience with someone you feel is lesser than you

    Maybe this site won’t prove to be a good resource afterall?

    How dare someone post a thread asking a simple question or looking for feedback

    Or even get in enough postings to be able to pm someone, or possibly be able to make use of the px or other features

    Shudder at the thought, that sounds like what a public forum might possibly have been created for, but “new people” using it?

    We’ll have to ignore them!

    Let’s jump their thread and show them how ridiculous we think they are and tell them how “little of a shit” we give
     

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    Maybe you should go to the top and read everything

    There was a perfectly legit conversation until people came into the thread without reading and just jumping in with opinions that were off topic and getting all butt hurt when all I did was point out they were off topic

    Or are you saying basic questions are ok for certain people to just rip on and swear at whoever posted them because basic questions are frowned upon?

    It’s confusing what you mean?

    Because nobody you are referring to was making any attempt at answering or giving feedback to the topic

    Seriously how is it my bad when someone off topic tells me something they said off topic is “a point that fuck over my head” and they “don’t give a shit”?
     

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    Your worried about the plastics holding up in the cold. You were told and even given an example that not all plastics/polymers are created equal. Shoot, we use polymer for coagulation and dewatering in wastewater treatment. Polymers are purpose engineered.

    The point is, a lot of us use our gear hard and live in some awful places. If you ask for our opinion and shoot it down rather than gleaning from it. Then you're not really here to learn are you?

    The Bravo is fine. If you break it, good on you. Now you have a reason to upgrade. My bet is that you won't.

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    That is some fine cherry picking you did there

    Of course I got some good feed back/discussion from the first few posters

    But your mixing that with the posters after average guy, for whatever your personal reasons for doing so, is your wrong, not mine

    Look, no offense, and thank you for your on topic feedback. That is all I asked in the thread topic and that is what I want to know.

    Are you abusing it and is it taking the abuse, with a simple outline, because some people may not see temps dip under 30 and that was clearly outlined

    But all that off topic stuff about Alaska Troopers nonsense and particular chemical compositions of polymers and being shitty about it and having friends pile in on the shit talking is out of line on them, not me
     

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    Everything 308pirate said was pretty comprehensive and totally valid in reaponse to the OP. You derailed your own thread bc you couldnt take a bluntly honest answer.

    For those who came for the post but stayed for the drama; the KRG Bravo is not made with recycled shampoo bottles and will withstand any Earthly temps you could dream of. They rock. Ambient temps are last thing to worry about

    As for mags, there are entire threads already on the subject of Bravo chassis, mags, and troubleshooting feeding issues. I wouldn't be worried in the slightest, esp for what the Bravo costs. If you demand absolute perfection, look beyond $350 stocks
     

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    That is some fine cherry picking you did there

    Of course I got some good feed back/discussion from the first few posters

    But your mixing that with the posters after average guy, for whatever your personal reasons for doing so, is your wrong, not mine

    Look, no offense, and thank you for your on topic feedback. That is all I asked in the thread topic and that is what I want to know.

    Are you abusing it and is it taking the abuse, with a simple outline, because some people may not see temps dip under 30 and that was clearly outlined

    But all that off topic stuff about Alaska Troopers nonsense and particular chemical compositions of polymers and being shitty about it and having friends pile in on the shit talking is out of line on them, not me
    Go mix concrete. Seems like something you could wrap your head around.
     
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    Not looking for perfection

    My specific question from people who previously replied about the mags was that I saw lots of different threads over the web about feeding issues with mags but not about pmags, so were the people at that point in the thread using pmags and had they not encountered feed issues... which as I had expected, they had not

    And I couldn’t disagree more about 308pirate being on topic or courteous in any way after I had replied with his initial post to clarify the simple approach to my question that he was way over reading into, and I was courteous about it when I replied to it, even when the initial post was not courteous in my opinion.

    That is that and I’m not concerned or care about how anyone wants to read into it in defense of it

    Nobody is saying I want the durability of an Abrams at the price point of a Volkswagen... that is over reading into it and being ridiculous beyond reality

    I just expect a certain level of performance from a rifle and that is it, and it is my expectation, and cost was nowhere described other than me posting how impressive their system looks for the cost. With the only exception being the forearm that was specifically mentioned. If you look at it, it looks pretty damn thin, yes I realize it’s a “skin” that slides on the chassis and obviously I can tell it’s an aluminum backbone etc...

    None of that was mentioned because I already knew that and previously stated plainly that I had been looking at their product heavily

    Maybe it would help a great deal if everyone after average guy read everything and wasn’t jumping in with both feet and a bucket of assumptions

    Just ask if you are not fully sure, it’s a discussion if you participate instead of jumping in with preconceptions of someone stealing your kids lollipop
     
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