Maybe Greg was right

[Maggot]

Ifit werent for the goodness of the Egyptian women Id say:

GLASSEM


NEW YORK – CBS News correspondent Lara Logan was recovering in a U.S. hospital Tuesday from a sexual attack and beating she sustained while reporting on the tumultuous events in Cairo.

Logan was in the city's Tahrir Square on Friday after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she, her team and their security "were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration," CBS said in a statement Tuesday.

The network described a mob of more than 200 people "whipped into a frenzy."

Separated from her crew in the crush of the violent pack, she suffered what CBS called "a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating." She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said. The Associated Press does not name victims of a sexual assault unless the victim agrees to it.

She reconnected with the CBS team and returned to the U.S. on Saturday.

The attack on Logan, CBS News' chief foreign affairs correspondent, is one of at least 140 others suffered by reporters covering the unrest in Egypt since Jan. 30, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. An Egyptian reporter died from gunshot wounds he received during the protests.

A week before Friday's attack, Logan was detained by the Egyptian military for a day, along with two CBS cameramen. They returned to the U.S. after their release, and Logan went back to Cairo shortly before Mubarak left.

Logan joined CBS News in 2002. She regularly reports for the "CBS Evening News" as well as "60 Minutes," where she has been a correspondent since 2006. She has reported widely from Iraq and Afghanistan, and other global trouble spots.

CBS said it had no further comment on Logan's assault.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

I'd hit it, too!

Really though, that's pretty bold to go over there in the middle of what amounts to a coup, especially when part of the society sees women as sub-human objects, i.e. play-things.

 

[crocker84]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Yeah, I can't believe that anyone would voluntarily go over there right now, let alone a female.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crocker84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, I can't believe that anyone would voluntarily go over there right now, let alone a female. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd hit it, too!

Really though, that's pretty bold to go over there in the middle of what amounts to a coup, especially when part of the society sees women as sub-human objects, i.e. play-things. </div></div>

I agree she was stupid for going at this time as was Danny Pearl, and she IS table grade little liberal chick, but no one should be raped. Especially gang raped.

 

[KIDGLOCK]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

That heads got its own weather system .

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crocker84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, I can't believe that anyone would voluntarily go over there right now, let alone a female. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd hit it, too!

Really though, that's pretty bold to go over there in the middle of what amounts to a coup, especially when part of the society sees women as sub-human objects, i.e. play-things. </div></div>

I agree she was stupid for going at this time as was Danny Pearl, and she IS table grade little liberal chick, but no one should be raped. Especially gang raped. </div></div>

Yeah "no one should be raped" but in reality people do get raped.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lot's of "blaming the victim" in this thread. </div></div>

Would you not agree that when you put yourself in a risky situation, you have to accept at least some degree of culpability when something does happen? Yeah it sucks that it happened but let's be realistic.

 

[CE1371]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Lara has done more to show what's really happening in Iraq and Afghanistan than just about any other reporter with the exception of Michael Yon and a few others. I've met her personally and she's one of the few reporters I've met that legitimately care about service members instead of just being there for ratings and spin.


And she's smokin hot.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CE1371</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lara has done more to show what's really happening in Iraq and Afghanistan than just about any other reporter with the exception of Michael Yon and a few others. I've met her personally and she's one of the few reporters I've met that legitimately care about service members instead of just being there for ratings and spin.


And she's smokin hot. </div></div>

Thanks for the up close........and she had the courage to let it be printed.

Get well Lara.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lot's of "blaming the victim" in this thread. </div></div>

Would you not agree that when you put yourself in a risky situation, you have to accept at least some degree of culpability when something does happen? Yeah it sucks that it happened but let's be realistic.</div></div>

Like I said... Blaming the victim.

The people that raped her had a choice; to rape or not to rape. We know which one they chose, & it was wrong. The victim of a rape should not have to "accept at least some degree of culpability when [rape] does happen." </div></div>

Where did it say she was raped? Sexual assault can take many forms.

Either way, it's getting a little too PC in here for my tastes.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CE1371</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lara has done more to show what's really happening in Iraq and Afghanistan than just about any other reporter with the exception of Michael Yon and a few others. I've met her personally and she's one of the few reporters I've met that legitimately care about service members instead of just being there for ratings and spin.


And she's smokin hot. </div></div>

Sounds like she's one of the few good ones and she has the balls to get her hands dirty.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

I already apologized for my suggestion. Leave me out of this one.

I don't blame her for doing her job in Egypt. Don't firemen run <span style="font-style: italic">into</span> burning buildings?

Greg

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lot's of "blaming the victim" in this thread. </div></div>

Would you not agree that when you put yourself in a risky situation, you have to accept at least some degree of culpability when something does happen? Yeah it sucks that it happened but let's be realistic.</div></div>

Like I said... Blaming the victim.

The people that raped her had a choice; to rape or not to rape. We know which one they chose, & it was wrong. The victim of a rape should not have to "accept at least some degree of culpability when [rape] does happen." </div></div>

So if I go play in the middle of a street, I shouldn't wonder why I was hit by a pickup?

Actions have consequences. All too often reporters go into hot spots and think they are immune to the hell that is breaking out around them...as if they were some invisible bystander. Pearl had his head cut off, and she was sexually assaulted.

Yes, the rapists made a choice to violate her, and she made a conscious decision to go there knowing what was happening and how that culture views women, and Americans.

She was playing in the freeway and got hit, and because several have questioned her wisdom in doing so, you screech "blaming the victim". OK, guess what: Life has sharp corners. Most of the time you can see them or know they are there, as it was with the case under discussion.

So yes, she shares in the culpability for putting herself in that situation.

 

[shankster..]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Hell, if you were a goat or a donkey you got raped that night.

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell, if you were a goat or a donkey you got raped that night. </div></div>

I think that's a normal "date night"

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So if I go play in the middle of a street, I shouldn't wonder why I was hit by a pickup?

Actions have consequences. All too often reporters go into hot spots and think they are immune to the hell that is breaking out around them...as if they were some invisible bystander. Pearl had his head cut off, and she was sexually assaulted.

Yes, the rapists made a choice to violate her, and she made a conscious decision to go there knowing what was happening and how that culture views women, and Americans.

She was playing in the freeway and got hit, and because several have questioned her wisdom in doing so, you screech "blaming the victim". OK, guess what: Life has sharp corners. Most of the time you can see them or know they are there, as it was with the case under discussion.

So yes, she shares in the culpability for putting herself in that situation. </div></div>

Careful Yash, Hanzo has the same mindset of those who would sue McDonalds because they're fat.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

those who would sue McDonalds because they're fat. </div></div>

Dang, I though it is McD's fault...

 

[High Binder]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

those who would sue McDonalds because they're fat. </div></div>

Dang, I though it is McD's fault... </div></div>

No, it's the cars fault for forcing you to go through the drive-through.

Our being fat is clearly Detroit's fault, oh and the oil companies.

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

did'nt she get blown up in a convoy sometime back.....it wrecked the vehicle she was in and boogered several inside the vehicle with her....??

 

[Maggot]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">did'nt she get blown up in a convoy sometime back.....it wrecked the vehicle she was in and boogered several inside the vehicle with her....?? </div></div>

I remember that BR, but I think it was a different woman...cant recall her name.

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

those who would sue McDonalds because they're fat. </div></div>

Dang, I though it is McD's fault... </div></div>

No, it's the cars fault for forcing you to go through the drive-through.

Our being fat is clearly Detroit's fault, oh and the oil companies. </div></div>

The absurdity would be funny if it weren't so true. Blame everyone but the idiot in the mirror.

 

[notquiteright]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

You can blame McDonalds for being fat but your parents have to carry some blame for being stupid!

The share the cupability BS, does that apply to soldiers who after all volunteer? They didnt have to chose soldiering to make a living.

The example of playing in the street is spectacular in its ignorance. There is a difference between what you do in ignorant play or as a profession, such as free diving with sharks on a vacation and what cops, firemen, reporters, soldiers and a bunch of other brave people I maynot always agree with, yet have to give them credit when its due.

If some feel the need to place blame I suggest a rousing game of Slap Yo Momma! You first!

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Damn right it does, free diving with sharks is a hobby (or ignorant play, to use the terms of your ignorant post), not a duty. Good friend of mine had his head blown off by a 23mm cannon in Desert Storm while flying a Blackhawk. Everyone on board died. We all knew the risk and we went. He shouldered some of the responsibility of what happened to him as I would have had the same happened to me.

She chose to go and place herself in harms way. As far as the "playing in the street" comment goes, look up analogy. When I do something that gets me hurt or in trouble, I'll be damned if I'll try to absolve myself of culpability, or have anyone else do it ESPECIALLY if I chose to go in spite of the risks.

It's called taking responsibility for one's actions. You should give it a try sometime.

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hattori Hanz&#333;</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn right it does, free diving with sharks is a hobby (or ignorant play, to use the terms of your ignorant post), not a duty. Good friend of mine had his head blown off by a 23mm cannon in Desert Storm while flying a Blackhawk. Everyone on board died. We all knew the risk and we went. He shouldered some of the responsibility of what happened to him as I would have had the same happened to me.

She chose to go and place herself in harms way. As far as the "playing in the street" comment goes, look up analogy. When I do something that gets me hurt or in trouble, I'll be damned if I'll try to absolve myself of culpability, or have anyone else do it ESPECIALLY if I chose to go in spite of the risks.

<span style="color: #FF0000">It's called taking responsibility for one's actions. You should give it a try sometime. </span></div></div>

Alright man, cool the fuck down. You think she didn't know she was going somewhere volatile? I've worked with rape victims as part of getting my degree. She is gonna be blaming herself for being attacked like all rape victims do, it's called cognitive restructuring, & it's a source of extreme guilt, depression, and anxiety for them. It also is the way the human mind deals with managing extreme fears. She was the victim of a crime (rape is illegal in Egypt too!), why should she feel guilty for that? The only person responsible for a sexual assault is the perpetrator. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's not a perfect world, you gotta stay aware, but stop making excuses for people that do fucked up shit by blaming the victim. </div></div>

You need to go back and re-read my posts before you try putting words in my mouth, boy. A) I did not absolve any of the animals that (not who) attacked her. B) I did not say that she should feel guilty. C) I did not place the entirety of blame on her.

Were she working in an office and the same incident happen, THEN AND ONLY THEN would your argument hold water. However, she put herself in that situation. No one forced her to go. She made an informed, adult decision and got assaulted as a result. Shit happens. But don't try to tell me she, or anyone, can just do what they please or go where they will, and not be responsible <span style="font-weight: bold">to any degree</span> for what happens to them.

Those hikers in Iraq who were taken by the Iranians, are they free of culpability as well? I can think of a lot better places to hike than in an area crawling with insurgents and Iranian agents. Did they "deserve" (hate that word) to be imprisoned in Iran? Nope. Do they share some of the responsibility for the predicament they're in? Yes. They. Do.

I'm done on this, obviously I'm wasting my time and annoying you.

 

[notquiteright]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Oh I have done my duty, and am amazed how many insist on wrapping themselves up in other's sacrifice to take umbrage on the internet.

It isnt that the reporter has no responsibility- its the assinine comparison to playing in the street.

Duty is passe, look around at all the 'defenders of the 2nd Amendment' who never stepped up and served. These patriots sure dont lack for emotional claims of just what will happen if 'they' try and....

A famous chickenhawk summed it up when spinning his failure to do his duty- had other priorities! And he got a pass on that as well as saluted as a great patriot!

A continual presidental candidate was asked to personalize the call to duty he loved to use in his stump speech by telling us what his sons were doing to serve in the great struggle against radicals. Why helping dad get elected! As if skipping around the country on private charters and staying in 4 star hotels is the equal to escorting convoys in Iraq!

Perhaps staring in the mirror should be limited to just 15 minutes of scowly face followed by a few sneers.

Good luck

 

[Phil1]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

How about putting some responsibility where it belongs. Fire the entire CBS camera and security detail that allowed Ms. Logan to become separated from her crew. Fire the CBS executives that were overseeing the Egyptian news coverage.

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

My apologies for not getting back to this particular post last night. I had more pressing concerns (read: duties). But thank you for the chuckle, but let's take a few of your assertions in no particular order:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh I have done my duty</div></div>

Really?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">am amazed how many insist on wrapping themselves up in other's sacrifice to take umbrage on the internet</div></div>

Boorish comment and irrelevant.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its the assinine comparison to playing in the street</div></div>

Let me break this one down into smaller concepts for you: Playing in the street involves injecting ones self into a fast-moving, dangerous environment...kind of like Egypt. You have to really pay attention to your surroundings to avoid being hurt...kind of like Egypt. Even if you do, you're probably still going to be hurt...kind of like Egypt.

BTW it's "asinine."

Most of the rest is not germane to the thread, but suffice to say if you have a problem with people exercising their first amendment right to defend the second you can start a thread in the 2nd Amendment forum.

And then we get to this gem:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Duty is passe</div></div>

Thank you, in three words you have told me all I need to know about you.

Allow me to extend my deepest regrets, I thought I was having a conversation with an adult.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

Looks like this thread is reaching ...."locked".

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

The analogy was wrong simply because it was not analagous to the situation that happened.

Playing in a busy street is a pointless exercise. The reporter was reporting the news. That is a useful and important function. Furthermore there was a comms blackout in Egypt and so the first person account of events became more important still. I liken her in this case to a war correspondent.

Yes, she chose to enter a dangerous, highly volatile situation. But to say it was an act with no more merit (and hence the same level of culpability) of recklessly being in traffic is just incorrect.

I find the intent to place blame on her rather pointless. So what? She was doing a dangerous job and it went wrong. I'm grateful there are those who take risks that I'm not prepared to but still benefit from.

She has my thanks and condolences for what she did and what happened to her.

 

[patriotoutlaw]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

And this whole time the news media has been telling us that this is Egypts "1776". Hmmmm...not sure how many rapes our founders perpetrated on the innocents, back in the day. Maybe the arabs should stick to molesting little boys and goats!

 

[leagle2]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

She is not to "blame" at all. You use the words "responsible" and "culpable" interchangeably and they don't mean the same thing. There is no way that "playing in the street" is analagous to a reporter doing her job. Unless someone had a gun to her head, she is responsible for her decision to go into a line of work that put her in harms way; but she bears no culpability for the crimes committed against her.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: leagle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She is not to "blame" at all. You use the words "responsible" and "culpable" interchangeably and they don't mean the same thing. There is no way that "playing in the street" is analagous to a reporter doing her job. Unless someone had a gun to her head, she is responsible for her decision to go into a line of work that put her in harms way; but she bears no culpability for the crimes committed against her. </div></div>

Excellent point. Thank you.

 

[Yasherka]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: leagle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You use the words "responsible" and "culpable" interchangeably and they don't mean the same thing.</div></div>

I'll concede this point, I'm not up to speed on specific legal definitions, but thank you for the correction.

Unless someone can convince me the same thing would have happened to her had she not gone, I'll stick with my analogy. Mind you I apply this to any of the media who went there and got hurt, not just her.

I think everyone has had their say on this and I doubt anyone will be changing their opinions. Probably just ought to let it be.

 

[notquiteright]

Re: Mabey Greg was right

ASSinine fits. Might be a bit too subtle for some.

'Duty is passe' isnt my quote but one from the many chickenhawks who never served-(you seem to suffer from selective reading, perhaps too much time staring into that mirror)- due to the change to an all volunteer military. Its no longer your duty but a life choice. These same wags think being gay is a life choice as well.

Go figure.

These days a citizen can play COD4 and be all salty. Can defend the Constitution infront of a computer as easily as trade stock.

But no matter, I believe this horse was truely and well beaten, even the original pot stirrer thinks so.