Folder is one more failure point, comp shooters want less failure points...
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The folder on my old Gen 5 W3 was a pretty decent design and didn't leave me wondering if it would fail. Not saying it couldn't or hasn't for some people. I just never experienced any problems with the folder.
The only "problems" I had with mine was with the mag catch. Sometimes, I couldnt get mags to seat and/or feed. Ive got a video somewhere with this problem at the start of a stage that Phil Velayo took of me. Finally got it squared away and finished the stage. Hopefully that has been addressed since that particular iteration of the W3.
Either way, I really like what KRG has done with the C4.
The only "problems" I had with mine was with the mag catch. Sometimes, I couldnt get mags to seat and/or feed. Ive got a video somewhere with this problem at the start of a stage that Phil Velayo took of me. Finally got it squared away and finished the stage. Hopefully that has been addressed since that particular iteration of the W3.
Either way, I really like what KRG has done with the C4.
That explains why AI uses folders. Military wants more failures.
I was always curious about adjustable bag riders... I don't have one but I also have never felt like I wanted to adjust mine. I set my fixed one at the height I wanted and left it there. Never felt like I'd adjust it during a stage.
How do you use it?
Has KRG introduced any sort of adjustable mag latch yet? I haven't shot one in a while. I had to file my ACC one down to get my AW mags to work, and XLR introduced an adjustable mag latch recently.
Shooting at varying distances from an elevated position is 1 example that comes to mind. Close targets, the rear of the rifle needs to be elevated higher, then further distances, the rear needs to be lower.
Also, setting your bipod at the wrong height before a stage. It's easier and quicker to change the rear than reaching out to the bipod. I know of at least 5-6 stages that a quick adjust bag rider would have saved my ass.
If a stage is prone or modified prone, you would be able to use an actual rear bag on almost any of them. U will be less likely to have a hard time choosing what bag to use as rear support.
Thanks for the response. Agree on quick change on the clock, that feature would've saved my ass a few times. Majority of my time I was taught that you always adjust the bipod, and the connection of the rear to your body is pretty constant at some optimal height off the ground. This of course is in a controlled prone environment. For me I adjust where my support bag fully extended can shoot the lowest altitude target and hope that the slump of the rear bag can also get me to the highest target.
I haven't seen how the KRG one works, but the MPA spring loaded adjustable bag rider is pretty cool.
Yea, the MPA bag rider reminds me of Harris bipod legs. Hit the button and shoooooo... there it is. Pretty cool. The vision buttstock is pretty quick to adjust but isnt spring loaded. I'm sure the KRG is quick to adjust too.
Had the same issue with both of my W3s and found its part of the bedding block in the rear. 5 minutes with a file and 1000grit sandpaper to cut/polish in an angle and solved all my issues.
Not hard to take care of but not something you should have to do on a $900+ chassis. That said a W3 would still be my chassis of choice if I needed one.
They have this one, couldn't use the 15 round vudoo mags until I got this.
https://kineticresearchgroup.com/product/ext-mag/
I had that chassis for a while and never fixed it. Dealt with it until I sold it for a foundation.
Yeah, I get it. I just figure shooters in previous days did fine with, say, the M40-type stocks.
In my shooting, 300-500 yds often on 2-4-6”-ish targets (prairie dogs in different angles, half in/out of holes, etc) shooting a .204, the angled bag rider seems to work fine. Small shifts in the bag really adjust elevation quickly. In a PRS setting, maybe if one got used to any slight recoil tracking differences, one might gain a time advantage?
But I shoot a light caliber and I’m not shooting real far. You guys have way more experience than me on the long game and I’m certainly not saying it’s superior overall for everyone (or at all). Just works in my situation.
When I tried it over a number of range sessions, the flat bag rider just took too long to adjust (for me anyway). So, I imagined when hunting, those little PD buggers would be long gone by the time I got it all dialed in.
Just throwing it out there, maybe some folks would want to try it.
And Washington did fine with a musket and horses but I'm sure he would have done better with an APC and a machine gun. Just because things worked before doesn't mean it can't be improved. "That's how we've always done it" is the easiest way to stifle innovation.
Typically, I squeeze the bag to make minor elevation adjustments. But there are times I wish I had a taller bag. An adjustable bag rider gives gross adjustment and squeezing the bag does minor adjustments. But it recoils straight back vs back/down so tracking the shot is easier. Again, not saying it's impossible to use an angled bag rider, but there's a reason you see more and more stocks have a flat bottom.
Now you’ve gotten me to wonder about slapping a musket barreled action into a W3 lol…damn that would be funny.
That's gonna be hard sell unless it's giving us something we've never seen before. Top end MPA Pro is $300 less and frankly seems a much better value. I AM most defiantly a KRG fan boi too. AND, I really like the look and apparent benefits of this new chassis. Will hold final judgement when the price AND specs are released and I can make a better assessment.
I just want to put that forend on a Bravo rear but it does not look like that is an option.
I think you're right. Looks like one piece.
Im hearing you. Im an absolute KRG whore, but over 2x the price of a G6 W3 is got my head spinning. Keep in mind this price was just something I saw posted on an Insta story from someone at shot. Maybe @Covertnoob5 ?
Also the forend is definitely not swappable. Chassis is one monolithic piece from nose to tail.
Im hearing you. Im an absolute KRG whore, but over 2x the price of a G6 W3 is got my head spinning. Keep in mind this price was just something I saw posted on an Insta story from someone at shot. Maybe @Covertnoob5 ?
Also the forend is definitely not swappable. Chassis is one monolithic piece from nose to tail.
How do you print something 9 ft tall and not realize that you have one feature listed twice?
if they only mentioned it once, there would have been blank, wasted space
To be fair, it's a nice feature.
That price though. I guess I'll have to put my hands on one to see.
There is a demographic of buyer, who if it's not the most expensive or near, won't buy. I'm not kidding. Some guys need to pay more just to pay more and KRG has been kinda the "value" chassis out there due to price. I don't think they're lesser because of that, and appreciate a lower price option. And if you buy all the accessories for a Bravo, you're paying a lot more than that entry price. Ask me how I know. High price = exclusivity and it's most definitely a business model.
I was really excited for this chassis. But at $1899, fuck that.
They had me until the price. I'm all for paying for quality but damn, that's 2x the W3 Competition model that I'll probably end up getting instead.
Hell $1899 appears to be the "intro price". Might be even more after awhile.
$1999 full price if i had to guess?
I’ve looked on their page and only see a Bravo for the 10/22, Tikka, and CZ457. Is it somewhere other than their rimfire chassis page? Post a link if you wouldn’t mind because I’d love one of those.
The mdt guys are probably looking at this saying “damn we should jack up the price of the ACC G2” 
The mdt guys are probably looking at this saying “damn we should jack up the price of the ACC G2”
Shhhh!
And the price on the JAE!!!!The mdt guys are probably looking at this saying “damn we should jack up the price of the ACC G2”
Said the same thing about JAE back in the day. Then I bought one….
I'm pretty sure the 455 chassis went away when they discontinued the 180-Xray
I was hanging out waiting for this chassis but it's nearly double the price of most top chassis and they have placed the weight mounting points too high so they won't interface with a bag thos will make it less stable on a bag than most other chassis. It does actually look like theyhave milled it to work with rrs rlok tho. You could probably get some custom weights milled up to fix the problem but at that price I don't plan to be modifying a stock to make it better
You guys obviously don’t remember the habu. This seems likes a bargain….
Still own 2 JAE's, and still think they are the best chassis's made yet.
They are worth the cost. This KRG looks pretty damn solid as well, and the closest thing to a JAE worthy replacement yet.
For my game the JAE is lacking.
Love it for positional shooting though.
Add weights and your at 2300
When they introduced the new gen X-ray, the intro price ended up becoming the normal price. Not saying that's the case here, just saying what they did last time
Keep in mind that's a solid billet of aluminum so the machining prices are going the stupid high. I have no problem with the Backbone and bolted on rears on the other chassis. I kind of wish they make this a forened and you could put whatever stock on it you want.
That being said, I'm buying one, regardless of the high price. The rear ergos on my W3 fit my face in a way that other chassis can't replicate, so I'm deep in the KRG camp, and I want the balance point on my rifle about an inch further forward, which is nigh impossible with the current offerings, unless I go full bull barrel/blunderbuss contour on my rifle.
ACC is nice, but again, the KRG cheek piece is what keeps me, regardless of price. Since it's polymer, I cut mine in half and moved it forward so I can rest/index my face on the gun without having to crane my neck sideways or have the cheek piece interfere with my ear cups.
That being said, I'm buying one, regardless of the high price. The rear ergos on my W3 fit my face in a way that other chassis can't replicate, so I'm deep in the KRG camp, and I want the balance point on my rifle about an inch further forward, which is nigh impossible with the current offerings, unless I go full bull barrel/blunderbuss contour on my rifle.
ACC is nice, but again, the KRG cheek piece is what keeps me, regardless of price. Since it's polymer, I cut mine in half and moved it forward so I can rest/index my face on the gun without having to crane my neck sideways or have the cheek piece interfere with my ear cups.
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I would love to see an upgraded Bravo rear that you can bolt on to. I love the Bravo because of the way it feels, meaning the stockfish-not-chassisish feel, but it's a $350 stock so it has that plastic hollow sensation. A strong, upgraded Bravo that comes with the tooless (toolless?) LOP and cheek riser would be awesome.
KRG now has two different internal weights that you can add to the Bravo rear end:
Bravo Grip Weight – Kinetic Research Group
kineticresearchgroup.com Bravo Rear Weight Set – Kinetic Research Group
kineticresearchgroup.com The new chassis various companies are putting out are nice but damn they must have hella price increase and R and D for the drastic increases they are coming with. I was interested in the new MPA then heard price. Then the Krg until I see the price. I haven't seen the MDT price on the Gen2 but I am willing to bet its right in the 1800.00 range. XLR and Xylo chassis will have to do for the time being.
