See, now heres the REAL argument;
Do you want to tell a chick your dick is 11 inches, or 29.9 centimeters?
Rifle Scopes MOA vs Mil.
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See, now heres the REAL argument;
Do you want to tell a chick your dick is 11 inches, or 29.9 centimeters?
Can you shoot the difference between .1mil and 1/4 moa? Methinks not.
I get it. You shoot 2000yards. You know everything already. Please enlighten us to why you need to compare MOA to inches and why reloading makes your arguments stronger?
@Lowlight, and many others shoot factory ammo 99% of the time. Why the hell would someone waste time reloading if they didn’t need or want to? How would that make them a worse shooter?
Why not tell her your dick is 30 minutes at 1 yard?
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This isn't a proper MOA vs MIL thread without a wind calling comparison.
You're going to need more cant in that taint I'm afraid.
Fuck me. A week or two back I asked about 6.5 vs 308. I am new to this end of the pool. I swear I asked this in fucking earnest. Shit am I sorry.
Wind formulas are a whole nuther ball of wax, but you already know that lol.
Meh, have thick skin, some humility, and a pitch-black sense of humor, and you’ll fit right in.
I reload now, but back in my undefeated competition days, some gov contractor loaded the rounds for me. /shrug
You shot like shit and held no weight in an argument if you didn’t reload.
Or so I learned tonight.
Oh, and inches are important in MOA shooting.
Don't be sorry, we need the entertainment!
Yup. Shot an elk last year at 730 with a 338 Edge. Dealt strait MOA from the rangefinder through the scope. Dropped it in one shot. No need to replace gear because internet opinion had shifted to MIL. 780 yards is far beyond "reasonable" hunting range for any MOA/inch assumptions and anyone attempting such a shot damn well better understand exactly where their bullet will impact. MOA vs inches means nothing within 400 yards with reasonable rounds. If you are going to shoot far with whatever system you better understand it backwards and forwards. That is what is lost in this dick-measuring contest. Neck sizing? Yes, I use that for some rifles, but not others. A number of years ago that was the fad as was a 308 for everybody. Must be an idiot shooting High Master neck sizing my 284....
I'm disappointed that this site is starting to sound like every other internet forum where we can't have a discussion of opinions as the latest fad must overwhelm.
Bud, you starting using the negative language and telling people they were full of shit.
You got your ass handed to you by people that know more, now you want to say we can’t have a proper discussion.
You are the only one taking offense. I nor anyone told you to change or that it was inferior. It’s just different.
So take your highbrow highmaster to a mouthbreather forum where they might be impressed with your lack of comprehension.
The point went over your head.
The answer is, it doesn't matter if you know what exactly 11 inches at 780 is; why? Because its stupid to even do the math.
We need to stop looking at MOA or MIL in inches and CM. It doesn't matter; no one knows with any certainty what 11 inches or 29CM looks like at longer ranges. Just ask anyone who has had people spotting for them with spotting scopes with no reticle in them - its a best guess, at best. The real discussion is eliminating the math and eliminating the guesswork altogether. Use MOA or MIL; who cares. As long as the turrets match the reticle and you have a data card/ballistics program its all the same, with different 'sets' of numbers. Nothing would be more useless to me on the gun, than someone telling me I missed 11 inches low; instead, use the damn system infront of your eye that 100% directly translates to anyone using the same system.
Getting away from inch/cm altogether is the argument because that's why the MOA/MIL question keeps coming up.
I have a 308. I’m staying there right now. If/when I branch out, it’ll most likely be a 6.5.
I expect less logical shit from you.
Know what you know
Know what you don’t know
Never confuse the two
Know what you don’t know
Never confuse the two
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Don't worry about it. It is new to you, we get this every week it seems. If you use the search function there are a bunch of monster threads on this.
“Ummm.......miss right. 12......err, 15 inches”
Would you quit using the term MOA/inches please.
When dialed your scope you did not dial up in inches. You dialed up in fractions of MOA.
You also have to remember that most of the time the guy giving me the call also ranged/figured out the range on target (most of the time; you split jobs depending on whats going on and where you are in the dialogue as to WTF is going on around you). So if hes a dildo and told me he had splash or the trace told him 12 inches off the right side of the guy, I wouldn't even know the fucking range to do MOA/MIL mind acrobatics for to adjust for 12 inches.
Obviously I'd have an idea or could lone wolf it and read the reticle and reengage, but again, WHY use inches/cm?
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Cause ole boy ? there has been doing it 20 years and he placed high in some shit where he could have placed the exact same without thinking in inches.
Ok I’ll bite. Explain.
If you don’t reload, you can’t post here. Pepaw said so.
I see your subtensions and raise you a spin drift.
Got mine ready to rock.
Yes, they actually published that... don't have to look too hard for the problem.
Yes, they actually published that... don't have to look too hard for the problem.
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6mm Dasher was the darling of the benchrest crowd for a good while until it was supplanted by the 6mmBRA. But the Dasher has made some small in roads into PRS.
‘‘Twas the most popular cartridge among the top PRS/NRL shooters this year.
Mainly a joke since this thread went to shit. But I would suggest a 6mm cartridge over 6.5 unless you’re on a budget as far as barrels go.
I've been shooting MOA systems for the last 10 years.... I stopped thinking in "inches" about 9.9 years ago.
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so there's that. Coincidence?
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so there's that. Coincidence?
You didn’t finish “on the podium” at a 2k match or shoot grand whatever the fuck.
Man, HK's never gonna live that down.
Next thread should be Liqui Moly VS Castrol, I'm in.
Next thread should be Liqui Moly VS Castrol, I'm in.
Fucking love police academy.
Since you're shooting MOA, shouldn't you say you stopped thinking in "inches" 9 9/10th years ago? I mean, just to be consistent...
When you do branch out, just don't be getting any ideas about shooting said 6.5 at a mile then telling people you do shoot at a mile. Tends to upset the moa for life shooters who believe that's only for a select few "chosen" cartridges so I have heard.....
