Two hurricanes at a time. 5 beachfront homes on stilts went down in less than an hour in the Carolina's!. Not much wind, just waves...
Moved to Florida over 30-years ago. Never seen Anything Like this. 5-beach homes collapsed today in the Carolinas.
- Thread starter JAS-SH
- Start date
Yeah, I probably shouldn’t laugh, but having been in Florida mostly since ‘81, I laugh at stupidity in the face of Mother Nature.I am glad that Hurricane Andrew, which wiped out the southern tip of Florida, caused the major improvements in Florida building codes. Then, the trifecta of hurricanes hitting Florida in 2004, which prompted even further improvements in the codes.
Additionally, I think it’s a travesty that Florida decided to make all property owners subsidize the state insurance used by the folks who just must live on the beach. At the time that insurance companies were allowed to bail on covering coastal properties.
Humans aren’t even a pimple on the mother earth’s ass. We exist because she lets us.
We exist because God lets us. Nature has been trying to kill us from the beginning.
Nature has always been able to counteract whatever any species throws at it, and then some.
I’m a geologist nerd as well, lol the Great Unconformity is mind blowing. The geological record is missing 1.2-1.5 BILLION years of history!
This is my cousin. Retired Oil & Gas geologist that makes YouTube videos now.
Be nice. He isn’t an asshole like me
It's insane that some people believe that they majorly contribute to making, and make changes of this..
-
-
I knew in the 90’s in high school that it was a scam. It is, was, always will be the Sun that drives weather. And water vapor FAR EXCEEDS CO2 for greenhouse gas.
I’m a geologist nerd as well, lol the Great Unconformity is mind blowing. The geological record is missing 1.2-1.5 BILLION years of history!
This is my cousin. Retired Oil & Gas geologist that makes YouTube videos now.
Be nice. He isn’t an asshole like me
I just watched that entire video.
Thanks for posting that.
Every hurricane them houses make national news. I think the owners keep them for sympathy at this point
All one has to do is to look at the percentage of change of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last century to know its all bullshit.
Last edited:
I am glad that Hurricane Andrew, which wiped out the southern tip of Florida, caused the major improvements in Florida building codes. Then, the trifecta of hurricanes hitting Florida in 2004, which prompted even further improvements in the codes.
Additionally, I think it’s a travesty that Florida decided to make all property owners subsidize the state insurance used by the folks who just must live on the beach. At the time that insurance companies were allowed to bail on covering coastal properties.
I recall hearing of the devastation in the NE caused by hurricane Sandy. I'm thinking CAT 4, CAT 5? Shocked to learn it was a CAT 1.
Stop, just.....stop.
Your lifespan is a blip of time, not even the blink of an eye since the beginning.
The VERY same thing was happening 500 years ago. There were the same hurricanes then. Our total "complete" record of hurricane data spans 50 years, tops. We know there were some bad hurricanes in the 1700s because they were written about. We have no real data on them.
Those barrier islands shifted and moved for millenia, until man started manipulating them and building on them.
Remember when the hurricane cut a new inlet at Friscoe? Yeah...you probably don't.
There is a reason a new inlet was cut by a hurricane in that spot. It is also partially the reason they are losing houses. The biggest reason they keep losing beach there, is they filled that new inlet BACK IN!!
The reason they keep losing houses on the Outer Banks....BECAUSE THE DUMB BASTARDS BUILT HOUSES THERE TO BEGIN WITH!!
Your lifespan is a blip of time, not even the blink of an eye since the beginning.
The VERY same thing was happening 500 years ago. There were the same hurricanes then. Our total "complete" record of hurricane data spans 50 years, tops. We know there were some bad hurricanes in the 1700s because they were written about. We have no real data on them.
Those barrier islands shifted and moved for millenia, until man started manipulating them and building on them.
Remember when the hurricane cut a new inlet at Friscoe? Yeah...you probably don't.
There is a reason a new inlet was cut by a hurricane in that spot. It is also partially the reason they are losing houses. The biggest reason they keep losing beach there, is they filled that new inlet BACK IN!!
The reason they keep losing houses on the Outer Banks....BECAUSE THE DUMB BASTARDS BUILT HOUSES THERE TO BEGIN WITH!!
Cry me a river. Sorry about their luck. Those houses were one more hurricane from gone already.
These hurricanes are NOTHING SPECIAL and this os not global warming climate change or ANYTHING else. Not the harbinger of Armegeddon nor wrath of God, etc ad nauseum.
Thos is weather. Like has been for thousands of years.
The problem:
These hurricanes are NOTHING SPECIAL and this os not global warming climate change or ANYTHING else. Not the harbinger of Armegeddon nor wrath of God, etc ad nauseum.
Thos is weather. Like has been for thousands of years.
The problem:
What pisses me off are the idiots who build 10 yards off the beach, park their cars under their homes... and then act surprised when everything gets washed away...
Same for people who build 15 feet off a river.
Then they get to claim it on their insurance, and everyone who isn't as stupid has to cover it with their premiums.
I lived in coastal NC for 14 years. My first criteria before I bought my home was 'is it in a flood zone'. My current home sits 45 yards from a swim able creek, but I'm 15' above it.
Same for people who build 15 feet off a river.
Then they get to claim it on their insurance, and everyone who isn't as stupid has to cover it with their premiums.
I lived in coastal NC for 14 years. My first criteria before I bought my home was 'is it in a flood zone'. My current home sits 45 yards from a swim able creek, but I'm 15' above it.
I’m a geologist nerd as well, lol the Great Unconformity is mind blowing. The geological record is missing 1.2-1.5 BILLION years of history!
This is my cousin. Retired Oil & Gas geologist that makes YouTube videos now.
Be nice. He isn’t an asshole like me
Incredible content. I geeked out for 45 minutes this morning.
When I think of us puny humans being so arrogant as to think that we can effect any change in something so incredible, it makes me laugh. What hubris is this?!
I’m literally a nerd in real life. I just play asshole on the internetIncredible content. I geeked out for 45 minutes this morning.
When I think of us puny humans being so arrogant as to think that we can effect any change in something so incredible, it makes me laugh. What hubris is this?!
One week ago was my 10th year anniversary in my home in Tampa Bay. I'm very much aware of the lure of "on/near shore" living, combined with my experiences as a summer resident of Martha's Vineyard for most of my young adult llfe. Still, I knew then (when I was shopping in FL for a house) that it was a bad idea to be *that* shore based, given things like OBX or the Jersey Shore Winter storms, etc. And it still is.
I bought my house 35 miles East of the Gulf Shore. Over the past 10 years, my only concerns would be "wind damage" from storms (which still is a concern) and just general flooding. I live 30 yards away from a "dry" river bed in my back yard. Not so dry when it's "Storm season" (both 'Caines and Tornadoes). But, oddly enough, it's the daily thunderbumpers that cause the most concern as those will result in the most accumulation in that river bed, over time.
Hope it stays "lucky" for me....
I bought my house 35 miles East of the Gulf Shore. Over the past 10 years, my only concerns would be "wind damage" from storms (which still is a concern) and just general flooding. I live 30 yards away from a "dry" river bed in my back yard. Not so dry when it's "Storm season" (both 'Caines and Tornadoes). But, oddly enough, it's the daily thunderbumpers that cause the most concern as those will result in the most accumulation in that river bed, over time.
Hope it stays "lucky" for me....
Last edited:
I know my friends in Western, NC never imagined they’d be impacted from a hurricane like they were. They’re mountain folk.
Are they new residents or halfbacks? Not natives or long time locals.
I lived there for over 25 years and i can assure you, it wasn't the first time hurricanes destroyed a bunch of western NC and east TN.
2004, Francis, then a week later Ivan, dropped a total of 60 inches of water on my mountain.
Many places in South Hominy looked like a bomb went off.
Helene was a perfect storm that entered the French Broad valley at just the correct angle, then stalled.
Again. Unfortunate. Catastophic. But absolutely nothing new.
It was just a matter of time. Last time it happened to that magnitude, there just wasn't that many buildings and infrastructure. It will happen again as long as time lasts.
I just started Alaska by John Grisham. The first chapter is all bout the force of the contienental drift and how Alaska ahd the mountains there were formed. Incredible.Incredible content. I geeked out for 45 minutes this morning.
When I think of us puny humans being so arrogant as to think that we can effect any change in something so incredible, it makes me laugh. What hubris is this?!
Same with Camille and Lovingston Virginia. Two hundred miles from the ocean and wiped out. Generations of mountain folk just washed away.
One born and raised in West Jefferson. Another in Grassy Creek for 30 years. One born in Independence. They probably have seen a lot of shit. I shouldn’t be speaking for them but I know factually they acted like that was the worst thing they’ve been through there. I remember the roads often getting washed out with rock slides and mud growing up in E TN. I probably just don’t remember many of the storms.
Stupid asses building and rebuilding right on Nature's Fuck You turf.
We need Sam Kinison back. He could do a whole skit on people like this.
Same thing but about people and desert......
The outer banks are essentially sand bars that have been around long enough for vegetation to grow on. There’s no bedrock to seat the piling into making them very susceptible to washout, and the stilts are irrelevant when the wave tops reach the base of the house.
Anyone that has spent time frequenting the same beach, and actually spends time in the water, knows how often the surf zone shifts from the movement of the sand on the floor. That happens under normal weather and tidal changes, a significant storm makes huge changes to the bottom to include cutting new channels right through an “island”.
Building anywhere, the first question should always be “What made the land the way it is, and how am I not going to suffer the same consequences while I’m still alive?”
Cliffs continue eroding, beaches move in every direction, draws and canyons get deeper, forests and grasslands burn to reproduce, deserts get drier and swamps get wetter, young mountains continue upward thrust and old mountains erode further. Catastrophic events changed the landscape and our little blip in time watching it happed has only seen 0.00001% of what Mother Nature’s wrath is capable of. The media’s “UNPRECEDENTED WEATHER EVENT!!!” screams are laughable because it’s all happened before and we’ve not seen anywhere close to the worst of it.
Earth, Wind, Fire and Water: They always win in the end. And asteroids, can’t forget about asteroids.
Anyone that has spent time frequenting the same beach, and actually spends time in the water, knows how often the surf zone shifts from the movement of the sand on the floor. That happens under normal weather and tidal changes, a significant storm makes huge changes to the bottom to include cutting new channels right through an “island”.
Building anywhere, the first question should always be “What made the land the way it is, and how am I not going to suffer the same consequences while I’m still alive?”
Cliffs continue eroding, beaches move in every direction, draws and canyons get deeper, forests and grasslands burn to reproduce, deserts get drier and swamps get wetter, young mountains continue upward thrust and old mountains erode further. Catastrophic events changed the landscape and our little blip in time watching it happed has only seen 0.00001% of what Mother Nature’s wrath is capable of. The media’s “UNPRECEDENTED WEATHER EVENT!!!” screams are laughable because it’s all happened before and we’ve not seen anywhere close to the worst of it.
Earth, Wind, Fire and Water: They always win in the end. And asteroids, can’t forget about asteroids.
He is well spoken and makes is tard simple to understand. Just my speed.
I’m a geologist nerd as well, lol the Great Unconformity is mind blowing. The geological record is missing 1.2-1.5 BILLION years of history!
This is my cousin. Retired Oil & Gas geologist that makes YouTube videos now.
Be nice. He isn’t an asshole like me
I learned more about geology in the first 5 minutes of that video than I remember from two semesters in college!
Great video. Thanks for posting!
Something, something... do not build your house on sand... something something
us inland poors subsidizing the beach front richies burns my ass. OK back in the 1920s maybe people hadn't figured it out. after a 'caine or 2 should have been obvious. amazes me that most of the huge multi story high rise buildings all over the coast are still standing. they're built on sand. i remember the ones we would spend a week in in the 50s were all 2 story max those prob built in the 40s. they were still there last time i saw. i wonder when my state is gonna' sink into the earth.
Being near the water is simple but just a bit more expensive - not much by the way. Builders here in the USA just screw us and then build crap, stick houses with plywood roofs.
In PR (spent some years there) anyone that builds a house, they ALL build a fortress in comparison. And, it's not as expensive as you think. The homes start with a well shored foundation (not just a slab), and all outside walls and in more expensive homes. ALL walls are built of solid reinforced concrete.
Builders here take us like sheep to the shear pen. Flimsy homes at a great profit for them is what you get, which is armed robbery.
Do you know how cheap it is to form a wall with plywood, put rebar in it and pour concrete in the form? In PR they even pour roofs and then put tiles on it. We are being scammed here. Even poor people in PR have them.
Here in FL, we searched around and found a great house on an island two streets from the water. Built in 1967 and built to the aforementioned standards. It's a tank. Bought (stole it) for $167K 32 years ago. It's worth a fortune today. It might get some water (no water in 32-years and a good number of storms (knock on concrete) in it but it's well built not going anywhere.
In PR (spent some years there) anyone that builds a house, they ALL build a fortress in comparison. And, it's not as expensive as you think. The homes start with a well shored foundation (not just a slab), and all outside walls and in more expensive homes. ALL walls are built of solid reinforced concrete.
Builders here take us like sheep to the shear pen. Flimsy homes at a great profit for them is what you get, which is armed robbery.
Do you know how cheap it is to form a wall with plywood, put rebar in it and pour concrete in the form? In PR they even pour roofs and then put tiles on it. We are being scammed here. Even poor people in PR have them.
Here in FL, we searched around and found a great house on an island two streets from the water. Built in 1967 and built to the aforementioned standards. It's a tank. Bought (stole it) for $167K 32 years ago. It's worth a fortune today. It might get some water (no water in 32-years and a good number of storms (knock on concrete) in it but it's well built not going anywhere.
Last edited:
We wanted to do ICF on the house were building now. It was going to be 3x the cost of a very well built stick frame with exterior insulation and all the high wind storm engineering and build. $200/yd concrete adds up fast.....
I’m a geologist nerd as well, lol the Great Unconformity is mind blowing. The geological record is missing 1.2-1.5 BILLION years of history!
This is my cousin. Retired Oil & Gas geologist that makes YouTube videos now.
Be nice. He isn’t an asshole like me
I live in Shoshoni, WY and I must say your cousin's video is the best explanation of the geology of the Wind River Canyon that I have seen.
Good point but if I can offer a counter or clarification --
1) would you still say as much if you lived in the sticks and had to mind your well water and your septic field being near to each other?
2) would you agree that ignoring the need for clean natural water (creeks, streams, rivers, bays, estuaries, oceans) means you will see loss of aquatic life, including the fish and shellfish you may find good eating?
3) would you agree that if you move into a house with great shady trees surrounding it, in a place that sees a lot of sunshine and thus a lot of solar gain inside your house (potentially), that if you cut down those trees your house will get hotter inside during the warmer months of the year?
There is a tendency among conservative-minded people to forget that conservative means conserving. Not wasting. Conservative isn't about a slogan, nor is it about hating leftists or what they pitch politically. It's about keeping what's good. Look up Chesterton's Fence.
Too remote? Not enough connections suggested?
Humans can influence their environment. Same time, planets have their own situations on orbit and how that affects the planet's temperatures. It's not just one or the other, that humans can't influence the environment since planets have their own gig. Logically speaking that's not a response but a deflection. I gave several immediate examples of influencing your environment.
You could research "heat island effect" from urban development patterns including how congested is a city's traffic for how many hours a day, how much the lights are kept on when nobody's working, etc.
If the modern greenies are trying to grab power via "global warming" narratives, the fact that they are disturbers and revolutionaries does not automatically mean there is no warming potential separate from orbital gigs.
Humans can influence their environment. Same time, planets have their own situations on orbit and how that affects the planet's temperatures. It's not just one or the other, that humans can't influence the environment since planets have their own gig. Logically speaking that's not a response but a deflection. I gave several immediate examples of influencing your environment.
You could research "heat island effect" from urban development patterns including how congested is a city's traffic for how many hours a day, how much the lights are kept on when nobody's working, etc.
If the modern greenies are trying to grab power via "global warming" narratives, the fact that they are disturbers and revolutionaries does not automatically mean there is no warming potential separate from orbital gigs.
Similar threads
