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19's work great with an AAC TiRant ......
I was there when a 1k round torture test was done on one ... no malfunctions ANY way the pistol was held.
19's work great with an AAC TiRant ......
I was there when a 1k round torture test was done on one ... no malfunctions ANY way the pistol was held.
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The only real difference that I've been made aware of mainly has to do with the balance of the weapon. The Glock 17 will give you better balance with more control. There is also some concern that a heavy can will inhibit cycling, as the Glock is recoil operated, not blow-back operated. If you're using decent ammunition, this isn't a concern. Cheap or lighter subsonic ammo may cause malfunction, however.
The only real difference that I've been made aware of mainly has to do with the balance of the weapon. The Glock 17 will give you better balance with more control. There is also some concern that a heavy can will inhibit cycling, as the Glock is recoil operated, not blow-back operated. If you're using decent ammunition, this isn't a concern. Cheap or lighter subsonic ammo may cause malfunction, however.
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Rolexrifleman,
I have a number of suppressed Glocks. Combined with the right can, they are a great pleasure to carry and shoot. The 19 is IMO the best choice (Army deployed 26 and 19, about one (1) "26" for every nine (9) "19"s, about $350,000 worth of barrels and cans). Most 9mms.
The 19 is the least fussy and balances well.
26 has the double spring and actually feels like more recoil. It is a bit fussy, a perfect set-up is required. A 19 barrel cannot be chopped down for a 26. Barrel must be perfectly in spec for thousands of rounds of great use. A properly fitted or pre tuned barreled is required. Speed tuning relieves all the added weight on the barrel/slide providing VERY little wear.
Use a titaniumn Abraxis with the 19. KKM precision makes a superb barrel. They are some of (the?) best barrels in the U.S. right now. Lone Wolf...FAC barrels, etc. NO, do not use them. Their blocks come in slightly over 10tho too tall. Abraxis is, by far, the most successful 9mm silencer ever sold to the U.S. military. So light, so perfectly balanced on the 19 that no Neilson device is required. Think about that.
Why the Abraxis? Although the Abraxis is designed to be fired wet, the dry performance is also remarkable for its size. Not only is it super small, 100% view of your sites. Weight is 3.5 ounces (what? Right!). Its dry, but you can run it with grease. Wet you'll recharge about once every two clips. Quiet, quiet, quiet.
19, least fussy.
Having said all that, I really like carrying the Glock 36 .45 with the Nexus III. All around perfection.
Here is a vid. You can hear the cooling fans, you can here the .45 hit the back, you can hear the shell bouncing on the floor. Much quieter than a .22. Scary Quiet. This is Gen 8 2010, Series III. Muffs on because not alone on the line.
http://s623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/?action=view¤t=MVI_0323.flv
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Rolexrifleman,
I have a number of suppressed Glocks. Combined with the right can, they are a great pleasure to carry and shoot. The 19 is IMO the best choice (Army deployed 26 and 19, about one (1) "26" for every nine (9) "19"s, about $350,000 worth of barrels and cans). Most 9mms.
The 19 is the least fussy and balances well.
26 has the double spring and actually feels like more recoil. It is a bit fussy, a perfect set-up is required. A 19 barrel cannot be chopped down for a 26. Barrel must be perfectly in spec for thousands of rounds of great use. A properly fitted or pre tuned barreled is required. Speed tuning relieves all the added weight on the barrel/slide providing VERY little wear.
Use a titaniumn Abraxis with the 19. KKM precision makes a superb barrel. They are some of (the?) best barrels in the U.S. right now. Lone Wolf...FAC barrels, etc. NO, do not use them. Their blocks come in slightly over 10tho too tall. Abraxis is, by far, the most successful 9mm silencer ever sold to the U.S. military. So light, so perfectly balanced on the 19 that no Neilson device is required. Think about that.
Why the Abraxis? Although the Abraxis is designed to be fired wet, the dry performance is also remarkable for its size. Not only is it super small, 100% view of your sites. Weight is 3.5 ounces (what? Right!). Its dry, but you can run it with grease. Wet you'll recharge about once every two clips. Quiet, quiet, quiet.
19, least fussy.
Having said all that, I really like carrying the Glock 36 .45 with the Nexus III. All around perfection.
Here is a vid. You can hear the cooling fans, you can here the .45 hit the back, you can hear the shell bouncing on the floor. Much quieter than a .22. Scary Quiet. This is Gen 8 2010, Series III. Muffs on because not alone on the line.
http://s623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/?action=view¤t=MVI_0323.flv
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..
Rolexrifleman,
I have a number of suppressed Glocks. Combined with the right can, they are a great pleasure to carry and shoot. The 19 is IMO the best choice (Army deployed 26 and 19, about one (1) "26" for every nine (9) "19"s, about $350,000 worth of barrels and cans). Most 9mms.
The 19 is the least fussy and balances well.
26 has the double spring and actually feels like more recoil. It is a bit fussy, a perfect set-up is required. A 19 barrel cannot be chopped down for a 26. Barrel must be perfectly in spec for thousands of rounds of great use. A properly fitted or pre tuned barreled is required. Speed tuning relieves all the added weight on the barrel/slide providing VERY little wear.
Use a titaniumn Abraxis with the 19. KKM precision makes a superb barrel. They are some of (the?) best barrels in the U.S. right now. Lone Wolf...FAC barrels, etc. NO, do not use them. Their blocks come in slightly over 10tho too tall. Abraxis is, by far, the most successful 9mm silencer ever sold to the U.S. military. So light, so perfectly balanced on the 19 that no Neilson device is required. Think about that.
Why the Abraxis? Although the Abraxis is designed to be fired wet, the dry performance is also remarkable for its size. Not only is it super small, 100% view of your sites. Weight is 3.5 ounces (what? Right!). Its dry, but you can run it with grease. Wet you'll recharge about once every two clips. Quiet, quiet, quiet.
19, least fussy.
Having said all that, I really like carrying the Glock 36 .45 with the Nexus III. All around perfection.
Here is a vid. You can hear the cooling fans, you can here the .45 hit the back, you can hear the shell bouncing on the floor. Much quieter than a .22. Scary Quiet. This is Gen 8 2010, Series III. Muffs on because not alone on the line.
http://s623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/?action=view¤t=MVI_0323.flv
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Simply awesome...gotta get me one of those!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..
Rolexrifleman,
I have a number of suppressed Glocks. Combined with the right can, they are a great pleasure to carry and shoot. The 19 is IMO the best choice (Army deployed 26 and 19, about one (1) "26" for every nine (9) "19"s, about $350,000 worth of barrels and cans). Most 9mms.
The 19 is the least fussy and balances well.
26 has the double spring and actually feels like more recoil. It is a bit fussy, a perfect set-up is required. A 19 barrel cannot be chopped down for a 26. Barrel must be perfectly in spec for thousands of rounds of great use. A properly fitted or pre tuned barreled is required. Speed tuning relieves all the added weight on the barrel/slide providing VERY little wear.
Use a titaniumn Abraxis with the 19. KKM precision makes a superb barrel. They are some of (the?) best barrels in the U.S. right now. Lone Wolf...FAC barrels, etc. NO, do not use them. Their blocks come in slightly over 10tho too tall. Abraxis is, by far, the most successful 9mm silencer ever sold to the U.S. military. So light, so perfectly balanced on the 19 that no Neilson device is required. Think about that.
Why the Abraxis? Although the Abraxis is designed to be fired wet, the dry performance is also remarkable for its size. Not only is it super small, 100% view of your sites. Weight is 3.5 ounces (what? Right!). Its dry, but you can run it with grease. Wet you'll recharge about once every two clips. Quiet, quiet, quiet.
19, least fussy.
Having said all that, I really like carrying the Glock 36 .45 with the Nexus III. All around perfection.
Here is a vid. You can hear the cooling fans, you can here the .45 hit the back, you can hear the shell bouncing on the floor. Much quieter than a .22. Scary Quiet. This is Gen 8 2010, Series III. Muffs on because not alone on the line.
http://s623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/?action=view¤t=MVI_0323.flv
</div></div>
Simply awesome...gotta get me one of those!
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Was told last night from a guy that is not an AWC fan that his .22 suppressed, repeat suppressed (GEMTECH Outback) is louder than this set up. He was not pleased. Frequency shifting is the key, not huge slabs of empty space.
Was told last night from a guy that is not an AWC fan that his .22 suppressed, repeat suppressed (GEMTECH Outback) is louder than this set up. He was not pleased. Frequency shifting is the key, not huge slabs of empty space.
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I've suppressed my G34, G17, G19, G26 and G22, as well as Glock frame with dedicated Advantage Arms .22lr rimfire conversion kit. I've only had issues with the G26.
I've suppressed my G34, G17, G19, G26 and G22, as well as Glock frame with dedicated Advantage Arms .22lr rimfire conversion kit. I've only had issues with the G26.
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If you are going for suppressed pistol, would go for G17 as size is already not an issue. After all G17, was the original glock design and what it was designed for. I have a glock 17 RTF, and couldn't be happier.
If you are going for suppressed pistol, would go for G17 as size is already not an issue. After all G17, was the original glock design and what it was designed for. I have a glock 17 RTF, and couldn't be happier.
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The tests I've seen the abraxas meters wet what a number of cans meter dry. Also didn't cycle a g26. advantage is length of 5.75 vs say a aac tirant at 7.9". so 2". Other advantage is weight at 4oz vs 8oz on the tirant. Price as well. I would guess you get 4-6 shots before the coolant runs out and your going to be pretty loud after that...anyone with input on this?
All depends on what you want to do.
The tests I've seen the abraxas meters wet what a number of cans meter dry. Also didn't cycle a g26. advantage is length of 5.75 vs say a aac tirant at 7.9". so 2". Other advantage is weight at 4oz vs 8oz on the tirant. Price as well. I would guess you get 4-6 shots before the coolant runs out and your going to be pretty loud after that...anyone with input on this?
All depends on what you want to do.
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When you build cans for 30 years the issue becomes what gen is being tested? Allot of folks end up testing a 10 year old AWC against a newly design whatever. AWC absolutely backed away from participating in the typical "tests" because of this issue. When the determination was made that capacity cans were a loosing technology and frequency shifting was the future, dB testing fails. Now I know you already know this, but its not just peak readings...it peak, DURATION and frequency.
That story is in the last four paragraphs here:
http://www.awcsystech.com/about/suppressor-information/
Independent testing:
"When fired dry and with subsonic ammunition, the Abraxas suppressor significantly reduces the report of the P99 to levels that preclude the need for hearing protection, even when the weapon was test-tired indoors in a narrow, short range. American Classic Marksman opened its facilities for our test sessions, and we shot the suppressed P99 close to walls and backstops for audible effect. When the rig was fired wet (with the supplied lubricant which was applied as per the instructions) the reports were quieter still and stayed in that perceived aural range for as many as ten rounds (a full commercial magazine). When fired faster and the Abraxas heated up, noise levels increased; this is merely an indication that the device, when properly used, works as it should. While there is a slight variance of point-of-aim/point-of-impact with the P99 suppressed, it is not so much as to impede the practical accuracy of the shooter. In point of fact, a professional gunner will have calibrated the variables of ammunition, weapon and system and be aware of what to expect from his equipment before the engagement."
1999 Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement by Chris McLoughlin
The whole issue of Glock 26 started and ENDED with Silencer Research.com. So, I'll say it...if the 26 doesn't work (old Titsworth said then NO suppressor would work on a 26) then...
1. wrong ammo, use 147 or 158 as instructed
2. Properly fitted barrel (No 19s cut down) It has to be properly fitted and speed cut. Going to run a 26? Don't be cheap. 26 is fussy, no doubt. But it will run perfectly if set up by pros.
Abraxas wet louder than somebodies dry silencer?....Complete and utter BS. Also, the idea that a wet suppressor is a mess. Get a recharge a tool, load it from the REAR and only 10cc (and twist). Not a mess, no issue at all. Tactical greasing = charge once, two mags. The grease stays there ad infinitum until your ready to go.
Its 3.6 oz of pocket physics not big ass capacity cans.
When you build cans for 30 years the issue becomes what gen is being tested? Allot of folks end up testing a 10 year old AWC against a newly design whatever. AWC absolutely backed away from participating in the typical "tests" because of this issue. When the determination was made that capacity cans were a loosing technology and frequency shifting was the future, dB testing fails. Now I know you already know this, but its not just peak readings...it peak, DURATION and frequency.
That story is in the last four paragraphs here:
http://www.awcsystech.com/about/suppressor-information/
Independent testing:
"When fired dry and with subsonic ammunition, the Abraxas suppressor significantly reduces the report of the P99 to levels that preclude the need for hearing protection, even when the weapon was test-tired indoors in a narrow, short range. American Classic Marksman opened its facilities for our test sessions, and we shot the suppressed P99 close to walls and backstops for audible effect. When the rig was fired wet (with the supplied lubricant which was applied as per the instructions) the reports were quieter still and stayed in that perceived aural range for as many as ten rounds (a full commercial magazine). When fired faster and the Abraxas heated up, noise levels increased; this is merely an indication that the device, when properly used, works as it should. While there is a slight variance of point-of-aim/point-of-impact with the P99 suppressed, it is not so much as to impede the practical accuracy of the shooter. In point of fact, a professional gunner will have calibrated the variables of ammunition, weapon and system and be aware of what to expect from his equipment before the engagement."
1999 Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement by Chris McLoughlin
The whole issue of Glock 26 started and ENDED with Silencer Research.com. So, I'll say it...if the 26 doesn't work (old Titsworth said then NO suppressor would work on a 26) then...
1. wrong ammo, use 147 or 158 as instructed
2. Properly fitted barrel (No 19s cut down) It has to be properly fitted and speed cut. Going to run a 26? Don't be cheap. 26 is fussy, no doubt. But it will run perfectly if set up by pros.
Abraxas wet louder than somebodies dry silencer?....Complete and utter BS. Also, the idea that a wet suppressor is a mess. Get a recharge a tool, load it from the REAR and only 10cc (and twist). Not a mess, no issue at all. Tactical greasing = charge once, two mags. The grease stays there ad infinitum until your ready to go.
Its 3.6 oz of pocket physics not big ass capacity cans.
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sorry to rain on your parade.
The numbers I've seen of wet abraxas are around 128 I've seen the tirant and osprey dry at 124-125ish. Granted they are bigger suppressors. tirant at 8" and osprey at like 7.1 or something. Tirant 1.38" rd osprey similar but it's a box style not round.
I give a lot of credit to abraxas - 1" diameter 5.7" long does pretty darn good. and it's cheaper than other said cans.
sorry to rain on your parade.
The numbers I've seen of wet abraxas are around 128 I've seen the tirant and osprey dry at 124-125ish. Granted they are bigger suppressors. tirant at 8" and osprey at like 7.1 or something. Tirant 1.38" rd osprey similar but it's a box style not round.
I give a lot of credit to abraxas - 1" diameter 5.7" long does pretty darn good. and it's cheaper than other said cans.
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Not to worry, I didn't see it that way at all. I was concerned when you said that a 26 won't cycle that you were relying on Titsworth for your information. 26 wont cycle, 141 dBs one year..132 the next. It's all crap and has been for years. PEAK pressure is 1/3 the story.
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Not to worry, I didn't see it that way at all. I was concerned when you said that a 26 won't cycle that you were relying on Titsworth for your information. 26 wont cycle, 141 dBs one year..132 the next. It's all crap and has been for years. PEAK pressure is 1/3 the story.
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My Trident 9 runs flawlessly on my G19. I was told that to get the gun to cycle reliably the Lone Wolf barrel would need 200-300 rounds down the pipe without the suppressor first. I got the barrel and the can the same day and started shooting without a problem, 1000 rounds later and still no problems.
My Trident 9 runs flawlessly on my G19. I was told that to get the gun to cycle reliably the Lone Wolf barrel would need 200-300 rounds down the pipe without the suppressor first. I got the barrel and the can the same day and started shooting without a problem, 1000 rounds later and still no problems.
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