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That's my #1 fear when we bring a junkie back.....
And why I always handcuff them prior to revival.
And why I always handcuff them prior to revival.
Where is Rodrigo Duterte when we need him? He has a unique way of dealing with this fucking problem...
This shit is getting really old.
This shit is getting really old.
Can’t you let them just die, just as intended?
I guess I could be proactive and just google Narcan. But Ill be lazy and just ask you guys. WTF is Narcan?
The police around here were carrying NARCAN but were not allowed to have an EPI PEN to save a kid with a peanut allergy!!! There was a pretty big stink about it and I am not sure how it was resolved.
I think the next trend at the very least, is a rash of 'narcan administrators' JAMMING.
Just replace NARCAN with a NaCN injection.
If they come back from that it was divine intervention and they might deserve a second chance in life.
If they come back from that it was divine intervention and they might deserve a second chance in life.
This is how you handle this shit: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...-jones-my-deputies-wont-use-narcan/457229001/
Butler County Sheriff Rick Jones: My deputies won't use Narcan
Butler County Sheriff Rick Jones: My deputies won't use Narcan
There's no fucking way I'm calling 911 for a dying junkie on the street. I'll step on his corpse on my way to wherever I'm going.
What are you mad about? A worthless dopehead killing a useful human being after being shown mercy? Or that most of us a fucking tired of that shit and would rather leave them die on the sidewalk?
Whose fucking side are you on?
My sadness and anger was because a good man was murdered by an asswipe.
Think before you type.
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Perhaps it might be useful in the future to haul said junkie out and search them, restrain them then give them the wakeup juice.
As the world gets worse, no good deed goes unpunished and you have to be careful with those you are trying to help.
Part of it however was the fact that the police were about to arrest him and the guy knew it, if you watch the whole video, you'll see what set the final shootout off was when the police were demanding to search him & you could see him getting really cagey about it because he knew the police would find drugs and guns on him. Should have been done before they woke him up or at least restrained him first.
The police officer even says "You've got what looks like a little bulge on your right hip"... That should have been the clue to at least have your gun out of the holster even if not pointed at someone.
I'm assuming from this tragedy they will probably put something in place about handcuff said junkie first before giving them the wakeup meds.
In the video however the police did actually do their best to be as professional as possible once the shootout started and were correctly all about stopping the threat and then offering aid and such. So They did a perfect by the book job after the shootout started, it's just a lot of mistakes were made before it started.
When dealing with snakes.... Of course they are going to try to bite you.
As the world gets worse, no good deed goes unpunished and you have to be careful with those you are trying to help.
Part of it however was the fact that the police were about to arrest him and the guy knew it, if you watch the whole video, you'll see what set the final shootout off was when the police were demanding to search him & you could see him getting really cagey about it because he knew the police would find drugs and guns on him. Should have been done before they woke him up or at least restrained him first.
The police officer even says "You've got what looks like a little bulge on your right hip"... That should have been the clue to at least have your gun out of the holster even if not pointed at someone.
I'm assuming from this tragedy they will probably put something in place about handcuff said junkie first before giving them the wakeup meds.
In the video however the police did actually do their best to be as professional as possible once the shootout started and were correctly all about stopping the threat and then offering aid and such. So They did a perfect by the book job after the shootout started, it's just a lot of mistakes were made before it started.
When dealing with snakes.... Of course they are going to try to bite you.
PC policies killed that EMT. Like y’all said, the officer saw the buldge in his shirt, asked the perp about it, and told him not to reach for it. That POS should have been face planted on the concrete the second his right arm moved. Instead, these officers stood there and watched him pull his gun, and froze, because they didn’t know what to do. These officers were handcuffed themselves, by policy, because they didn’t want to end up on CNN roughing up a defenseless black man.
That’s my opinion after watching the video.
That’s my opinion after watching the video.
You know what would really fix these problems? Stop using narcan on pieces of human excrement. Let them die where they fall.
this guys is right. No need for cops or praramedics to be invilved with people attempting suicide, fuckem.
Appleton Wisconsin is a tiny town.
Appleton Wisconsin is a tiny town.
This is how you handle this shit: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...-jones-my-deputies-wont-use-narcan/457229001/
Butler County Sheriff Rick Jones: My deputies won't use Narcan
Dang.
We always tied em down in the ER. So will experienced paramedics.
Had a high class citizen come in to the trauma OR a giant left chest stab wound last year.
Surgeon is placing a chest tube to save his life (he was close) when he reached and grabbed her hand with the scalpel, as anesthesia was slow on putting him out of it for a bit for the procedure.
One hand on his wrist and one on his throat squeezing got him to let go.
Others in the room were shocked at what I did. The surgeon had seen it before and thanked me. Too many years of real work and the BS ways of dealing with that are gone and only the useful ways are used.
Rancid puke lived........
We always tied em down in the ER. So will experienced paramedics.
Had a high class citizen come in to the trauma OR a giant left chest stab wound last year.
Surgeon is placing a chest tube to save his life (he was close) when he reached and grabbed her hand with the scalpel, as anesthesia was slow on putting him out of it for a bit for the procedure.
One hand on his wrist and one on his throat squeezing got him to let go.
Others in the room were shocked at what I did. The surgeon had seen it before and thanked me. Too many years of real work and the BS ways of dealing with that are gone and only the useful ways are used.
Rancid puke lived........
That would take us first having a change in political leadership as well as justice reform.
Today it would simply mean a multi million dollar payout from the taxpayers to some lawyers / scum.
Did you miss the fact that the Butler County (Ohio) Sheriff refuses to issue narcan doses to his deputies? None of the sky-is-falling stuff you fear has happened there.
I'll celebrate after the first lawsuit based on that is actually thrown out of court.
Also does the local EMT take care of it anyway if the LE department won't?
Darwin repellent . My brother died from drug abuse . My sister in law OD'd . All NARCAN does is extend the suffering of all those around the junkie . A sharp sword is merciful .
Narcan is a potent binder of opioid receptors and out-competes the opioid drug that is on the receptors. When too much opioid is bound it leads to respiratory depression and death (your body essentially forgets to breath while you are off in la la land). In comes Narcan and pushes the drug molecules off of the receptors and very rapidly ends the scumbag's high, he takes a deep breath and wakes up fighting mad because you just killed his buzz and put him into acute opioid withdrawal. They rarely wake up and thank you.
I think that cops should have Narcan issued but only to use in extremis when an officer or child or good samaritan accidentally OD's trying to naively help a junkie trying his best to die on carfentanil.
You know If the cops would have let him refuse service and walk away, the medic would still be alive.
That win every situation attitude causes more problems than it solves.
That win every situation attitude causes more problems than it solves.
Narcan is more useless and pointless than a fucking DVD rewinder. Not to mention an absolute waste of resources and money to research, market, mass produce and distribute. All of these resources could have been better used in developing new and cutting edge cancer treatments, antibiotics and antivirals, and genetic therapies that may cure horrific hereditary disorders that doom so many innocent children to horrific deaths every year.
Who the fuck cares about some junkie dying of an overdose? I sure as fuck do not. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Who the fuck cares about some junkie dying of an overdose? I sure as fuck do not. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There were two fuck ups in this case that should have been avoided.
1. Should have thoroughly frisked his ass and tied him up before doing anything else.
2. They should have taken their merry time in frisking and restraining him. Like 20-30 minutes. Frequent pauses to take "emergency" phone calls. And when it came time to apply the Narcan, they should have just suffered from a case of severe finger cramps, causing them to "fumble and drop" the applicator every time they tried to deploy it. "But we tried our hardest, he was just too far gone..." THAT should have been the report turned in that day.
99% of society's problems can be solved with a hefty dose of pragmatism.
Have a little heart. A lot of Americans got addicted to opiates via pill-dispensing doctors, not from seeking drugs for recreation. And addiction is a hell of a thing to survive from. It is one of the hardest battles you'll ever wage because of how these drugs literally re-map your brain. The damage is done very quickly and it takes years to reverse.
Yes, this particular instance was a despicable act and maybe policies at that department should be changed to prevent something like this ever happening again. But let's not condemn all the addicts out there.
www.realclearhealth.com
www.hhs.gov
Yes, this particular instance was a despicable act and maybe policies at that department should be changed to prevent something like this ever happening again. But let's not condemn all the addicts out there.
Did Doctors Help Create the Opioid Crisis? | RealClearHealth
In 2005, the FDA approved a new treatment for pain, administered through a patch on the patients skin. The drugs approval coincided with a movement in the medical profession towards treating...
What is the U.S. Opioid Epidemic?
Opioid overdoses caused more than 42,000 deaths in 2016, more than any previous year on record. In 2017 HHS declared a public health emergency to combat the crisis.
www.hhs.gov
It was not very long ago that the generous government of ours decided that the "opioid crisis" needed to be fixed. They convened a study group and on their recommendation a large amount of money was set apart to fix the situation. Has any one checked the facts as to the increase in the death rates since the government decided to fix the problem? Of course it has grown exponentially. WHY??
It's simple $$$$$$$$$$$$$. The death rate is the grease on the tracks of the money train. Let's find out who's profiting..
It's simple $$$$$$$$$$$$$. The death rate is the grease on the tracks of the money train. Let's find out who's profiting..
This is completely off topic, but I just saw where you were from. There was a guy in my platoon from Plainfield. If memory serves, that's not too far from you. The guy was always bragging about Point Beer.
A choice is made to take drugs. The possibly outcome of that choice is well known by those who choose. Who am I to interfere with their choice. Narcan should be removed from service.
Have a little heart. A lot of Americans got addicted to opiates via pill-dispensing doctors, not from seeking drugs for recreation. And addiction is a hell of a thing to survive from. It is one of the hardest battles you'll ever wage because of how these drugs literally re-map your brain. The damage is done very quickly and it takes years to reverse.
Yes, this particular instance was a despicable act and maybe policies at that department should be changed to prevent something like this ever happening again. But let's not condemn all the addicts out there.
Did Doctors Help Create the Opioid Crisis? | RealClearHealth
In 2005, the FDA approved a new treatment for pain, administered through a patch on the patients skin. The drugs approval coincided with a movement in the medical profession towards treating...
What is the U.S. Opioid Epidemic?
Opioid overdoses caused more than 42,000 deaths in 2016, more than any previous year on record. In 2017 HHS declared a public health emergency to combat the crisis.
From my personal experience, this is a real and serious problem. I had always warned people that much of the modern medical infrastructure is not built around curing illnesses. They are more interested in targeting only the symptoms without treating the actual underlying causes, and at the same time, make a huge profit off of getting millions of patients hooked on drugs that they cannot wean themselves off of once they begin the regimens. Opioid painkillers are just one of the facets of this problem. There are plenty of other drugs like statins and prostate swelling reducers that once you go on them, you are effectively imprisoned by them.
Case in point: When my father was hospitalized in 2008 for pneumonia and a major empyema pocket in his lungs that required surgery to remove, he did not have any urinary problems prior to this hospitalization. During the course of the surgery, which they almost bungled several times, he had been given so much IV's, antibiotics, painkillers, and other assorted crap that he developed problems urinating and required a catheter for the rest of his stay. Upon his discharge, he was given a script for Tamsulosin and Proscar and told to make follow up appointments with a urologist. And just like that, he became utterly dependent on these drugs. Later on, any use of steroid based anti-COPD medication without first upping the doses of his prostate meds would cause him to be unable to urinate and require a foley again. This is how Big Pharma fucking gets you.
My mother currently suffers from high blood pressure but she has absolutely refused to take statins. We cut back on our consumption of oils and salts and stuck to fresh fish, vegetables, fruits, nuts and berries and she has been able to keep her readings well under control with just normal diuretics. In 2012, I hurt my shoulder when a forklift hit it at a slow speed. Didn't actually break anything but the area had been severely bruised and inflamed. The ER doctor at the time immediately tried to give me oxycontin. I said: "Hell no". When he looked at me in amazement, I just continued: "That is what acetaminophen and ibruprofen is for". There is no fucking way I am going to willingly put myself on the firing line knowing that the chances of being permanently hooked on shit like Oxy and Vicodin is extremely high. I took the pain without making a single complaint, mediated it's effects with OTC painkillers and was back on the job by the end of the week.
I’m curious as to why they didn’t frisk him while he was out cold. Like that whole thing is weird to me. Why wait for him to be conscious and then ask about said firearm bulge? I dunno it was a bad situation but a lot of people seemed too lax in this scenario to begin with.
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