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    #1
    I used to think Mike Lee would make an excellent member of SCOTUS.

    Lately he has gone dark and when I do hear from himhe usually pisses me off.

    Maybe Im in error here...

    I can respect his stance if its based on strong Libertarian beliefs. Rand Paul gets that break from me.

    Don't see what these guys expect though regards killing solimeni.

    Do we have to actively be getting punched in the face before we act?

    Having hands tied until taking casualties isn't Libertarian, its stupid.
     
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    Liberal bullshit news this am, Congressman complaining about a briefing. All these corrupt legislators can piss off. Trump 2020

    Pence is stating they have to protect sources and information. Hell yess . Don't tell your enemies in advance what your plans are!!!

    Stephanopolous close your liberal pie hole. (In my defense, I usually watch the local news and turn off the national news(propoganda) @ 7am
     
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    I must be confused. I thought that it had been made very clear that we are at war with terrorism and that we would use whatever means necessary to remove those major players. Once one has already declared war, is it required that all individual actions to accomplish that goal be approved by a politically charged civilian committee, or is it not then up to the military and its leaders (like CIC for instance) to worry about proper strategy and where and when to strike?

    Or, as our complicit sympathizers would like, should we telegraph our every move to the enemy ahead of time so that we can play an expensive, time consuming and elaborate game of hide and seek?
     
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    lash said:
    I must be confused. I thought that it had been made very clear that we are at war with terrorism and that we would use whatever means necessary to remove those major players. Once one has already declared war, is it required that all individual actions to accomplish that goal be approved by a politically charged civilian committee, or is it not then up to the military and its leaders (like CIC for instance) to worry about proper strategy and where and when to strike?

    Or, as our complicit sympathizers would like, should we telegraph our every move to the enemy ahead of time so that we can play an expensive, time consuming and elaborate game of hide and seek?
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    “Global War On Terror”...

    Should this be limited to just a certain sector of the globe?

    As in, “Coming To A Neighborhood Near You”?

    Some people just need killed. I’d rather it be at the Baghdad airport, then downtown USA.
     
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    Yeah, I saw his little tirade yesterday, live, after him coming out of the briefing. That dude can go suck a fat cock. There's a reason they're not telling Congress shit about sources and methods; because they can't keep their fucking mouths shut.

    I get tired of these Congressmen (male/female representatives specifically) thinking that because they were elected, they somehow get SCI/SAP clearances. Here's a fucking clue, you don't. Your ass is in Congress 2 years, possibly more if you get your ass re-elected. You ain't getting a high level security clearance for a 2 year gig (especially as a glorified banker, in charge of the budget). Shut your fucking whiney pie hole and either trust the Intel people to do their jobs, or don't. Don't sit there and whine about not getting all the details (sources and methods), and act all butthurt because you're an elected official, and somehow think you should. Clue #2; you fucking don't.

    How many assets have we already lost, due to some self-privileged, egocentric politician, running their soup cooler, trying to show off how much they're "in-the-know"?

    Fuck that guy...

    <end rant>
     
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    I tend to cut Lee and Paul lots of slack because they are practically the only ones who will stick with their guns over toeing the party line. Often they are correct in principle but the current situation may not allow for that...
     
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    GUN NUT in IA said:
    Personally I don't believe our current "system of government" "works" at all.
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    You're right, we gave the executive carte-blanche to do pretty much whatever the fuck it wants in 2002 because we were scared and now here we are trillions later with nothing to show for it.

    MarinePMI said:
    Yeah, I saw his little tirade yesterday, live, after him coming out of the briefing. That dude can go suck a fat cock. There's a reason they're not telling Congress shit about sources and methods; because they can't keep their fucking mouths shut.

    I get tired of these Congressmen (male/female) thinking that because they were elected, they somehow get SCI/SAP clearances. Here's a fucking clue, you don't. Shut your fucking whiney pie hole and either trust the Intel people to do their jobs, or don't. Don't sit there and whine about not getting all the details (sources and methods), and act all butthurt because you're an elected official.

    How many assets have we already lost, due to some self-privileged, egocentric politician, running their soup cooler, trying to show off how much they're "in-the-know"?

    Fuck that guy...

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    Wasn't everyone just saying to not trust the intel agencies because they were part of the "deep state"? It's almost like the opinion people have of those agencies fluctuates based on whether they tell us what we want to hear or not.
    Congress has oversight powers, doesn't matter if we don't like who is conducting the oversight, unchecked executives are always bad.
     
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    cherokeefan03 said:
    You're right, we gave the executive carte-blanche to do pretty much whatever the fuck it wants in 2002 because we were scared and now here we are trillions later with nothing to show for it.


    Wasn't everyone just saying to not trust the intel agencies because they were part of the "deep state"? It's almost like the opinion people have of those agencies fluctuates based on whether they tell us what we want to hear or not.
    Congress has oversight powers, doesn't matter if we don't like who is conducting the oversight, unchecked executives are always bad.
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    There's a difference in trusting the political appointees and trusting the analysts that do this shit for a living.

    The "deep state" that can't be trusted, are the fucking high level hacks, who have a history of picking and choosing which intel to listen to (Obama's hacks were known for this shit). The word I hear is that Pompeo and others are most definitely NOT in that group. They want to hear the full gambit of interpretations and theories.

    As to oversight, yes, they (Congress) do have it. But it is (realistically) forensic in this day and age, where everything happens at the speed of light. That is what most don't understand. Congress has oversight, but it is usually after the fact. This allows the Executive branch to react accordingly, with the threat of Congressional blow back if they screw up. As has been recently said, we don't have 535 Presidents, deciding if we strike someone. When it comes down to it, it is one person's decision; the person that the American public elected to the office of the POTUS.
     
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    cherokeefan03 said:
    You're right, we gave the executive carte-blanche to do pretty much whatever the fuck it wants in 2002 because we were scared and now here we are trillions later with nothing to show for it.
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    .....and congress has delegated all its responsibility to letter agencies to avoid being held accountable for their actions while the Supreme Court in matters of determining Constitutionality says "Let the voters decide".

    Im sensing we need a reset.
     
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    So if the alt-right in this forum thinks that Sen. Mike Lee (and of course Sen. Mitt Romney) are both backstabbing, commie, socialist, socialist, deep state, leftists, does that mean Utah is now a blue state? Just wondering.
     
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    Blah blah, more noise about politicians doing what they do and or want and nobody doing anything about it. Same old tired shit show. Maybe one day the country will have some balls again and get rid of all these idiots.
     
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    Iran and nth Korea has been a nuisance to society for decades. POTUS inherited this crap. I’m all for letting him kill those cockroaches.
    Fuck those snowflake safe space cry babies, Lee and Paul included.
    Congress did shit when it came to stopping Obama the Terrorist sympathizer from donating a pallet full of cash to the cause. NOW they speak up?? Too late asshole.
     
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    ditter said:
    So if the alt-right in this forum thinks that Sen. Mike Lee (and of course Sen. Mitt Romney) are both backstabbing, commie, socialist, socialist, deep state, leftists, does that mean Utah is now a blue state? Just wondering.
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    Is that the Mitt Romney that laid the blueprint for gov't healthcare in Mass? How about the permanent ban on assault weapons in Mass he gladly signed.
    Lee has good points on some items killing terrorists isn't one of them
     
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    DuneBoer said:
    Just another MoMo. Church first, America second. Fuck him
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    You must be confused friend. I belong to that church and resent the comment. Its God first, Country second. If you listened to Lee's interviews today he explained it well and is totally on board with killing that terrorist scum. Just as with any organization there will be people of diverse opinions. You would be a total fool to paint with such a broad brush....
     
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    Long Range 338 said:
    You must be confused friend. I belong to that church and resent the comment. Its God first, Country second. If you listened to Lee's interviews today he explained it well and is totally on board with killing that terrorist scum. Just as with any organization there will be people of diverse opinions. You would be a total fool to paint with such a broad brush....
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    Sorry to offend. I have issues with religious sects who have gone to war with the US and killed my relatives at Mountain Meadows. Just what I think. It’s America so it’s OK.
     
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    Where were these people when we invaded a sovereign nation with no US base to kill a top terrorist? What about targeting and killing a US Citizen with no right to due process? Seems to me those conditions were fine - because they were terrorists!

    Furthermore, just how do they think we got the information that told us pretty much the exact moment that "enemy combatant" got off the plane and into the vehicle? That asset or connection or whatever it was needs to be protected at the moment. Hell for all we know it was a mullah in Iran who's actually possibly trying to break the cycle! The guy was a terrorist, declared so by obama and his party, on travel ban from the UN not to leave his country and now he is dead - case closed.

    Ayatollah Pelosi would just blab that info or have Shitty Shift blab it and blow com-sec and get people killed. With this group of so-called leaders, starting 79 years ago, we'd be speaking German right now. Would we have not killed Hitler (Goebbels, Himmler, Goering) this way or was he (they) just another bad guy too? This action should transcend politics - left or right.
     
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