Rifle Scopes LPVO vs Eotech for 5-500 yards

[Odysseus1911]

I'm building an AR pistol as a do-it-all gun (home defense, truck gun, range toy) and keep going back and forth between a Primary Arms Platinum 1-8 Griffin mil and an Eotech Exps2-2 with a magnifier. I would really like to have precision at 600 yards, but it is not essential. CQB viability is essential.

Lots of 3-gunners claim that the better LPVOs are only barely behind a red dot for speed and ease of use, but does this only happen after thousands of rounds of multiple target drills behind the LPVO?

If 4 guys kick in your door at 3 am, would you wish you had the eotech instead of the LPVO?

 

[PBWalsh]

Well yeah, in that scenario who wouldn’t? Another option would be to get the EoTech now, and buy the lpvo later. Run repeatable QD mounts and switch them on and off as necessary.

For me, I’m in the same situation. For now at least, I am slightly leaning towards a TA31 ACSS ACOG with an RMR either on top or offset. You could always do the same with the PA optic and an RMR, though that system weight with mounts is going to be around 2 pounds. ACOG + RMR + mounts is about 16-18oz.

As for precision at 600m, I do not realistically have regular access to that much range. If I did, I’d QD off the ACOG and on a higher powered optic.

 

[Veilwulf]

I've gone through a similar situation on wanting a "do it all" type rifle and optic. I think its possible, but from my experiences you end up with a multi tool. I carry a nice Leatherman, and yes its great when i need to tighten a screw, but it would not be my choice tool to build a porch.

LPVO are great, as are eotechs. In my opinion with my experiences, in my home, I personally did not like the LPVO for home defense. I found it to be a tool that yes, could work in a pinch and probably well, with much training, but for me just wasnt the fit. Now take it to range or course, or hunting/ walking the woods and it would be my ideal optic for 600 or less.

In the end though, at least in my experience, i prefer right tool for the right job. I have a 11.5" ar build with an eotech, and a 18" build sporting a LPVO for hunting and play.

I know people who swear by both, and so whatever you end up with, practice makes perfect.

 

[Gohring65]

I would get the LPVO. I went thru this for a couple years. I started with a RT6 then went to the holosun 510 elite, and now I’m back to the rt6. It’s just more versatile for me. I would practice drills at close range, like 10-20 ft with torso targets not using any sights if I was concerned about a door kick in.

 

[schlaiek]

if 4 guys kick in my door I'd want something with an always on aiming device like an Aimpoint. I don't want to be humbling with the power switch of an Eotech of similar unless you've got that ironed into your muscle memory.

 

[Boltyboi]

I have an LPVO, because I could only afford one good optic and by the time I added 2 QD mounts that is pushing up to 300$ just in mounts. At that point I start thinking may be better to invest a bit more and get a second upper better dedicated to what you want to do with it. That or run an offset red dot in conjunction with the LPVO.

When I was making this decision I had to be honest with myself about a couple things.

First off, I use my ar all the time for hunting and longer shooting than a dot really accommodates well. I don't clear houses for a living nor do I pretend to do so. 100% of my real usage is if not superior with the LPVO, then atleast not hindered by it. Mostly I shoot in the day, so no problem, and the dot is bright AF (PST 1-6) if i need it/have time to turn it on. Also, whenever I am shooting in the dark, I have my weapon light on, so even if the battery died, I dont have much of a problem just running the cross hair.

Second, I ran irons before this and never really felt hindered, and a LPVO is an improvement for me up close, and for sure far away. Would a dot be better? Yeah, but I think that its starting to split hairs.

Third, you can point shoot a rifle pretty damn well at close ranges if you are familiar with it. I'm not saying that one should rely on this in a serious situation, but try turning off your dot or removing the optic and try shooting silhouettes at like 3 yards. Now maybe that super navey seal hostage headshot in half a second wouldn't go so well, but still. I could have a bananna mounted in my scope rings, and at the distances inside my house, youre not missing a torso sized target.

So do I think that having an LPVO vs a dot would be a big enough disadvantage in a defensive situation to worry about it? Not at all. An Ar with a light and any 1x aiming system, dot, irons, scope, whatever (assuming you train with it!) is already such a huge advantage already, that Im not going to stress about it not being the most ideal. Now, If I had the money to burn, and didn't have other projects to spend it on? Yeah Id 100% have a Qd dot and scope setup, or just have 2 rifles. But id be more excited about the lighter weight of the dot that any advantage it gave me...

 

[Odysseus1911]

Great input all around. Leaning toward the LPVO simply because it still works when the battery goes dead.

 

[PBWalsh]

Aimpoint batteries dont die. Replace them every half decade...

 

[Odysseus1911]

If I go the red dot route, it'll be an Eotech. I like the donut/center dot enough to deal with 600 hours of battery life.

 

[Downtown]

No matter how much I may like the reticle on an Eotech, if I intend to keep a AR for true home defence, one that sits for a long period of time, ready to grab and immediately fire, only an Aimpoint offers the always on battery life I need. 600 hours slips by pretty quickly.

 

[S197]

I live in the city, so For home defense I would go with a red dot and BUIS. if I lived on a few acres and went LPVO it would be a NF ACTAR as my 10.3 gets knocked around allot. When it comes to home defense, limit the possibilities of failures. Unless your chuck noris.

 

[Gohring65]

Check out the holosun 510 elite of you like the circle dot. Solar and shake awake gives you 50,000 hours of battery life.

 

[Islas82]

Mix them And up get the 1-6 vudu with the Sr3 reticle. I got one on my AR and it serves really well at CQ and distance.

 

[Veilwulf]

Check out the holosun 510 elite of you like the circle. Solar and shake awake gives you 50,000 hours of battery life.

Honestly cant say enough good things about the 510. Glad im not the only one who likes this gem.

 

[Boltyboi]

If you have money to burn, and weight isnt an issue, from the competition scene offsets have proven them selves to be just as fast. What is there lost from having an lpvo with a holosun on an offset?