Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56
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If you watch his video I think they also upgraded the regular DT turret feel.
hmm. I may have to make a regrettable purchase decision in the future
Maybe redemption for my fake news post? Let’s wait to hear from a verifiable source but this is encouraging
hopefully they hit US customer hands soon and people can confirm. The guy i posted has it on his TRG-22A1/M10/whatever in Australia.
I looked through the "new" 5-25 at a recent expo in Austria and it still tunnels. Maybe it was just the one but that is also what the rep told me: old optical system new magnification ring and turrets. But price wise it is so closely priced to the 6-36 that buying the 5-25 hardly makes sense. (at least in Europe)
Glass impressions so far?
First impressions....very good.....
LOVE.....the P5FL Reticle.....simple,clean,functional!!
LOVE.....the P5FL Reticle.....simple,clean,functional!!
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Turrets feel great , very defined, firm , precise clicks..
Build quality looks fantastic!!
I will say i do prefer the "Old" larger diameter Focus/Parallax dial. The NEW is smaller with machined raised sections, very firm , but still nice and smooth......
Glass.....first very quick impressions are very good.......nice neutral colour , VERY clear right to the edges ( not like the dreadful 3-27 HP i have!! ) .
Clarity/Resolution looks great..... So fay VERY impressed with the transition from around 30x all the way to max 36x ...a couple of "other" higher power scopes i have/had ( 8-40, 7-35) tend to get a little "murky" and soft in these ranges.....the S&B is still very good!!
Not for everyone...but i LOVE the MT .5cm Turrets!! 39.5 Mil travel.
My 2nd sample arrives tomorrow ( same specs as this one) , so will be interesting to see if they are optically "the same" ( hope so!!!)
P5FL Reticle..... love it....simple , purposeful.. I have been all over the place with reticles over the past months....Its actually good to come back to a simple but functional reticle..
Next step ...mount them on the Desert Tech SRS and HTI and into it!!!
Man the P5FL was ALMOST perfect. If they shrunk that center dot down.
Agree.....instead of .5cm .35cm would of been nice!!
Oh well....still really liking it though..
yeah the through images look really nice. I'm one of the guys who prefers neutral tints. What i see with my eyes is exactly what im seeing through the PMIIAgree.....instead of .5cm .35cm would of been nice!!
Oh well....still really liking it though..
Yes, the 6-36 is VERY neutral/natural.... some may find it "Bland" or dull compared to say a Ziess or Lieca which have very warm , contrasty images.
Me... i like it..
Sharpness is better than i anticipated...many said it would be just the same as the previous PMII,s at this point i perceive it to be better......it is certainly MUCH MUCH better than the 3-27 High Power which i think is one of S&B,s worst scopes optically!!...
Me... i like it..
Sharpness is better than i anticipated...many said it would be just the same as the previous PMII,s at this point i perceive it to be better......it is certainly MUCH MUCH better than the 3-27 High Power which i think is one of S&B,s worst scopes optically!!...
Yes, the 6-36 is VERY neutral/natural.... some may find it "Bland" or dull compared to say a Ziess or Lieca which have very warm , contrasty images.
Me... i like it..
Sharpness is better than i anticipated...many said it would be just the same as the previous PMII,s at this point i perceive it to be better......it is certainly MUCH MUCH better than the 3-27 High Power which i think is one of S&B,s worst scopes optically!!...
Sounds Tangentyyyy
Tangential? I suspect Tangents will be in hand stateside before these, despite being announced at SHOT a year later.
I actually like larger center dots to help my brain reference exact center real quick, center dot is only used for load dev (LD) anyway, after that I'm holding wind so rarely use the center dot at distance. If you dial wind then it may pose more of an issue. When I had my Gen3 XR and MPCT2 I found that with LD I was actually more "steady" with the larger Gen3 XR dot than I was with the tiny MPCT2 dot because I found the ZCO dot would get lost quite a bit even on a 100 yard target with black POA dot, I actually switched my LD targets out from black dots to red dots in hopes of being able to see that tiny center dot of the MPCT reticle but it would still get lost (aging eyes suck!!!). Tried illumination and it helped but not as much as the Gen3 XR for me. Funny, almost a decade ago I had the Kahles SKMR reticle when it first came out and loved that tiny dot back when my eyes were better, but now... not so much.
My eyes prefer neutral to warm, but anything with blue drives me nuts. For me, Schmidt has always been pretty neutral and along with the resolution and contrast provided that "pop" that had it stand out from most others.
Encouraging to say the least.Me... i like it..
Also very encouraging
I'm actually glad you mentioned this, I bought the 3-27 HP last year and reviewed it with a bunch of Alpha glass (TT, ZCO, etc.) and found the very same, it was the worst experience I'd ever had from behind a Schmidt. If it was the only scope I could own I'd be very happy, but trying to do "too much" with a scope sometimes introduces compromises in the optical performance and the 3-27 suffers big time from that, but if I needed a scope that could be used in front of a thermal and also be useful for high mags, it is a compelling offering; however, I found that with my March 4.5-28x52, even though it is 4.5x at the bottom, the FOV is so wide that I didn't feal hindered by it when using with a thermal and I would choose the 4.5-28 over the 3-27 for a number of reasons.
I think the Gen 3 XR Fine dot size is a good compromise between ultra-small and huge.
The LRR-Mil was a no-go for me because the dot size cannot be seen at all
I'm actually really digging the lrr reticle. If SB would have kept all the main stadia .2 and .1 holds that would have made the pf5 way better imo as it is msr2 would still be my pref.
I'm going to run the lrr in the NF elr match this summer I'm digging it that much
I'm going to run the lrr in the NF elr match this summer I'm digging it that much
.5? That’s coarse.Turrets feel great , very defined, firm , precise clicks..
Build quality looks fantastic!!
I will say i do prefer the "Old" larger diameter Focus/Parallax dial. The NEW is smaller with machined raised sections, very firm , but still nice and smooth......
Glass.....first very quick impressions are very good.......nice neutral colour , VERY clear right to the edges ( not like the dreadful 3-27 HP i have!! ) .
Clarity/Resolution looks great..... So fay VERY impressed with the transition from around 30x all the way to max 36x ...a couple of "other" higher power scopes i have/had ( 8-40, 7-35) tend to get a little "murky" and soft in these ranges.....the S&B is still very good!!
Not for everyone...but i LOVE the MT .5cm Turrets!! 39.5 Mil travel.
My 2nd sample arrives tomorrow ( same specs as this one) , so will be interesting to see if they are optically "the same" ( hope so!!!)
P5FL Reticle..... love it....simple , purposeful.. I have been all over the place with reticles over the past months....Its actually good to come back to a simple but functional reticle..
Next step ...mount them on the Desert Tech SRS and HTI and into it!!!
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I do believe the good man means 0.05mil for every click, as of course most mrad scopes are a click every 0.1mil.
Yep...
Riflescopes – Turret Configurations – PM II and Competition
www.schmidtundbender.de edit: above I wasn’t thinking straight about the metric system when I was absentmindedly figuring out s&b terminology. One physical click does equal 0.5cm at 100m, so all it good and true as marked at the turret’s top. Dumb, but true.
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I think, 1 Click, means .5cm@100m, which a stupid fucking way to say it.
It seems the real benefit on half-click turrets is maybe getting a better zero.
Anyone care to comment re: normal field use ... is there real world benefit ?
Anyone care to comment re: normal field use ... is there real world benefit ?
Ha.....just noticed consecutive serial numbers...
My prob with it isn’t the 0.05mil clicks, it’s the way it’s denoted on the turret. I would totally and continually get confused due to the lack of the decimal missing.
Exactly. Instead of just saying, .05Mil per click, they say .5cm@100M per click, but leave out the 100m part, which is stupid and keeps people thinking in linear values when making angular adjustments.
I would consider .05 cm/mil as very fine
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