New Burris XTR PS

[HardRockARC]

Burris dropping a new optic, XTR PS. Pretty much an XTR3/PRO with the capabilities of the Veractiy PH. Detent-less elevation turret that has a HUD inside that shows elevation, windage, temp, has a level and a timer.

It could either be really good, or really bad.

Burris XTR PS Video

Burris XTR PS Official Page

 

[db2000]

Interesting. I assume it’s unusable if the battery dies or electronics fuck up.

 

[Rob01]

19 mils per revolution? And people complained about the S&Bs. lol Will be interesting to see how all the cool features hold up.

 

[USP45]

19 mils per revolution? And people complained about the S&Bs. lol Will be interesting to see how all the cool features hold up.

Given that I had to send in a three week old Eliminator 6, which was deemed non-repairable on 11/20/24, and I still have not received the replacement as of today... you can color me skeptical.

 

[ARShooter91]

Where is it made? Same glass as a Pro?

 

[HardRockARC]

It's pretty bad ass.

It's less complicated than the Eliminator. At its core its still just a turret and reticle. Yes, it's still usable if the battery dies.

It's pretty great technology. The Veracity PH has been very successful, very durable. They are expanding their capabilities from that hunting platform to the competitive side. A countdown timer in the HUD is pretty damn slick.

Burris is pretty much leading the way on this type of tech, but you'll see more of it.

I could eliminate two accessories on my rifle if it works well. Hopefully Burris will send a sample to my office to check out.

 

[db2000]

Thanks for the info. Can you expand on how it will be used without power? I’m trying to think through the detentless turret and logistics. Thanks.

 

[ARShooter91]

I imagine it's still a mechanical adjustment just without detents. No HUD without batteries

 

[Mongo68]

Where is it getting its data? Kestrel?

 

[VandelayIndustries]

Some features look interesting but the price and weight don’t look appealing imo.

 

[USP45]

I think it is a pretty neat idea even if a bit disappointed in Burris' turn around time on my Eliminator 6. Kind of wonder if the scope linking to an external display, maybe something with a pic mount like a Crush-it timer but displaying dialed range, might be handy. Basically you could dial to a range without having to look through the scope while doing so, watch the display as you dial. Would not have to stay centered in the eyebox while dialing. Might not be necessary, but you could glace at the display to see dialed range instead of having to get on the scope. Just a thought

 

[General RE LEE]

Interesting. I assume it’s unusable if the battery dies or electronics fuck up.

I use my Veracity PH all the time like a regular turret scope. No point in wasting battery when I’m just on the range. I save the battery for hunting.

 

[General RE LEE]

FYI everything about the Veracity PH has been great except one issue.

The zero stop is a small tab on the track and a screw in the turret. Unfortunately, the metal tab is soft metal and over time, I noticed my turret was going below zero 1/2 MOA. I sent the scope back to Burris and it was repaired. Not sure what they did cause it’s now 1/4 below zero.

So with that said, there is a zero stop on the Veracity PH, but it’s mushy cause the metal tab is soft and will deform over time.

 

[Glassaholic]

Finally someone giving Revic a run for their money. Hopefully the turret knurling is toned down from previous XTR III versions. I like the idea of the HUD and may try to get my hands on one at some point as I've been eying the Revic but not particular fond of the mag range for crossover. At 35oz the 3.3-18x50 is a wee bit heavy but right at my personal limit for a crossover scope so if the glass impresses (and other XTR III glass has) and the HUD works well... could be really exciting.

 

[Glassaholic]

Detent-less elevation turret that has a HUD inside that shows elevation, windage, temp, has a level and a timer.

Tell me more about this "detentless" elevation turret, there are no clicks?

 

[HardRockARC]

Finally someone giving Revic a run for their money. Hopefully the turret knurling is toned down from previous XTR III versions. I like the idea of the HUD and may try to get my hands on one at some point as I've been eying the Revic but not particular fond of the mag range for crossover. At 35oz the 3.3-18x50 is a wee bit heavy but right at my personal limit for a crossover scope so if the glass impresses (and other XTR III glass has) and the HUD works well... could be really exciting.

Looking at the specs and pricing I would say its XTR Pro glass.

 

[Glassaholic]

Looking at the specs and pricing I would say its XTR Pro glass.

Even in the 3.3-18? My understanding is that Pro glass is a step up from III glass, but Pro has only been in 5.5-30 flavor...

 

[General RE LEE]

Tell me more about this "detentless" elevation turret, there are no clicks?

Yes no clicks.

 

[Glassaholic]

Yes no clicks.

How tight are the turrets? I assume this is done because the expectation is the click values are displayed in the HUD?

 

[USP45]

I would think they did it to kind of be like a rheostat and allow the used to fine tune the range. Say 850yds calls for 5.6mil, 860 calls for 5.7mil, but you are shooting 855yds. You would basically be able to dial 855yds which equated to 5.65mils since you effectively dial in between tenths.

Not such a big deal at shorter ranges but using my 6.5PRC load shooting 147gr ELD-M the drop from 860 to 870 is approximately 6" and that is a relatively fast/flat shooting round. Gives the ability for finer scale adjustments would be my guess.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Looking at the specs and pricing I would say its XTR Pro glass.

MSRP is same as the XTR Pro. No way it uses the same glass.

 

[Kickin45]

I really hope this works out.
I promised myself I would buy a Revic when they came out with a mil version. Then Revic 2 came out, as did the clown show of a reticle!
I’ve never looked at them since. I don’t even know if Revic still makes scopes, that’s how bad the Gen 2 ruined me.


So I really hope Burris can get everything right on this. Reticle, turrets, glass etc. I’d be very very interested in one

 

[Kickin45]

Tell me more about this "detentless" elevation turret, there are no clicks?

“With the advanced PĒK (Programmable Elevation Knob) system, experience clickless, ultra-fast adjustments and pinpoint accuracy with 1/30 MIL precision—outperforming conventional optics.”

26mils of elevation. 19 per rotation

My guess would be that the elevation turret feels much like a parallax knob?

 

[db2000]

I would think they did it to kind of be like a rheostat and allow the used to fine tune the range. Say 850yds calls for 5.6mil, 860 calls for 5.7mil, but you are shooting 855yds. You would basically be able to dial 855yds which equated to 5.65mils since you effectively dial in between tenths.

Not such a big deal at shorter ranges but using my 6.5PRC load shooting 147gr ELD-M the drop from 860 to 870 is approximately 6" and that is a relatively fast/flat shooting round. Gives the ability for finer scale adjustments would be my guess.

That’s exactly why.

 

[General RE LEE]

How tight are the turrets? I assume this is done because the expectation is the click values are displayed in the HUD?

Turret is smooth with enough tension it would take a lot of effort to accidentally spin it.

Turret markings are typical 1/4 MOA so when I use it at range, I dial it to the 1/4 MOA like any other MOA turret. Only when powered on and viewing yardage display in the HUD will you get the 1/10 MOA accuracy.

Here’s some of the scope views of the Veracity PH.

 

[ToddM]

Seems unlikely it is going to be the same optically as the XTR Pro when it shares the same MSRP, but you never know they might discount the XTR Pros down more I suppose. That said I do like the concept of the PH system, especially more than say Sig's Sierra BDX scopes. However, two bad experiences with Burris in the last couple years doesn't really inspire giving them more $

 

[bobby1028]

“With the advanced PĒK (Programmable Elevation Knob) system, experience clickless, ultra-fast adjustments and pinpoint accuracy with 1/30 MIL precision—outperforming conventional optics.”

26mils of elevation. 19 per rotation

My guess would be that the elevation turret feels much like a parallax knob?

If it feels like the parallax knob it's a monumental fail...my XTR Pro and every other I've felt needs a pair of vise grip pliers to adjust it while on the clock...otherwise no complaints.

 

[ARShooter91]

Any hands on one of these yet? Seeing them in stock several places now.

 

[koshkin]

I have one and started testing it.

ILya

 

[ARShooter91]

I have one and started testing it.

ILya

How is the glass? Comparable to the XTR3 and or Pro?

Both the glass in my 5-30xtr and Pro are great and not far apart at least for my eyes.

 

[koshkin]

How is the glass? Comparable to the XTR3 and or Pro?

Both the glass in my 5-30xtr and Pro are great and not far apart at least for my eyes.

I think it more or less the same optical system as XTR3i, except with a HUD.

ILya

 

[ARShooter91]

Midway has the 5-30 in stock and 10% off. Tempting but I never pay anywhere near retail for optics

 

[HardRockARC]

I think it more or less the same optical system as XTR3i, except with a HUD.

ILya

Which makes sense at the price point they put it at.

 

[ARShooter91]

Any more time behind it?

 

[ARShooter91]

I got one.

RTZ good with limited use. Tracts true to 5 and 10mil. Glass is very close to the XTR3 but not there with the Pro. You can see the difference in mirage or poor light but not much.

 

[DAVID A BUREAU]

Any more updates on this?

 

[PhrogDriver]

Any more updates on this?

Video came out yesterday.

 

[taseal]

I don’t understand the purpose of this so much. You gotta lase your target to get a distance. You’re gonna get a solution. If it says turn to U5.3 clicks vs turn to 743 yards, what difference does it make? Is this for people without a ballistic solver LRF and known distances?

At this price point if I’m going to get something like this, I might as well get a LRF version (eliminator 6) instead.

 

[ARShooter91]

You can have the HUD read out in yds. So lase the target 743yds, dial the turret to 743yds while looking through the scope. Your head doesn't need to move. You can do it all in position if you have a wmlrf.

 

[ToddM]

I could see where it would be nicer to dial corrections while looking through the optic than trying to dial based on the elevation knob. It also means that say a throw lever, mount etc. obstructing your view of windage/elevation is no longer an issue.

Especially for those of us who are old and our far vision is still great, but near vision has gone to shit, because swapping to reading glasses to make elevation adjustments is horrible, and the magnifying elevation devices I've seen have all been fragile. I have no problem seeing a reticle but seeing numbers on some elevation dials is almost impossible.

I will say I think the weakness of the PS is that there's no direct connection to a range finder, for hunting. That's where something like the Eliminator 6 or Sig BDX has an advantage. The advantage to the PS, is you can still dial it like a regular scope, and use the reticle for holdovers. You can't do that with the Eliminator 6 or Sig Sierra 6 BDX because their reticles are not marked, you can do it with the Sig Easy 6 BDX, but it's still SFP so your reticle is only accurate at one magnification.

The Eliminator 6 seems more geared to hunting and more similar to the Sig Line (minus the rangefinder). I've ran a couple of the Sig's on hunting rifles and they are okay, glass quality is abysmal for the price point, you give up a ton of optical quality for the electronics in it. Its optical quality is about the same as a $300 optic, but it's handy to range a target and just have the optic illuminate a solution. The other issue with the Sig is the reticle is very thick because it has to work with the illumination points. Can't say for an eliminator 6 but I'd assume it's similar. Meanwhile the PS has a normal reticle because it's not having to illuminate dozens of points on it.

 

[ARShooter91]

The Burris PS isn't the end all of optics, but it's working towards the future or where they're headed.

1) I like that it will work just fine as a mechanical optic. I'm not interested in something that must have a battery to dial.

2) Glass is very usable, in line with the 5-30 XTR3.

3) Weight is good at 37oz for what all it offers.

1) Don't like that you must use the app to set up and update ballistics.

2) zero stop on mine stops minus .1 with no way to adjust.

3) If you're too close in-between say 2.33 and 2.36mil it will flicker back and forth between them which is annoying. It's caught my eye a few times when I'm not looking for it.

In the end I believe it's step in optic evolution. This and the Eliminator 6 having a baby would be ideal. The ability to get atmospherics, range, and auto adjust all in one.

Just like the phone I type this on at one time was reserved for a building and or large vehicle the ranging and sighing systems used in land, air, and sea vehicles will eventually fit in a small optic.(and actually work well)

 

[taseal]

You can have the HUD read out in yds. So lase the target 743yds, dial the turret to 743yds while looking through the scope. Your head doesn't need to move. You can do it all in position if you have a wmlrf.

I still don’t get it. You lase with wmlrf and it says 743 yards and 5.1 up.

You just dial to 5.1 and look through scope.

Vs wmlrf says 743 and you look through scope and dial 743.

You’re lifting your head regardless to read the distance or solution.

Only way it’d make sense is if it was like the eliminator 6 with a built in lrf so you never lift your head.

 

[taseal]

I could see where it would be nicer to dial corrections while looking through the optic than trying to dial based on the elevation knob. It also means that say a throw lever, mount etc. obstructing your view of windage/elevation is no longer an issue.

Especially for those of us who are old and our far vision is still great, but near vision has gone to shit, because swapping to reading glasses to make elevation adjustments is horrible, and the magnifying elevation devices I've seen have all been fragile. I have no problem seeing a reticle but seeing numbers on some elevation dials is almost impossible.

I will say I think the weakness of the PS is that there's no direct connection to a range finder, for hunting. That's where something like the Eliminator 6 or Sig BDX has an advantage. The advantage to the PS, is you can still dial it like a regular scope, and use the reticle for holdovers. You can't do that with the Eliminator 6 or Sig Sierra 6 BDX because their reticles are not marked, you can do it with the Sig Easy 6 BDX, but it's still SFP so your reticle is only accurate at one magnification.

The Eliminator 6 seems more geared to hunting and more similar to the Sig Line (minus the rangefinder). I've ran a couple of the Sig's on hunting rifles and they are okay, glass quality is abysmal for the price point, you give up a ton of optical quality for the electronics in it. Its optical quality is about the same as a $300 optic, but it's handy to range a target and just have the optic illuminate a solution. The other issue with the Sig is the reticle is very thick because it has to work with the illumination points. Can't say for an eliminator 6 but I'd assume it's similar. Meanwhile the PS has a normal reticle because it's not having to illuminate dozens of points on it.

From what I heard the eliminator 6 is no vortex razor or a 2-3k optic glass but it is ED glass and is pretty impressive (review is from here). Yes if battery is dead or you can’t get a solution (say poor weather for lrf) you can’t get a dope. The Eliminator 6 is a sfp but it’s kind of a hybrid. The elevation impact point changes the hold based on Magnification so even though reticle stays the same, the impact changes.

My only worry with it is if you can’t get solution, you can’t really shoot it.

 

[taseal]

The Burris PS isn't the end all of optics, but it's working towards the future or where they're headed.

1) I like that it will work just fine as a mechanical optic. I'm not interested in something that must have a battery to dial.

2) Glass is very usable, in line with the 5-30 XTR3.

3) Weight is good at 37oz for what all it offers.

1) Don't like that you must use the app to set up and update ballistics.

2) zero stop on mine stops minus .1 with no way to adjust.

3) If you're too close in-between say 2.33 and 2.36mil it will flicker back and forth between them which is annoying. It's caught my eye a few times when I'm not looking for it.

In the end I believe it's step in optic evolution. This and the Eliminator 6 having a baby would be ideal. The ability to get atmospherics, range, and auto adjust all in one.

Just like the phone I type this on at one time was reserved for a building and or large vehicle the ranging and sighing systems used in land, air, and sea vehicles will eventually fit in a small optic.(and actually work well)

I agree that Eliminator 7 or PS Gen 2 will be a baby of the two. I think for hunting eliminator will keep its style but the next gen PS will borrow the lrf from eliminator series and make an all in one adjustable prs/nrl scope. From there I think the tech will just need to improve the glass. Size and loons wise they figured it out. Maybe adjustable wind like the pz elevation turret will be cool too

 

[SalomonQST99]

Here's another. While they are looking more at the Tikka rifle, they cover the Burris PS too. TikkaAndPS

 

[ARShooter91]

I agree that Eliminator 7 or PS Gen 2 will be a baby of the two. I think for hunting eliminator will keep its style but the next gen PS will borrow the lrf from eliminator series and make an all in one adjustable prs/nrl scope. From there I think the tech will just need to improve the glass. Size and loons wise they figured it out. Maybe adjustable wind like the pz elevation turret will be cool too

Yeah I see what you're saying. I will say looking at the turret and seeing the number ahead on the drum coming around is faster to hit than watching the numbers change quick in the HUD. At least is for me right now.

The HUD is nice for night shooting. Can dial in the dark and not that turret clicks are overly loud but the PS is completely silent.

 

[taseal]

Yeah I see what you're saying. I will say looking at the turret and seeing the number ahead on the drum coming around is faster to hit than watching the numbers change quick in the HUD. At least is for me right now.

The HUD is nice for night shooting. Can dial in the dark and not that turret clicks are overly loud but the PS is completely silent.

I just hope they add a lrf and weather in the next one. Now we’re talking.

I’ll adjust manually if I have to. I don’t need the drop. Just give me the reading on the hud so I never have to lift my head!

 

[ARShooter91]

It's getting there. It seems the first do it all units are probably going to compromise on all to be the jack of all trades. Perhaps issues with them all working together. Kestrel is bullet proof, simple ranging binos or handheld just works, and a lot of good solid scope choices now a days. Combining them is the goal at the cost of simplicity and some redundancy.

The Burris ballistics is a couple tenths off at 1007yds from my kestrel which was dead on today. 6creed speed helps offset that. Was good enough for the 10" target at even 834yds and the 16" at 1k but hit under the 10" going with the Burris ballistics.

 

[taseal]

It's getting there. It seems the first do it all units are probably going to compromise on all to be the jack of all trades. Perhaps issues with them all working together. Kestrel is bullet proof, simple ranging binos or handheld just works, and a lot of good solid scope choices now a days. Combining them is the goal at the cost of simplicity and some redundancy. View attachment 8694771

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The Burris ballistics is a couple tenths off at 1007yds from my kestrel which was dead on today. 6creed speed helps offset that. Was good enough for the 10" target at even 834yds and the 16" at 1k but hit under the 10" going with the Burris ballistics.

That’s awesome man. Question though…

how’s the glass on it?

I’m still stuck on the eliminator 6, knowing it’s neither mil or moa on the tree and I can’t use my AB Quantum anymore.

 

[ARShooter91]

That’s awesome man. Question though…

how’s the glass on it?

I’m still stuck on the eliminator 6, knowing it’s neither mil or moa on the tree and I can’t use my AB Quantum anymore.

It's comparable to the XTR3 but not up there with the Pro. Better than the non razor vortex, the Bushnell gen 2 and 3, and all these Chinese optics like the Arken by a long shot.

My XTR Pro is at least equal to the Nightforce ATACR I'm borrowing. Glass wise the Pro is a little better in mirage and low light. Turrets are better on the atacr. ZCO and Tangent have an obvious advantage in heavy mirage to both of the above.

The E6 is cool but most hunters don't need that, especially in Ohio. Deer usually 100 and in, Coyotes 300 and in for the most part.