Man this is messed up....

[pmclaine]

Im with the cadre....

Exclusive: DOD Investigating General Retaliating Against Green Berets

The Pentagon inspector general is investigating allegations that a two-star Army general is retaliating against Green Berets.

www.breitbart.com

Gen Sonntag sounds nuts.

@buffalowinter any thoughts that you can express?

 

[JA Thacker]

Yeah I've talked to several guys at SWC over the past year or so and they are ready for him to get out of there.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Looks to be gender norm-ing in this day an age.
Similar but different B/S went on long ago with guys filling slots during TDY that had no business of even being in the A/O let alone being assigned a operational slot. Stupid knows no rank,...

 

[buffalowinter]

SF has always been resented by the officer corps of the regular Army. It was only after Gulf War 1 that SF begrudgingly gained acceptance when they became the sweethearts of Hollywood and box office ratings. No longer Secret Soldiers. The CG of SWC should be a tabbed SF Officer. However, to get this rank demands a politically savvy bureaucrat , and if he wants to succeed he must bow to the whims of his political master's. The Clinton/Obama years saw the rise of a self-serving officer corps interested in only their own career progression and their views better had be in line with their political overlord's, i.e. the President and SecDef. In regards to the article the land nav course was always the great discriminator in who went forward in the Q course...failure rate was usually in excess of 50%. I believe the Q course is under pressure to feed people through the pipeline...it happened during Vietnam and is happening now. Also, I believe there is a problem with the quality of candidate...the current millenial with his "I'm Special" attitude and drawer full of "participation" medals does not prepare you for the old school Q course.

I found the following excerpt in the article particularly interesting:

"In an especially notorious incident at SWCS in the fall of 2017, a student killed his entire fictional local guerrilla force he was supposed to train during the Robin Sage culminating exercise — a disastrous outcome and ethical violation. Cadre pulled the student from the exercise immediately. However, commanders allowed him to graduate over the objection of cadre.
“He literally murdered all of his guerrillas. He took a machine gun out, he got angry, and he gunned down and killed all of his guerrillas,” one source said. “We’ve got people that are getting through the pipeline that should not be in the pipeline.”

I love that. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to do that in the Q course. I think the Q course doesn't adequately prepare you to deal with a Guerilla Force that only wants money and guns and will kill you the moment they think the well is dry. This is where you start to learn the motto "Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter-accusations"...and my own personal corollary of "leave no witnesses".


The root of the problem is that SOCOM wants 580 SF qualified personnel a year to fulfill mission requirements. SF are first born and then made...there is a limited number who are capable of doing this job. They are lucky to get the 350 to 400 a year they are producing. The only way to get the quota is to lower the standards...and that will get people killed.

 

[Blutroop]

Sounds like the kind of general that should be deployed. Let him find out why a leader wants to be loved not feared. I wouldn’t expect him to make it back though

 

[Huskydriver]

SF has always been resented by the officer corps of the regular Army. It was only after Gulf War 1 that SF begrudgingly gained acceptance when they became the sweethearts of Hollywood and box office ratings. No longer Secret Soldiers. The CG of SWC should be a tabbed SF Officer. However, to get this rank demands a politically savvy bureaucrat , and if he wants to succeed he must bow to the whims of his political master's. The Clinton/Obama years saw the rise of a self-serving officer corps interested in only their own career progression and their views better had be in line with their political overlord's, i.e. the President and SecDef. In regards to the article the land nav course was always the great discriminator in who went forward in the Q course...failure rate was usually in excess of 50%. I believe the Q course is under pressure to feed people through the pipeline...it happened during Vietnam and is happening now. Also, I believe there is a problem with the quality of candidate...the current millenial with his "I'm Special" attitude and drawer full of "participation" medals does not prepare you for the old school Q course.

I found the following excerpt in the article particularly interesting:

"In an especially notorious incident at SWCS in the fall of 2017, a student killed his entire fictional local guerrilla force he was supposed to train during the Robin Sage culminating exercise — a disastrous outcome and ethical violation. Cadre pulled the student from the exercise immediately. However, commanders allowed him to graduate over the objection of cadre.
“He literally murdered all of his guerrillas. He took a machine gun out, he got angry, and he gunned down and killed all of his guerrillas,” one source said. “We’ve got people that are getting through the pipeline that should not be in the pipeline.”

I love that. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to do that in the Q course. I think the Q course doesn't adequately prepare you to deal with a Guerilla Force that only wants money and guns and will kill you the moment they think the well is dry. This is where you start to learn the motto "Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter-accusations"...and my own personal corollary of "leave no witnesse".


The root of the problem is that SOCOM wants 580 SF qualified personnel a year to fulfill mission requirements. SF are first born and then made...there is a limited number who are capable of doing this job. They are lucky to get the 350 to 400 a year they are producing. The only way to get the quota is to lower the standards...and that will get people killed.View attachment 7040783

Lowering the standards doesnt get people killed, however hands in your pockets will certainly result in team deaths according to one of my battalion commanders. Also on that list that resulted in immediate death was not adhering to the grooming standard, rolling your sleeves up above the wrist or running around with your boots unbloused.?

Big army has big problems no doubt especially when a large portion of your general officers hail from democrat run states and received their west point appointments from democratic legislators. What's scary is how many general officers appear to be tied now to the Democratic party unofficially of course.

 

[buffalowinter]

 

[pmclaine]

What happened to the 3% success rate?



That standard is what I expect from that group.

Though Barry had some tough issues after he hung his Green Beret up, kind of a Rennaissance Man into alot of stuff.

 

[buffalowinter]

It's never been 3%...more like 30% I believe.

 

[Huskydriver]

What happened to the 3% success rate?



That standard is what I expect from that group.

Though Barry had some issue after he hung his Green Beret up.

I imagine that 3% went out the window when it was decided that we would be fighting a war for 18 years that has replied heavily on socom as a main combat force as @buffalowinter pointed out.

 

[pmclaine]

It's never been 3%...more like 30% I believe.

I realized that but its tough to be lyrical with "100 will test today, but only 30 will wear the Green Beret"

Not as cool.

 

[pmclaine]

I imagine that 3% went out the window when it was decided that we would be fighting a war for 18 years that has replied heavily on socom as a main combat force as @buffalowinter pointed out.

Well the problem is not the Q Course.

Whats happening there is just a symptom.

Our pols have decided war is good business and instead of going in with full force and kicking ass they have taken the SEIU mantra of "Dont kill the job".

Met a guy today doing my job.

Major who is a Lt Col selectee.

Electronic warfare unit patch on his left sleeve 82nd Airborne on his right.

Stated to me he was having a bad day, wife just told him they were done.

We talked, he was telling me he moves every two years and its hard on the family. His last tour he was hit by two IEDs.

Guy was in distress and he is in the God ranks.

That is the shit 18 years of war puts good people in.

Good thing is he was receptive to help. He was willing to exchange numbers and Ive passed his info on to 20 plus year guys that I know wont question him and being outside his unit hopefully he will feel "safer" taking the help.

Its not only the fucked up op tempo but the fucked up way the war is being fought and than add in the fucked up internal shit like this article.

Its almost like the last 18 years has been designed to break the military and cull out the Patriots that will resist what comes next.

If the statistic "20 guys a day kill themselves" is true that's a result of all the shit the military has been asked to carry for a burden.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

It's never been 3%...more like 30% I believe.

Back in the early 1960's, there was not the same Q-course that exists today. Many folks came in administratively.... interviews, some testing, etc. That was still going on during VN when some folks were moved over, especially officers, without what, today, is an extensive selection and qualification course. They needed folks in VN and opened up the ability for folks to move over. I never knew if they did a selection 'later' but more than a few came over because they had a solid record in their parent units and there were slots to fill.

That is 'probably' the root of Sadler's 3 in 100 lyric....

And, BW, having been one of the Pineland Indigenous Personnel a couple of times. It was our job! i came down one year with a Msg from First Group and a group of University Cadets. Was a week-long intro to cadets who had aspirations of being A-Team Captains... to what they were going to see. The schoolhouse cadre were in charge. And the cadre and locals in NC were simply infernal in their ability to screw with selectees. They also rode the cadets like rented mules. Which was good for them. They got an education, for sure!

As for the shitstorm... BW could not have said it better when he said that Mother Army does not like SF. A few get the value. A lot are envious and angry and don't see what SF brings to the table. Some spend their careers trying to screw units like SF, SFOD, Navspecwar, etc. Way to go, people. Glad to put your low achievements and standards on everyone.

Anyhoo... I think that is the origins. And 30 percent sounds about right these days. But those going into selection and making it TO the Q-course are pretty damn good folks.

BTW, I believe the selection rate for the SAS sits at about 4 - 6 percent. If that. But they are a different mission.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[buffalowinter]

And if the above isn't messed up enough...there's this:

Green Beret fights off cougar at local bar

Published
12 hours ago
on
March 11, 2019
By
Whiskey Fueled Tirade

Source: Defense Visual Information Distribution Service

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — A Special Forces soldier is in serious but stable condition in his team room this morning after a cougar attack in a Fayetteville bar last night, sources confirmed today.
Staff Sgt. Grant Anderson, a twenty-four-year-old junior weapons sergeant in 3rd Special Forces Group (Airborne), was walking out of the Tap House bathroom in downtown Fayetteville when he saw a flash of golden hair out of the corner of his eye. Before he could react, the prowling creature had leaped on her unwitting prey.

“She came out of nowhere, dug her claws into my hips, and immediately went for my face, neck, and crotch,” said Anderson, still shaken by the event. “I’ve survived two deployments to Afghanistan, Boko Haram in Africa, and a liver transplant after a training exercise in Vegas. But frankly, I didn’t know if I would make it out of this one alive.”
Anderson responded to the attack by avoiding eye contact, yelling loudly to scare the creature away, and eventually pretending to be gay, as he learned to do in SERE school. Nevertheless, she persisted. Eyewitnesses claim the once majestic creature, now haggard from years of prowling the wild Fayetteville bar scene, dragged Anderson through the parking lot before he was able to reposition himself and choke the beast, breaking free of its grasp.
“She has probably been living off of young paratroopers out here for years,” said Fayetteville Police Chief Gina Hawkins. “The poor kids don’t seem to know how dangerous it can be in a bar near closing time. If soldiers straggle behind the pack, these seasoned apex predators pounce. When we eventually find the soldiers, they’re scared, hungry, and usually drained of their fluids.”
Fayetteville police have teamed up with a few young cougar hunters from the 82nd Airborne Division to track down and capture the creature. This incident marks the nineteenth such attack in Fayetteville’s bar district this week, sources confirmed.

 

[myronman3]

i have no idea if it is still there, but that story reminds me of ‘the firefly’, or the name we unofficially called it, “menopause”. haha

 

[myronman3]

in regards to the original topic, and out of control brass....one needs look no further than the goatfuck ranger battlion got when it was decreed that the women pass through and were not allowed to be failed.