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I told ya it was a circle.
Excellent chart
Excellent chart
Its one of the better I found to illustrate my points.
I disgaree with parts of it. For example, centrists, swing voters etc belong more towards the intersection of the x-y axis...
Interesting graph.Far left and far right converge on totalitarianism and on "anarchy" as well.
This is about the best I found to visually illustrate. Its a bit off IMO but hits on the main idea I think...
While I see it's conclusions there is something missing.
What is an example of extreme "right" government in the last 100 years?
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Got a faggott, social communist and a lying fuckin Indian as their front runners ! Lmfao!!!!!
Whatever. I refuse to be defined by a binary philosophy. I like some of the Democratic norms and I like some of the Republican norms. I like diversity and flexibility as the world is changing fast in ways we have no precedent for. Republicans/Conservatives want to keep it like it always has been and that is impossible now. We need to change/adapt. Democrats want to "keep the babies safe" and everyone gets a loaf of bread and free health care and nobody ever suffers *ever* even if their objectives are fucked. Not possible - each of US in in charge of our own and responsible for our choices and discipline.
There is no one size to fit all. The enemy is Tyranny and Oppression and that would be?
Yer fucked up Government. For the love of a God I do not believe in. Stop judging yer neighbor according to Left/Right or Black/White or Good/Bad. We are being fucked shitless by our .GOV. That's the problem. Not yer neighbor.
VooDoo
There is no one size to fit all. The enemy is Tyranny and Oppression and that would be?
Yer fucked up Government. For the love of a God I do not believe in. Stop judging yer neighbor according to Left/Right or Black/White or Good/Bad. We are being fucked shitless by our .GOV. That's the problem. Not yer neighbor.
VooDoo
there Is right and wrong, black and white! The grey area shit is why we’re where we are as a fucked up country!
You haven’t met my neighbors!
Actually my neighbors are pretty cool.
I have some extreme leftist relatives that will Not be missed when they finally stop consuming oxygen.
You can refuse all you want. We are still going to define you using our binary philosophy.
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I hate them all, including Trump (though he does make me laugh because I hate his enemies more), but you only have one choice even If it’s just to retard the growth and unconstitutional expansion of government power. The other way is the approval of larger government with more power and less individual liberty. If the above is true and that’s what you believe there is only one party you could be voting for. There is only one party that even pays lip service to a constitutionally restrained Federal Government with limited powers.
That is literally the real definition of “liberalism”.
Think totalitarian theocracy.
Whats strange is the relationship the liberal left believe to have with them.
Its an interesting dynamic.
Read...I don't agree with everything they say but I do agree with a lot of it
Welcome
Hard Right Manifesto
I have no problem with opposing views...I will debate until it becomes uncivil. It usually does when they can't beat you at their own game.
My Dad told me when you find yourself in an argument and your voice continues to get louder, you need a new argument...most liberal types crash and burn in an actual debate.
That is one of the few things Trump does correctly...he drives them crazy....apeshit...just using words. It is a gift.
Nope...there is a hard right...no one wants to admit they are a part of it. I have no issue with saying I am even though I am not a Southern Baptist...
Because some of us:
Are tired of the stupid shit.
Are above 45, and are tired of the stupid shit.
Are a bit cranky.
Have suffered enough foolishness for 3 lifetimes.
Are tired of suffering fools.
Aren't gonna take this shit anymore.
Ain't afraid of death anymore.
So a good, righteous, hard working man who wants to pave his own way and be left the hell alone is hard right. Exactly my point. Hard left evil. Hard right good people.
The communist left paints the hard right as villains and radical. Its an indoctrination tactic. Its sick.
Just goes to underline how far the Overton Window has shifted
saying you are a right leaning democrat is the same as you are a little pregnant. If you back any leftwing idea, you are the enemy. It's the one drop rule........
Most paint the Hard Right with being Nazis and loving totalitarianism...nothing is further from the truth. Most of us believe that too much has been taken away by the communists/socialist factions. Everyday it gets worse. I am supposed to accept the vilification of my beliefs, my heritage and my love of God and country. I am supposed to accept that the ongoing threat and conversion of children to accept unnatural ways of life is normal. That winning and personal excellence is something to be ashamed of. I am supposed to apologize for being Caucasian and full of privilege.
I am just supposed to shut the fuck up and watch the decay continue.
Well...fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I won't...end of story
It'S not the individual people that concern me. It's the power hungry wannabe dictators that have the ability to make life suck. Ask the 2A crowd in VA how they like their elected officials. I truly believe that most folks on the politically conservative side are live and let live type people. Unfortunately, many on the opposite side feel the way they do, and want to force that on everyone else. I intend to fight for my rights if need be. If they chose not to exercise the rights they've been endowed with, that's on them, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna lay down for them so they can feel better.
As far as being open to different political views, that shit don't fly anymore. Many on the left would just as soon we die. Do you honestly believe any of them are sitting around considering our point of view on anything? They don't give a fuck about what we think for the most part. The level of division between amongst the people in this country hasn't been this bad since before the civil war. That's not my opinion. People a lot smarter than me have ways of gauging that kind of stuff, and recently produced a report stating such. I wish we could all find a way to get along, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna crawl in a hole when some asshole with a mask and a bad attitude comes down the street. If you'll notice, not many democrat "leaders" ever come out and condemn antifa or political violence.
I want someone to school me on how this is supposed to work. The left is absolutely not gonna compromise their viewpoints, and I, and many others have no intention of compromising. Every time conservatives compromise, we get screwed. What has the left so pissed off now, is that the other side is finally fighting back.
Things I don't believe in:
Infringment on any of my inalienable rights.
Unmitigated Illegal immigration.
Abortion early late and in the middle.
Welfare.
Sanctuary cities.
H1B visas and anything anywhere near them.
Being forced to agree/abide by someone elses sexual preference.
Wanting the Government to bail my ass out for just about anything I can think of.
Paying for someone's sex changes
Allowing parents to change the sexual/gender identity of their children.
Hiring someone based on the color of their skin.
Forcing "diversity" into any public/private entity.
Making deals with foreign countries/Gov entities that screw the tax payers.
Allowing Corps/Big Bussinesses to hire imported cheap labor.
The above is a sample.
R
Infringment on any of my inalienable rights.
Unmitigated Illegal immigration.
Abortion early late and in the middle.
Welfare.
Sanctuary cities.
H1B visas and anything anywhere near them.
Being forced to agree/abide by someone elses sexual preference.
Wanting the Government to bail my ass out for just about anything I can think of.
Paying for someone's sex changes
Allowing parents to change the sexual/gender identity of their children.
Hiring someone based on the color of their skin.
Forcing "diversity" into any public/private entity.
Making deals with foreign countries/Gov entities that screw the tax payers.
Allowing Corps/Big Bussinesses to hire imported cheap labor.
The above is a sample.
R
Exactly!
We have put up with this shit, and been patient, and let this petulant child walk all over us.
We have recently hauled off, and fried their jaws real good. Donald Trump was one hell of a hard slap. Oh no, we didn't want "the slap", we preferred to avoid it.
Now the petulant child, instead of stopping to think, has launched into a full blown tantrum.
We have slapped them several more times, and the tantrum continues unabated.
Soon a straightjacket will be in order. It's for their own good.
So true. If you really want to see a tantrum, wait till november.
You may hate Trump, but there are many things that you can not deny he has accomplished........
Lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years, lowest of all minorities, including women........the best economy in more than 50 years..........more records broken in the stock market in the last year than ever .........supports our military, and police, trying to build a wall to slow down the flow of illegal's coming into our country.......wanting every country to pay their way in NATIO......... clearing the Obama left overs out of the swamp.............hopefully he will continue to purge the never Trumpers.........and do something about the unconstitutional bullshit that is coming from the house.......
you vote for whoever is left of the Dem's slim offering............my vote will be for the President Of The United States..............for 4 more years........
Donald J. Trump...........????????
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The Third Reich.
The USSR.
Communist China.
These all fit the definition of "far right". Marked by strong national identity and even racial points. Military culture and structure is revered by the people and given celebrity status.
Far left?
Sweden right now would be a good example. Genderfluid every fucking thing. Let in everybody from every third world shithole and prosecute anyone who dares to object. Destroy national and historical icons and call the changes "progressive"...
At least the far right regimes had some justification for what they had done, in order to preserve their national identity and cultural heritage. Not a defense of the heinous actions that they have engaged in, just an observation. The far left, on the other hand, is like a parasite. It's main goal seems to be just to infect a host, replicate, feed, kill the host, and move on to a new host.
Welfare has its place. Anyone can lose a job and need help to get back on their feet. For ex. what if you get hurt, cant work, lose your job and now no income all the while the med bills are piling up. This person may need a helping hand getting squared away.
Another welfare Idea that "seems" like it might be a good idea. We have a huge problem with absentee fathers. Also, anyone who ever paid for daycare knows damn well that the cost of even two kids in daycare would eat up every dime of a single moms wage working a low pay job. Spare me the "it was her choice to have kids". It is true; but that's a different conversation. I think I could get behind giving this single mom free daycare while she is either working and/or going to college to get the education she needs to start making some better $$$.
Uneducated single mothers are really in a STUCK situation where working and paying daycare gets them a net ZERO $$$ and takes the only parent away from the kids most of the day. Bad for kids. Access to free daycare while working or going to school may be able to take these STUCK moms and turn them into tax payers with pride of ownership. Keep in mind that daycare isn't forever either.
Think about how much a welfare mom with a few kids soaks the system while giving back nothing. Wouldn't it make more sense to use that $$$ to pay for the kids daycare and allow the mom to work or go to school? So she can gain either experience and/or get the education need to make more $$$? Sitting at home she gains neither education nor experience.
Another welfare Idea that "seems" like it might be a good idea. We have a huge problem with absentee fathers. Also, anyone who ever paid for daycare knows damn well that the cost of even two kids in daycare would eat up every dime of a single moms wage working a low pay job. Spare me the "it was her choice to have kids". It is true; but that's a different conversation. I think I could get behind giving this single mom free daycare while she is either working and/or going to college to get the education she needs to start making some better $$$.
Uneducated single mothers are really in a STUCK situation where working and paying daycare gets them a net ZERO $$$ and takes the only parent away from the kids most of the day. Bad for kids. Access to free daycare while working or going to school may be able to take these STUCK moms and turn them into tax payers with pride of ownership. Keep in mind that daycare isn't forever either.
Think about how much a welfare mom with a few kids soaks the system while giving back nothing. Wouldn't it make more sense to use that $$$ to pay for the kids daycare and allow the mom to work or go to school? So she can gain either experience and/or get the education need to make more $$$? Sitting at home she gains neither education nor experience.
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If I had a tantrum when I was a kid, I got the fuck beat out of me!
Something is off.The Third Reich.
The USSR.
Communist China.
These all fit the definition of "far right". Marked by strong national identity and even racial points. Military culture and structure is revered by the people and given celebrity status.
Far left?
Sweden right now would be a good example. Genderfluid every fucking thing. Let in everybody from every third world shithole and prosecute anyone who dares to object. Destroy national and historical icons and call the changes "progressive"...
At least the far right regimes had some justification for what they had done, in order to preserve their national identity and cultural heritage. Not a defense of the heinous actions that they have engaged in, just an observation. The far left, on the other hand, is like a parasite. It's main goal seems to be just to infect a host, replicate, feed, kill the host, and move on to a new host.
The third Reich NAZIs were socialists.
Communism is a leftist set of ideals
Same for China.
R
Y'all missin the point of the diagram. Once you reach a certain point they are all basically the same. Sure there are some differences in economics and other social policies. But they converge on totalitarian. And hence deny individual liberties and freedoms.
Socialism is an economic policy.
Communism is a governmental policy.
Socialism is the economic policy of communist governments.
Not exactly.
The government has been ruthlessly and systematically destroying the role of Men, fathers and husbands in the family unit for a long time now, in order to make the stupid women see the "government" as their "provider" and vote all power to the government. With a little, hey you can be as irresponsible as you want, we'll find some man to enslave to pay for it.
Go back 70 or so years ago and families were very important to a certain "minority" type that today is epitomized by baby mamas and no fathers in sight.
This was done on purpose and stupid men were not willing to be the hard men they should have been back when it could have been stopped.
Yep, I tried it exactly once when I was about 5. Had seen another kid do it in a store and it looked like a good idea. I guess his momma was a "patient" sort.
I never tried that shit again.
The original Marxist definition of communism is a leftist platform and is what is motivating the current leftist spectrum. Many "communist" regimes that rose during the 20th century borrowed the term in name only and pursued their own goals. Maoist China was run on legalist principles, which originated from a bureaucrat named Li Si during the Qin Dynasty. Mao Zedong even envisioned himself as the new Qin emperor Shi Huangdi, unifying China and leading it out of it's third 'Warring States' period. During the Long March of the Red Army from Nanchang to Yunan, Mao would only read texts and scrolls that originated during the imperial Qin, and he would spend hours perusing these texts, as Zhou Enlai, his closest ally and right hand figure, would later document.
I agree. However, I wont go so far as to say i think that was the intention from the onset; as opposed to an unintended consequence of overly generous socialist policy.
That being said, Yes! back in the 50's the marriage rates among blacks were roughly equal to that of whites. It wasn't until... what was it? Roosevelts new deal or something that started giving people free shiz and the rest as they say is history.
Likewise. And like me , I'm sure when you grew up you didn't throw tantrums anymore. That's what's wrong with these triggered basement dwellers. They didn't get their asses beat. No discipline, no direction, and questionable education. Can't spank little Johnny, might hurt his feelings. We're dealing with a whole generation that never got chastised, never lost a game, always got a ribbon just for showing up. Have you ever seen anything so pathetic as a bunch of (so-called) grown-ups go out into the street and scream at the sky because their girl lost an election. Lose their fuckin minds at the thought that someone is speaking on a campus, saying things they don't agree with. I don't want to get to know them. I don't want to be their friends. I don't care what they believe, because they act like they're still 3 years old. Breaking and burning shit and attacking people with differing viewpoints doesn't gain you respect. It scares some folks, and others want to whip your ass for acting like that in public.
You've just described any oppressive government, labels are for those governed.
R
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Read up on how scared the Democrats got of the Black Power Movement at the start of the civil rights era and how they started pushing drugs, welfare (if the dad wasn't at home), "gun control" and criminalizing everyone to destroy what they perceived as a real threat to the rule of the democrats.
i have not seen or read it, but i suspect the mockingbird media has brainwashed half of america.
Welfare has NO place. The hard times you described can be overcome by family and tight nit communities. Government should have no role in it. My money belongs in my pocket regardless of someone elses circumstances. If you feel for the single mom on hard times then help out someone locally as YOUR choice out of your own pocket. Hell if I wasn’t taxed out my ass maybe I would choose to do the same.
Hell, just look at the examples we have right in front of us. Cities that used to embody the American dream are drowning in squalor. Booked your trip to San Francisco yet? Maybe a stay in lovely detroit. Visit the arch in wonderful St.Lois. How about Baltimore, where you can just "get it out of your system". How much better was your world under the leadership of BHO? I am in full agreement with you. Name ONE place of any size currently under complete democrat control that is improving. Hell, look what happened in D.C. back in '08 when the dems had full control. What did the country get. Bank bailouts, cash for clunkers, and the leading edge of obamacare, a bunch of minimum wage jobs, and free cell phones(for some).
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